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Sli Gtx 580 / 690 / Titan , need advices

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March 1, 2013 1:05:49 AM

HI guys how are you?

First of all sorry for my poor english

I have 2 GTX 580 SLI here and i`m thinking to sell it to buy or one GTX 690 or a GTX Titan when it releases in Brazil

So i have some questions:

Will i see too much performance improvement with 690 or Titan over my 580 SLI rig? I need to say that i use a 2560x1440 resolution

And if yes should i get the Titan or 690?

Thanks guys :hello: 
March 1, 2013 1:38:17 AM

First off, are you having issues with your sli'ed 580's? Do you have money you just want to spend? Do you just like to have the best on the block? If the answer is yes to any of the above..then yes, get the 690 or titan or two. They are both excellent cards but are not cost effective for performance.
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March 1, 2013 1:40:12 AM

The only real benefit that I see on your proposed upgrade would be power consumption and maybe some micro-stuttering improvement.

From a performance standpoint, I personally do not think the improvement you would get from a 690/Titan would payback. I believe we are talking on a ballpark 15-20% improvement in your current framerates and over roughly +500$ investment on top of the sell price you would get from your 580s. Too much money, not so much improvement... But again, that is my personal opinion and it is your money & standards... Now, if you are seeking to reduce your power draw, it is a completely different story.

In addition, you should take a look on what processor you are running this setup. Maybe this would be a better route to squeeze some more frames at a more reasonable investment.

I have a GTX 580 and I thought Titan would be a good reason for me to upgrade, but after seeing the reviews and the cost, I am going to wait for a GTX 7xx to make a move.
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March 1, 2013 1:41:38 AM

GTX 690 and Titans definitely perform better. Especially for high res gaming where you need more Video Memory Frame Buffer to drive a large monitor.

As to decide whether 690 or Titan is better? It's tricky as the 690 has some trade-offs compared to the Titan even though it's better performance.

GTX 690:
Better Performance compared single CARD to Single CARD but only room for 1 more which loses out to 3 Way Titans.

GTX Titan:
A Lot more power saving. But expensive in terms of Cost / GPU ratio. 6GB Frame buffer is great for driving 2560 x 1440.
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March 1, 2013 1:42:42 AM

vmardegan said:
The only real benefit that I see on your proposed upgrade would be power consumption and maybe some micro-stuttering improvement.

From a performance standpoint, I personally do not think the improvement you would get from a 690/Titan would payback. I believe we are talking on a ballpark 15-20% improvement in your current framerates and over roughly +500$ investment on top of the sell price you would get from your 580s. Too much money, not so much improvement... But again, that is my personal opinion and it is your money & standards... Now, if you are seeking to reduce your power draw, it is a completely different story.

In addition, you should take a look on what processor you are running this setup. Maybe this would be a better route to squeeze some more frames at a more reasonable investment.

I have a GTX 580 and I thought Titan would be a good reason for me to upgrade, but after seeing the reviews and the cost, I am going to wait for a GTX 7xx to make a move.


I have a 3770k @ 4.5 here

The problem is my resolution, 2560X1440 is becoming heavy for my 580Sli rig

That's why i'm considering a new VGA, wich one will do better with this high resolution?

Thanks again
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March 1, 2013 1:45:04 AM

UltimateDeep said:
GTX 690 and Titans definitely perform better. Especially for high res gaming where you need more Video Memory Frame Buffer to drive a large monitor.

As to decide whether 690 or Titan is better? It's tricky as the 690 has some trade-offs compared to the Titan even though it's better performance.

GTX 690:
Better Performance compared single CARD to Single CARD but only room for 1 more which loses out to 3 Way Titans.

GTX Titan:
A Lot more power saving. But expensive in terms of Cost / GPU ratio. 6GB Frame buffer is great for driving 2560 x 1440.


Here in Brazil the 690 and Titan costs too much, so for now, and probably a long time i'll only pick one

So with this high resolution and considering i'll just take one VGA, should i go with Titan or 690?

Thanks again
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March 1, 2013 1:45:34 AM

wsarahan said:
I have a 3770k @ 4.5 here

The problem is my resolution, 2560X1440 is becoming heavy for my 580Sli rig

That's why i'm considering a new VGA, wich one will do better with this high resolution?

Thanks again



what do you mean very heavy? FSP is bad..in what game?
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March 1, 2013 1:48:33 AM

larrym said:
what do you mean very heavy? FSP is bad..in what game?



