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First rig, First GPU looking for some guidance please

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March 11, 2013 12:42:17 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: By the end of this week. Saturday to be exact

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:Gaming in order of WoW, SC2, Diablo 3, Skyrim, ME3, Dragon age, League of legends and GW2 would like to play these games on high setting as I am tired of dropping everything to low on my laptop in order to raid/play and even then my fps sucks on my laptop.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY:This is my first build I dont have a gpu yet my psu is Corsair TX850

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:p rocessor-i5 3570k, Motherboard-Asus Sabertooth z77, Hyper 212evo cooler, PSU-Corsair TX850, SSD-Crucial 256gb, HDD- Seagate 2tb, Ram-16gb Corsair vENGEANCE, case-cm storm stryker,

OVERCLOCKING:Yes / No / MaybeSLI OR CROSSFIRE:Yes / No / Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION:27 inch Acer monitor 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Kind of new to this not sure if I need dual or single card. As i stated I just want to play my games on high settings. I dont play First peron shooters much maybe once in a while. My budget is about i say 600 (for dual or single) max. if i need to go higher then please let me know I have no problem saving to get a one that will last me for a while. TY

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March 11, 2013 1:04:18 AM

Dragoras said:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: By the end of this week. Saturday to be exact

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:Gaming in order of WoW, SC2, Diablo 3, Skyrim, ME3, Dragon age, League of legends and GW2 would like to play these games on high setting as I am tired of dropping everything to low on my laptop in order to raid/play and even then my fps sucks on my laptop.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY:This is my first build I dont have a gpu yet my psu is Corsair TX850

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:p rocessor-i5 3570k, Motherboard-Asus Sabertooth z77, Hyper 212evo cooler, PSU-Corsair TX850, SSD-Crucial 256gb, HDD- Seagate 2tb, Ram-16gb Corsair vENGEANCE, case-cm storm stryker,

OVERCLOCKING:Yes / No / MaybeSLI OR CROSSFIRE:Yes / No / Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION:27 inch Acer monitor 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Kind of new to this not sure if I need dual or single card. As i stated I just want to play my games on high settings. I dont play First peron shooters much maybe once in a while. My budget is about i say 600 (for dual or single) max. if i need to go higher then please let me know I have no problem saving to get a one that will last me for a while. TY

If those are the only games you're going to be playing then the most graphically demanding game is going to be Skyrim and you do not need a GTX 680 or Radeon HD 7970 to max out skyrim; the only exception being if you plan on using mods that are graphically intensive in which case you should go the route of an HD 7970.

All things considered, you could easily get away with using a single Radeon 7870 2GB model and if you went that route you'd be able to get a second one to crossfire in the future if you get into more graphically intensive games.
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March 11, 2013 1:04:19 AM

th3_ory said:
You got two choices GTX 680 or the ASUS 7970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG_RTBPoKgY

(Make sure its the asus 7970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKEzzN89QU)

Both around 600$


$600?

Assuming you're talking USD, last I checked the only $600 7970 is the 6GB Sapphire (which is complete overkill for a single monitor config).

Anywho, those games don't warrant top-of-the-line cards. Just because the OP has a budget that big, doesn't mean they should max it out for a GPU they don't need. (even if they did need them, recommending the most expensive versions of these cards off the bat is a bit naive.)
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March 11, 2013 1:41:13 AM

xomm said:
$600?

Assuming you're talking USD, last I checked the only $600 7970 is the 6GB Sapphire (which is complete overkill for a single monitor config).

Anywho, those games don't warrant top-of-the-line cards. Just because the OP has a budget that big, doesn't mean they should max it out for a GPU they don't need. (even if they did need them, recommending the most expensive versions of these cards off the bat is a bit naive.)

