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April 23, 2002 11:14:33 AM

hi all, i'm new in here so i don't know if i'm in the right place. if not, please tell me don't flame me ;) 

i'm thinking of bying a new computer and i assembled this few parts:

CPU: AMD Athlon XP 2100+, 1733MHz, 133MHz FSB
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-7VRXP, KT333, Audio (CT5880), USB2.0, LAN, RAID UDMA 133 (PC2700 DDR)
Memory: Corsair DIMM 256MB PC333 DDR, CL2 (PC2700) (CM64SD256-2700CX2H)
HDD: Maxtor DiamondMax D740X 60GB, UDMA 133, Retail (L14J060G)
Graphics-Card: Creative 3D Blaster 4 Titanium 4400, GeForce4 Ti4400, 128MB DDR, DVI, TV-out, AGP
DVD: LiteOn LTD-163 16x/48x, Bulk
CD-RW: Plextor PlexWriter PX-W2410TA, 24x/10x/40x, Retail

would be nice to get some inputs. thx.

GzG

Nerun

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April 23, 2002 2:23:24 PM

Are you planning to overclock?
The system looks fine. But be sure that you buy atleast a 350W powersupply.

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April 23, 2002 9:55:58 PM

Looks good, make sure you get atleast 2 hard drives if you are gonna use the raid

If you can find it on the internet, it HAS to be true! :smile:
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April 24, 2002 2:11:07 AM

looks pretty good to me. I agree that your power supply should be at least 350W, 431 if you overclock. the other thing I would suggest would be that you DON'T use the RAID feature. To understand why, read the following article thoroughly <A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.html?i=1491" target="_new">here</A> and instead of the hard drive you were getting, might I suggest the Western Digital WD1200JB with the 8 mb cache. Those hard drives will outperform your RAID, I think, if the article I linked is to be trusted.

<b>Studies have shown that most people prefer the taste of AMD to the taste of Intel</b>
April 24, 2002 2:29:59 AM

Looks good. However, I have reservations about Creative products. Look to get a Leadtek or Asus video card. Just make sure you have a quality power supply too. Good luck.

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April 24, 2002 7:15:41 AM

I agree. Leadtek and Asus produce better board then Creative. I have a Creative GeForce card before. The TV out does not work after 6 month.
April 25, 2002 9:38:14 AM

thx to all first.

ad shmeggegie: i read that article before. what attracted me at the hdd i chose is the udma/133.

in fact i'm not planning to use the raid feature. the motherboard just has it on board.

interresting that most suggested overclocking ... i will read through the forum a little. if anyone has usefull links, that would be appreciable.

GzG

Nerun
April 26, 2002 5:16:53 PM

dma 133 is a joke, just a number game, there is no performance gain.

you shot who in the what now?
April 27, 2002 2:57:36 PM

If you aren't planning to OC you don't really need the PC2700 DDR RAM, because the memory standard runs at PC2100.

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April 28, 2002 2:19:27 PM

i know about that PC2700 runs currently only with CL 2.5 which is equal to PC2100 with CL 2.0. i also know that the crosair chip i listed doesn't run with CL 2.0 but only with CL 2.5. nonetheless i hope that there will be some chips available when i finally buy the computer.

ad jihiggs: where have you got your information from? i'd like to read about it. i think i read somewhere that the higher tactrate brings performance.

GzG

Nerun
April 28, 2002 4:00:56 PM

So you plan to overclock?

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April 28, 2002 7:03:16 PM

I buying a very similar system myslef, I've decided to use a Soltek SL-75DRV5. I had a few prooblems with my current gigabyte GA7-ZXR mboard (Via KT133 chipset) and my Creative Ge-Force2 GTS(something to do with not enough voltage getting to the AGP slot, I dont know the details), so I wanted to stay away from gigabyte. Do you know when PC2700 ram will become avaliable in CL2.0?

Why use windows when you can use doors?
April 29, 2002 8:11:57 AM

ad svol: no i don't.

ad jammydodger: i see we have the same sources ... i thought of the Soltek first, too. in this article (http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020220/) of the new Via KT333(A) and its features, so i changed my plan with that.

That lead to new ram (PC2700) and a new hdd (UDMA 133). i think i'll wait till good CL 2.0 memory is out (hopfully in may/2002). in this forum i was tought that udma 133 is only fully utilizable under the certain cicrcumstances (http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboard/02q1/020220/kt33...). maybe i'll go with a cheap ibm hdd and wait till good udm 133 drives are out ...

question again: in this thread was said that leaktek and asus have a good reputation in graphics cards. what about the others like abit or msi ?

thx to all

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 12:47:34 PM

So why do you want PC2700 RAM if you don't want to OC? The normal Athlon FSB 133 MHz so you only need PC2100 RAM, PC2700 RAM is made to run at 166 MHz FSB. There are mobo's where you can run the FSB and mem at diffirent speeds, but you won't get better results with this because the CPU doesn't have the higher bandwith, ie: 133/166 FSB/mem gives not better performance and possible even worster because they run async.