Yes, fps is becoming a problem with such high resolution and my 580 Sli, new games such as FC3 AC3.... I can't get 60 FPS fixed with vsync on at 2560x1440
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March 1, 2013 1:50:58 AM

Well, based on your processor and currect OC I think the best way to improve your framerates is by upgrading the video card.

If you really can not live with your current framerates and it fits your pockets, go for the upgrade. Otherwise just drop some detail settings in your game and be happy with it until a new gen of video cards comes out.

Now, if I had to choose between 690 or Titan, I probably would go for the Titan just because I had some bad experiences in the past with SLI micro stuttering, even though the 690 seems to be a little faster in some games.
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March 1, 2013 1:51:13 AM

If I had money to burn, and was at that resolution..your only real choice is the titan. Almost the same as the 690 with no microstudder. And, you can add another with your bankroll.
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March 1, 2013 1:53:58 AM

larrym said:
If I had money to burn, and was at that resolution..your only real choice is the titan. Almost the same as the 690 with no microstudder. And, you can add another with your bankroll.



I'm saving a money for it dor some time

So do you think i'll bet too much improvment over my 580 Sli?

The 6gb of memory worth the fps's that i'll loose comparing to 690?

Thanks again
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March 1, 2013 1:58:13 AM

wsarahan said:
I'm saving a money for it dor some time

So do you think i'll bet too much improvment over my 580 Sli?

The 6gb of memory worth the fps's that i'll loose comparing to 690?

Thanks again


To be straight forward with you, I would not touch your setup yet. It's pretty good..great even. Wait awhile and save some money. Yes it would be awesome to have a titan and 690 or two..but it is still awesome to have 580's sli'ed. But if you are not happy, by all means..get them..I really don't think you will see much real life improvement though.
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March 1, 2013 2:02:45 AM

larrym said:
To be straight forward with you, I would not touch your setup yet. It's pretty good..great even. Wait awhile and save some money. Yes it would be awesome to have a titan and 690 or two..but it is still awesome to have 580's sli'ed. But if you are not happy, by all means..get them..I really don't think you will see much real life improvement though.


Thanks for the advice, i'll think better before buy so

But answer meine thing, i'm looking at reviews and i can see that 690 goes better with 2560x1440 even with less ram 6gb for titan and 4gb for 690

And the mostnpeople here adviced that if i change the setup i should get a single Titan even with this high resolution, it is confusing me a little :) 

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March 1, 2013 2:09:00 AM

well, a single titan only has one gpu...a 690 is like two 680's in sli..so there is less driver problems..less micro studder..etc.. one high card is usually a better solution than two lower cards..that is why they are saying the titan is better.. you can add another titan and have less issues(maybe) than two 690's.
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March 1, 2013 2:11:20 AM

larrym said:
well, a single titan only has one gpu...a 690 is like two 680's in sli..so there is less driver problems..less micro studder..etc.. one high card is usually a better solution than two lower cards..that is why they are saying the titan is better.. you can add another titan and have less issues(maybe) than two 690's.


Thanks

So even with the fps difference at this high resolution a Titan should be the better choice right?

Thaks
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March 1, 2013 2:16:15 AM

1 titan over two 580's if that is what your asking?..I think most would say yes if they didn't have to buy it...but I also think, if they already had two 580's would they buy a titan..probably not..but they would want too. One card is better than two if they give about the same performance..for many reasons..it looks like you have your heart set on getting a titan..if you can afford it..get it..and you will make some money back on selling your 580's.
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March 1, 2013 2:19:46 AM

larrym said:
1 titan over two 580's if that is what your asking?..I think most would say yes if they didn't have to buy it...but I also think, if they already had two 580's would they buy a titan..probably not..but they would want too. One card is better than two if they give about the same performance..for many reasons..it looks like you have your heart set on getting a titan..if you can afford it..get it..and you will make some money back on selling your 580's.


A friend of mine will pick at least one pf my 580 :) 

But i did not find a review talking about a Titan vs 580 Sli, there will be a lot of difference inperformance at 2560x1440p?