Agreed, and if you're paying $600 for a Radeon 7970 you're overpaying by at least $200. No 7970 should cost a person more than $420 maximum.
March 11, 2013 1:50:19 AM

So the the 680 is overkill for single monitor max settings on these games I assume than running dual cards would be pointless unless im using 3 sxreens or something right
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March 11, 2013 1:58:39 AM

yep or you decide to get a higher resolution monitor. which is coming soon for many I suspect.
March 11, 2013 2:05:09 AM

so which single gpu should i get for now
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March 11, 2013 2:06:13 AM

Dragoras said:
So the the 680 is overkill for single monitor max settings on these games I assume than running dual cards would be pointless unless im using 3 sxreens or something right

You've pretty much got it right. The only thing I'd add to that statement is that depending on what game you're playing the Radeon HD 7970 GHz Edition is faster in addition to being better at GPGPU in every aspect than the GTX 680.
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March 11, 2013 2:07:16 AM

Dragoras said:
so which single gpu should i get for now

If I was in your place, I'd personally get the Radeon 7970 to future-proof my system but man honestly if you want to spend less you'd be fine with a Radeon 7870.
a b U Graphics card
March 11, 2013 2:11:01 AM

I always call out MSI GTX 680 Lightning, it's the superior card by design. If you want to save some money you can always get Asus GTX 670 DCUII. There are many other cards that will be very good as you're about to find out. Brace yourself.
March 11, 2013 2:20:45 AM

hizodge said:
I always call out MSI GTX 680 Lightning, it's the superior card by design. If you want to save some money you can always get Asus GTX 670 DCUII. There are many other cards that will be very good as you're about to find out. Brace yourself.


Nvidia's not doing too well at the high end in terms of price/performance this generation. As far as I've seen, with the revised AMD drivers, the 7950 packs the best price/performance ratio, especially if you know how to overclock, since you can send it right up to the 7970 GHz and save $150 in the process.

Echoing previous posts: You'd be perfectly fine with a 7870, but if you want some headroom for more demanding games, I'd wholeheartedly recommend getting a 7950 and learning to overclock.
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March 11, 2013 2:29:18 AM

xomm said:
Nvidia's not doing too well at the high end in terms of price/performance this generation. As far as I've seen, with the revised AMD drivers, the 7950 packs the best price/performance ratio, especially if you know how to overclock, since you can send it right up to the 7970 GHz and save $150 in the process.


True, although Nvidia has its own perks and moments as well. From the AMD side I'd pick Sapphire Vapor-X 7970 3Gb GHz Ed or perhaps a Gigabyte 7970 Windforce GHz Ed.

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March 11, 2013 2:42:29 AM
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xomm said:
Nvidia's not doing too well at the high end in terms of price/performance this generation. As far as I've seen, with the revised AMD drivers, the 7950 packs the best price/performance ratio, especially if you know how to overclock, since you can send it right up to the 7970 GHz and save $150 in the process.

Echoing previous posts: You'd be perfectly fine with a 7870, but if you want some headroom for more demanding games, I'd wholeheartedly recommend getting a 7950 and learning to overclock.

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hizodge said:
True, although Nvidia has its own perks and moments as well. From the AMD side I'd pick Sapphire Vapor-X 7970 3Gb GHz Ed or perhaps a Gigabyte 7970 Windforce GHz Ed.

This is also good advice. But in all seriousness just about all of the 7970s overclock the same and will hit 1.2GHz if you know what you're doing, the only reason I'd spend more for a better cooler would be to get less noise.
March 11, 2013 2:45:32 AM

all he needs is the 7850 and the new cata drivers that will max any game out and its only for $150'

and what is with everyone and when someone asks for a graphics card recommendation and everyone just suggest the top cards ? that's really noob i have a pair of 7770's and can max out nearly any game and they are good for another 2 years just because someone asks for a new card don't mean they have all the money in the world and will get a big card
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March 11, 2013 3:13:49 AM

th3_ory said:
You got two choices GTX 680 or the ASUS 7970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG_RTBPoKgY

(Make sure its the asus 7970:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrKEzzN89QU)

Both around 600$


600 thats crazy

s3anister said:
If those are the only games you're going to be playing then the most graphically demanding game is going to be Skyrim and you do not need a GTX 680 or Radeon HD 7970 to max out skyrim; the only exception being if you plan on using mods that are graphically intensive in which case you should go the route of an HD 7970.