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April 29, 2002 2:33:16 PM

hmmm... you got a good point there... i probably didn't think it through correctly.

but what is the Via KT333 chipset good for if you can't use the PC2700 feature in normal operation and for udma/133 there aren't any drives available ... usb 2.0 is the feature you can use. crap. i hate computers. *ew"§$2eo3§irh*

sorry. ;-)

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 3:16:05 PM

Well you can run the memory async, but that doesn't help much. Maybe there will be 166MHz FSB Athlon in the future, but their next version is planned to be 133MHz.
But if you want the 166MHz FSB and not an OC'ed CPU there is a solution: you can unlock your CPU so you can change your multiplier. If you have an 1,8GHz CPU for example your CPU speed is 13.5*133=1800 MHz (Multiplier*FSB=CPU speed), in you unlock your CPU and raise the FSB you can set it to: 11*166=1833, which is just a 33 MHz OC; you wont need extra cooling for this, and you will get very fast memory performance.

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April 29, 2002 5:02:10 PM

first of all, big thx to svol ! (got it ?)

sounds good, but what do you mean with unlocking? an explanation of the "multiplier" would be very appreciated, too.

thx

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 5:45:04 PM

ad sval: i looked around a bit and read something about cpu multipliers and their setting. it frightend me a lot more than OC. i think i'll let everything be as it is, im not the risky guy ... at least not with a new cpu.

according to this article [http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q1/via-kt333/&gt;], the via K333 in combination with DDR333 brings no houge but at least some performance increase. i think i'll wait till PC2700 with CL 2.0 (others than the corsar) come out and the Toroughbred is available. prices for the xp 2100 will surely be lower then.

anyway, thx to all for your attention and comments! special thanks to sval.

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 5:55:05 PM

It is svol... but no problem, glad I could help.

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April 29, 2002 6:08:15 PM

When do AMD plan to release the thoroughbred? Would it be worth waiting for it to come out? Or will it be a long time? Will the FSB of the thoroughbred be increased for 133 to 166mhz?

I read an article that said that although the transfer of data between the CPU and the northbridge are slower in terms of Mhz to those between RAM northbridge it uses differnt protocals and has a lower latency so it is actually more efficient which makes up for the 33Mhr difference between the RAM and CPU transfer rates. Therefore even though the clock speeds are asynchronous you can still get better performance than if both the RAM and FSB were running at 133Mhz (rather than 166/133). I have no idea how true that is but if I can remember where I saw it I will post the link.

Why use windows when you can use doors?
April 29, 2002 6:15:03 PM

I don't know when they want to release it, it should already have been, but they are waiting till the next Intel Pentium 4 comes out. But you have to look in the CPU section for a good answer, I don't come there often.
But if I'm right they will be 133 MHz :frown: .

You can find a similair conclusion to the 133/166 MHz FSB/RAM thing in this article: <A HREF="http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q1/via-kt333" target="_new">http://www.tech-report.com/reviews/2002q1/via-kt333&lt;/A>.

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April 29, 2002 6:43:06 PM

it should come out in 2002/q2 and it will be with 133 according to the article at tomshardware.

ad svol: i posted the same link ... :-D

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 6:46:59 PM

i've got a real problem with getting my smileys pictured ... thos brats just stay in letters. hmmmm ... minor problem, but sad ... :( 

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 6:57:19 PM

Ok cheers, I think I will wait for the thoroughbred then. I also want to get a Ge-Force4 Ti4600, I was thinking of the creative card as it is the cheapest (£305, here in the UK), but quite a lot of ppl have said bad things bout the creative cards. Would it be worth the extra £50 or so for an Asus card?

Why use windows when you can use doors?
April 29, 2002 8:20:47 PM

although i'd rather take the 4400, i fist picked the creative card, too. as you already said, ppl don't seem to think the best of creative graphic cards.

i think leadtek lies somewhere in the middle. that'l probably be my pick ...

GzG

Nerun
April 29, 2002 9:00:57 PM

Well I thought about the 4400, but I really want a system that will last me ages. Is there much performance difference between the 4400 and the 4600?
I use my computer mostly for gaming and I want it to be able to run future titles like Unreal 2 (or tornament 2003, or whatever they have decided to call it now).

I've got a 20gig 7200RPM maxtor hard drive that I'm not currently planning on upgrading, would it be worth the upgrade maybe to somthing liek a 40 or 60gb with 8mb cache?
Also what PSU do u plan to use? I'm not really sure bout that, how much would a 400w PSU set me back?


Why use windows when you can use doors?
April 30, 2002 2:56:29 PM

I know, but that article said where he was looking for.
If you want to know how to make faces, look in the FAQ :smile: .

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April 30, 2002 3:02:43 PM

The difference between the 4400 and the 4600 isn't worth the money IMO, and you can easily OC the 4400 to 4600 speeds.
If you plan to use much games a bigger harddisk may be good, but I don't think you need 8MB cache.
With a 400 Watt PSU you will have plenty of power.

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April 30, 2002 3:48:19 PM

sorry to bother you again guys, but after i know now what a PSU is i'm a little confused how to pick the right one.

some guyes say 350 is enough, others that you should look for a 400 W. the "PCU picker" i tryed on the internet said a 275 was enough ...

so: the config can be read above. i don't want to OC. what's my pick ?

thx again

GzG

Nerun
April 30, 2002 4:45:38 PM

Now if the 'PSU picker' said 275W, then it is a VERY bad picker.
You atleast need 300W, and I recommend a 350W. But if you plan to ad more HD's you might want to go for an 400W.

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April 30, 2002 4:57:18 PM

ok. thx again !

GzG

Nerun
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