Thanks again
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March 1, 2013 2:23:30 AM

Well, I doubt you will find a review yet. But, a titan is real close to a 690, and a 690 is basically 680's in SLI. So find reviews of 680's vs 580's and that would be like titan vs 580's minus some sli problems.
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March 1, 2013 2:23:48 AM

larrym said:
1 titan over two 580's if that is what your asking?..I think most would say yes if they didn't have to buy it...but I also think, if they already had two 580's would they buy a titan..probably not..but they would want too. One card is better than two if they give about the same performance..for many reasons..it looks like you have your heart set on getting a titan..if you can afford it..get it..and you will make some money back on selling your 580's.


I' wondering to et the Titan over the 690 because the fps difference but like you said before one is better than 2, a lot of people talk about gpu scaling is way better when you use SLI and such high resolutions like the one i have here, this is true or not?

Sorry for so many wuestions, just asking because i really want to make the right choice and you guys are so smart and pros with this stuff

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March 1, 2013 2:32:35 AM

If it was me, I would get the Titan over the 690. They are so close in performance and price you really wont see a difference. But, you can add another titan later if you want with (argumently) less issues. You are at such high resolutions and price, they both will look and perform great. I dont have two or even one 690 or titan. So I can't say for sure..but I would have to guess (from reviews), you would be happy with either.
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March 1, 2013 2:33:50 AM

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March 1, 2013 2:49:16 AM

Tom's tests and more show that the 690 is by far faster than Titan. IDK where you're getting this idea that they're anywhere near each other. Titan's only advantage is when you want the best of the best and throw in two or three Titans. Titan wouldn't even be much of an upgrade at all over OP's current GTX 580 SLI, granted it would greatly lower power consumption. The 690 would be a better upgrade if you're looking to spend just $1000.
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March 1, 2013 2:53:08 AM

blazorthon said:
Tom's tests and more show that the 690 is by far faster than Titan. IDK where you're getting this idea that they're anywhere near each other. Titan's only advantage is when you want the best of the best and throw in two or three Titans. Titan wouldn't even be much of an upgrade at all over OP's current GTX 580 SLI, granted it would greatly lower power consumption. The 690 would be a good upgrade over two 580s while also reducing power consumption.


Confused again :) 

I don't have money to buy 2 Titans, or i get one Titan or one 690, here is almost the same price, remember that i'll use with such high resolution

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March 1, 2013 2:57:00 AM

The GTX 690 will beat Titan greatly in almost every gaming situation at 2560x1440. I know that they have similar prices, but really, Titan is simply not worth getting unless you get more than one because it's price is ridiculously high for how it performs in a single GPU solution. Heck, even two Titans can be argued against with three 670s just fine since the 670s would be cheaper and still generally win, making Titan only really considerable if you get three or four of them for a truly best of the best system. At that point it's less of a gaming machine and more of a record breaking benchmark system anyway.
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March 1, 2013 2:59:22 AM

blazorthon said:
The GTX 690 will beat Titan greatly in almost every gaming situation at 2560x1440. I know that they have similar prices, but really, Titan is simply not worth getting unless you get more than one because it's price is ridiculously high for how it performs in a single GPU solution. Heck, even two Titans can be argued against with three 670s just fine since the 670s would be cheaper and still generally win, making Titan only really considerable if you get three or four of them for a truly best of the best system. At that point it's less of a gaming machine and more of a record breaking benchmark system anyway.


And the problems that people are saying with Sli like micro.....

And just to know, a 1200w gold psu can handle the 690 or the itan and a 3770k @4.5 ?
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March 1, 2013 3:06:23 AM

wsarahan said:
And the problems that people are saying with Sli like micro.....

And just to know, a 1200w gold psu can handle the 690 or the itan and a 3770k @4.5 ?


Micro-Stutter is a rare issue for modern top-end multi-GPU solutions with current drivers. You say that you have two GTX 580s. Do they seem bad about stutter to you? They aren't nearly as good about stutter as a 690 would be and I bet even they aren't bad about it ;) 

A decent 600W can handle the 690 and even a decent 550W can handle Titan. There's no need for such a ridiculously large PSU. In fact, it could be dangerous to have such an overkill PSU with this system. Constantly far underusing a PSU is almost as bad as overusing it.
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March 13, 2013 4:28:45 AM

The GTX 690 is not just marginally faster than the Titan, the Titan is faster than a GTX 680 by a good bit but the only solution faster than the GTX 690 is SLI 680's. The increase in performance over the GTX 680 and the additional VRAM do not warrant the $1000.00 price tag.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6774/nvidias-geforce-gtx-...
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