All things considered, you could easily get away with using a single Radeon 7870 2GB model and if you went that route you'd be able to get a second one to crossfire in the future if you get into more graphically intensive games.


if you plan to use mods for skyrim anything below 3gb vram will not cut it. i routinely run up to 2.7 gb vram usage.
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March 11, 2013 3:22:18 AM

I would like to add that if your computer is as important to you as mine is to me then I always believe in buying the best you can afford. A year and a half ago i could have saved a few dollars but i spent every penny i could. I have my 2500k and a gtx 560. i wish i could have gotten better but i am really happy 18 months later that i spent what i did. a better card today means even more 18 months later.

all consensus cards above are good choices but buying the best you can shouldn't lead to future disappointment.
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March 11, 2013 3:23:42 AM

also a 3 gig cards is really important since in the future vram will be a bottleneck to SLI. just like my one gig card is now
March 11, 2013 3:24:37 AM

fkr said:
I would like to add that if your computer is as important to you as mine is to me then I always believe in buying the best you can afford. A year and a half ago i could have saved a few dollars but i spent every penny i could. I have my 2500k and a gtx 560. i wish i could have gotten better but i am really happy 18 months later that i spent what i did. a better card today means even more 18 months later.

all consensus cards above are good choices but buying the best you can shouldn't lead to future disappointment.


a 560 is a mid gaming card not a top card if you were replying about my post if not then he needs something better then a 560 its better to go with the cards these days then a card from the past
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March 11, 2013 3:28:33 AM

cbrunnem said:
600 thats crazy



if you plan to use mods for skyrim anything below 3gb vram will not cut it. i routinely run up to 2.7 gb vram usage.

Read my post a little closer, that's why I said if he plans on using mods he will need the 7970.
batty251 said:
all he needs is the 7850 and the new cata drivers that will max any game out and its only for $150'

and what is with everyone and when someone asks for a graphics card recommendation and everyone just suggest the top cards ? that's really noob i have a pair of 7770's and can max out nearly any game and they are good for another 2 years just because someone asks for a new card don't mean they have all the money in the world and will get a big card

No it's not "really noob". A pair of 7770s might get decent frame rates, however, the 1GB VRAM is vastly insufficient for using large textures, turning up Anti-Aliasing without a frame-rate hit, or running high-resolutions. Take what cbrunnem said as it's a good example; if you plan on using heavy AA on any game or mods with Skyrim (and why wouldn't you if you're playing it on PC) it's easy to go above 2GB of used VRAM which makes any card running 1GB of VRAM highly impractical and incapable of running AA/high res textures.

Don't forget, if you crossfire two GPUs that each have 1GB of VRAM you do not end up with a 2GB frame buffer, you still only have a 1GB frame buffer as each card only has the VRAM on-board to use (The frame buffer in crossfire/SLI is 1&1 not 1+1). It's not possible for GPU1 to use the memory on GPU2.
March 11, 2013 3:32:22 AM

s3anister said:
Read my post a little closer, that's why I said if he plans on using mods he will need the 7970.

No it's not "really noob". A pair of 7770s might get decent frame rates, however, the 1GB VRAM is vastly insufficient for using large textures, turning up Anti-Aliasing without a frame-rate hit, or running high-resolutions. Take what cbrunnem said as it's a good example; if you plan on using heavy AA on any game or mods with Skyrim (and why wouldn't you if you're playing it on PC) it's easy to go above 2GB of used VRAM which makes any card running 1GB of VRAM highly impractical and incapable of running AA/high res textures.

Don't forget, if you crossfire two GPUs that each have 1GB of VRAM you do not end up with a 2GB frame buffer, you still only have a 1GB frame buffer as each card only has the VRAM on-board to use (The frame buffer in crossfire/SLI is 1&1 not 1+1). It's not possible for GPU1 to use the memory on GPU2.



then explain why i max out bf3 on 1920x1080 same with other games when i say i max out nearly every game i mean i always play 1920x1080 but some games just need a little bit beefier gpu and so some small number of games i play high or medium its still good gaming but where did he say he was going to put mods in ?

and a 7850 dose sport 2GB of vram
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March 11, 2013 4:01:49 AM

batty251 said:
then explain why i max out bf3 on 1920x1080 same with other games when i say i max out nearly every game i mean i always play 1920x1080 but some games just need a little bit beefier gpu and so some small number of games i play high or medium its still good gaming but where did he say he was going to put mods in ?

and a 7850 dose sport 2GB of vram

Because Battlefield 3 doesn't need a large frame buffer unless you turn up Anti-Aliasing like I said already. As far as needing a "beefier GPU" this is only part of the equasion for GPU performance, the memory subsystem is equally important in getting good frames rates, and again like I said, especially when it comes to turning up AA or using mods/higher resolution. In any case, you don't get what I'm saying so I'm not going to argue with you.

The Radeon HD 7850 is available in both a 1GB and 2GB VRAM model.
March 11, 2013 4:09:32 AM

s3anister said:
Because Battlefield 3 doesn't need a large frame buffer unless you turn up Anti-Aliasing like I said already. As far as needing a "beefier GPU" this is only part of the equasion for GPU performance, the memory subsystem is equally important in getting good frames rates, and again like I said, especially when it comes to turning up AA or using mods/higher resolution. In any case, you don't get what I'm saying so I'm not going to argue with you.

The Radeon HD 7850 is available in both a 1GB and 2GB VRAM model.


yes but who would get 1GB vram over 2Gb vram ? and well like i said i max out bf3 that includes anti aliasing
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March 11, 2013 4:15:32 AM

i know for a fact that if you get ANYTHING with 1gb of vram you WILL NOT be maxing out tooo many games these days. not crysis not bf3 not skyrim not many at all.

also i highly doubt anyone is maxing out most games with cf 7770 with good fps. Facts or its not true.
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March 11, 2013 4:15:43 AM

he doesn't really play FPS so who cares about bfxxx. my post about the gtx 560 if you read is about when i bought it 18 months ago. i guess it was just midrange then also. the games he plays will need 2-3 gigs of vram and if he stays within the genre he is playing now that vram need will only go up. the days of 1 gig vram are gone. 2 is the new min and three will put you in a good place 18 months from now
March 11, 2013 9:27:48 AM

gtx 680 would be just great but for more freedom at game options i would pick the 7970 oc edition!1gb vram is very nice and the card of its chipset seems to produce enough gaming power for an 27 inch screen!

March 11, 2013 10:07:11 AM

A great card IMO would be the HD 7870 2gb series great prerfomance for a great price. and if you ever feel like you need more power just buy another one and crossfire it. One card will be just fine for quite a while, as long as your not a graphics nazi!!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


March 11, 2013 10:30:33 AM

Gennaios said:
gtx 680 would be just great but for more freedom at game options i would pick the 7970 oc edition!1gb vram is very nice and the card of its chipset seems to produce enough gaming power for an 27 inch screen!



1: Most 7970s have 3GB RAM
2: Screen size has nothing to do with how powerful a card needs to be.
March 11, 2013 10:35:30 AM

screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions
March 11, 2013 10:46:11 AM

i forgot to write 1gb more than the 680!when did i say that????:no: 
i said higher resolution may need more vram?
do you read other comments?(friendly)
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March 11, 2013 11:31:26 AM

batty251 said:
s3anister said:
Because Battlefield 3 doesn't need a large frame buffer unless you turn up Anti-Aliasing like I said already. As far as needing a "beefier GPU" this is only part of the equasion for GPU performance, the memory subsystem is equally important in getting good frames rates, and again like I said, especially when it comes to turning up AA or using mods/higher resolution. In any case, you don't get what I'm saying so I'm not going to argue with you.

The Radeon HD 7850 is available in both a 1GB and 2GB VRAM model.


yes but who would get 1GB vram over 2Gb vram ? and well like i said i max out bf3 that includes anti aliasing

This is what I've been trying to say the whole time, I simply included the fact that there are 1GB and 2GB models for your own misinformed self.
cbrunnem said:


whats your point

He has no point.
batty251 said:
screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions

lol no. VRAM in large capacities with a large bus-width is one of the things that allows a person to play video games at high resolutions in addition to the strength of the GPU and the CPU as well. If you had a $#!t GPU and CPU but the memory subsystem on your graphics card was the same as a 7970 you wouldn't be able to play games at high resolutions very well, this is fact.
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March 11, 2013 11:36:33 AM

Gennaios said:
i forgot to write 1gb more than the 680!when did i say that????:no: 
i said higher resolution may need more vram?
do you read other comments?(friendly)


This is why proofreading is important. Also, you can edit your previous posts to remove errors and such.
March 11, 2013 2:02:32 PM

Gennaios said:
i forgot to write 1gb more than the 680!when did i say that????:no: 
i said higher resolution may need more vram?
do you read other comments?(friendly)


You originally said "enough gaming power for an 27 inch screen!" I was clearing up the misconception that physical screen size has anything to do with GPU load, which some people seem to believe. Resolution, on the other hand, absolutely does affect your GPU load.

Anywho, I think this thread has gotten quite long enough. The general consensus seems to be to get the 7870, which will max out the OP's most demanding game: Skyrim (ymmv with mods). Or considering the rather large budget, to get a 7970 to be more futureproof.

In either case I recommend the Gigabyte Windforce 3X versions of both. Low price, cools and overclocks well, and relatively quiet.
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March 11, 2013 3:31:39 PM

batty251 said:
screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions


screen size doesnt depend on vram. screen resolution does. i wouldnt recommend buying a screen based on vram though. you can always buy a monitor with a higher resolution then your card can play because monitors last a lot longer and through upgrades you could eventually play at native resolutions.
March 11, 2013 6:13:42 PM

cbrunnem said:
batty251 said:
screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions


screen size doesnt depend on vram. screen resolution does. i wouldnt recommend buying a screen based on vram though. you can always buy a monitor with a higher resolution then your card can play because monitors last a lot longer and through upgrades you could eventually play at native resolutions.


screen size is resolution what did you think resolution was ?
March 11, 2013 6:17:05 PM

s3anister said:
batty251 said:
s3anister said:
Because Battlefield 3 doesn't need a large frame buffer unless you turn up Anti-Aliasing like I said already. As far as needing a "beefier GPU" this is only part of the equasion for GPU performance, the memory subsystem is equally important in getting good frames rates, and again like I said, especially when it comes to turning up AA or using mods/higher resolution. In any case, you don't get what I'm saying so I'm not going to argue with you.

The Radeon HD 7850 is available in both a 1GB and 2GB VRAM model.


yes but who would get 1GB vram over 2Gb vram ? and well like i said i max out bf3 that includes anti aliasing

This is what I've been trying to say the whole time, I simply included the fact that there are 1GB and 2GB models for your own misinformed self.
cbrunnem said:


whats your point

He has no point.
batty251 said:
screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions

lol no. VRAM in large capacities with a large bus-width is one of the things that allows a person to play video games at high resolutions in addition to the strength of the GPU and the CPU as well. If you had a $#!t GPU and CPU but the memory subsystem on your graphics card was the same as a 7970 you wouldn't be able to play games at high resolutions very well, this is fact.


actually i do have a point you say that the 7850 wont be able to keep up with skyrim look at it in 1920x1080 see how many frames its getting or are you just blind and have no idea what the numbers mean if a 7850 can max out that game play 1920x1080 and have 66fps then whats saying it wont be able to do that plus some mods if he wishes to NOT THAT HE SAID HE WILL you all just assume he will get your head out of your ass only because you would dose not mean he would to and maybe he will just run the 1 or 2 mods that wont jack it up too much depending what mods they are anyways
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March 11, 2013 10:45:35 PM

batty251 said:
cbrunnem said:
batty251 said:
screen size depends on your vram your vram is what makes you play on high resolutions


screen size doesnt depend on vram. screen resolution does. i wouldnt recommend buying a screen based on vram though. you can always buy a monitor with a higher resolution then your card can play because monitors last a lot longer and through upgrades you could eventually play at native resolutions.


screen size is resolution what did you think resolution was ?

you can have a 21 inch 1080p monitor or a 27 inch 1080p monitor. both the same resolution but different size.

March 18, 2013 6:42:02 AM

and of course you misunderstood!gpu has nothing to do with the screen?the screen is what the resolution depends on!when i say screen its worthless to say that i mean the resolution!why did you misunderstand that!?!
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