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January 14, 2005 10:26:27 AM

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PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to find
out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.

Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?

And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on the
CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?

bin

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Anonymous
January 14, 2005 11:51:02 AM

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"binary" <bin@binary.xyz> wrote in message
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> PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to
> find out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
>
> Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?

Nope, not per the RedBook standard. However, there is an extension called
"CD Text" that puts some of that information on the CD where the player can
read it.

> And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on
> the CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?

Just get burning software (current Nero and EZ CD) that supports CD text and
provide the information at burning time.

I recently semi-unknowingly installed a car radio with CD text features, and
was a little surprised when one of my CDs scrolling relevant text on the
player's display while I was listening to it.
January 14, 2005 3:11:30 PM

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Arny Krueger wrote:
> "binary" <bin@binary.xyz> wrote in message
> news:2TOFd.47561$TN6.1750111@news20.bellglobal.com
>
>>PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to
>>find out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
>>
>>Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?
>
>
> Nope, not per the RedBook standard. However, there is an extension called
> "CD Text" that puts some of that information on the CD where the player can
> read it.
>
>
>>And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on
>>the CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?
>
>
> Just get burning software (current Nero and EZ CD) that supports CD text and
> provide the information at burning time.

I have RecordNow 3.5 from Veritas (it came with my burner). The strange
thing is, it wants to go out to some database on the Internet, to
generate the text entries for me, but it doesn't let me enter my own text.
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Anonymous
January 14, 2005 4:29:14 PM

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"binary" <bin@binary.xyz> wrote in message
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> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "binary" <bin@binary.xyz> wrote in message
>> news:2TOFd.47561$TN6.1750111@news20.bellglobal.com
>>
>>> PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to
>>> find out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
>>>
>>> Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?
>>
>>
>> Nope, not per the RedBook standard. However, there is an extension
>> called "CD Text" that puts some of that information on the CD where
>> the player can read it.
>>
>>
>>> And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on
>>> the CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?
>>
>>
>> Just get burning software (current Nero and EZ CD) that supports CD
>> text and provide the information at burning time.
>
> I have RecordNow 3.5 from Veritas (it came with my burner). The
> strange thing is, it wants to go out to some database on the
> Internet, to generate the text entries for me, but it doesn't let me
> enter my own text.

There internet database(s) are pretty much standard and called CDDB. There
are a number of online CDDB databases.

My recollection is that Nero was putting CD Text on my discs based on the
filenames of the .wav files, since they did not appear in any standard CDDB
database.
Anonymous
January 14, 2005 4:45:23 PM

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On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 07:26:27 -0500, binary <bin@binary.xyz> wrote:

> PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to find
> out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
>
> Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?
>
> And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on the
> CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?
>
> bin
>

Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
You can add CD Text to your own CD's with most CD burning software
nowadays - check for CD Text in the help file or manual for your
particular program.

Cheers.

James.
Anonymous
January 14, 2005 7:55:51 PM

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We have something similar in Europe in radio (FM) I don't know if you have
it in USA.It's called RDS and in most FM stations you have text displayed on
your boombox or tuner.

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> "binary" <bin@binary.xyz> wrote in message
> news:2TOFd.47561$TN6.1750111@news20.bellglobal.com
> > PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to
> > find out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
> >
> > Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?
>
> Nope, not per the RedBook standard. However, there is an extension called
> "CD Text" that puts some of that information on the CD where the player
can
> read it.
>
> > And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on
> > the CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?
>
> Just get burning software (current Nero and EZ CD) that supports CD text
and
> provide the information at burning time.
>
> I recently semi-unknowingly installed a car radio with CD text features,
and
> was a little surprised when one of my CDs scrolling relevant text on the
> player's display while I was listening to it.
>
>
Anonymous
January 14, 2005 7:55:52 PM

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"Dimitrios Tzortzakakis" <use@address.below> wrote in message
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> We have something similar in Europe in radio (FM) I don't know if you
> have it in USA.It's called RDS and in most FM stations you have text
> displayed on your boombox or tuner.

I've heard word of such a service in the US, just not very widespread yet.
Anonymous
January 14, 2005 10:58:13 PM

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In article <2TOFd.47561$TN6.1750111@news20.bellglobal.com>,
binary <bin@binary.xyz> wrote:

>PC based CD players are all very eager to go out on the Internet to find
>out information about the tracks on the CD that I want to play.
>
>Isn't the same information on the CD itself already?

Usually not.

It's possible to embed this sort of metadata in the subcode, but the
method for doing so didn't come along until years after the Red Book
CD standard was finalized - it's an extension rather than a part of
the basic standard.

Most manufacturers of CDs don't seem to bother including it on their
CDs.

>And is there a standard way of putting the metadata (track tags) on the
>CD, so that I can put it there myself when I burn my own CD?

Yes. Google for "CD-TEXT", or see

http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~aa571/cdtext.htm

for a good introduction.

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Anonymous
January 15, 2005 5:19:15 PM

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"James Perrett" <James.Perrett@soc.soton.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.

In fact very few of them.

MrT.
Anonymous
January 15, 2005 5:23:40 PM

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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> My recollection is that Nero was putting CD Text on my discs based on the
> filenames of the .wav files, since they did not appear in any standard
CDDB
> database.

Yes, Nero will use the file name as the track name (and artist name as well,
depending on you using the proper naming convention)
Both can be readily edited before burning.

MrT.
Anonymous
January 16, 2005 5:36:54 AM

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"Mr. T" emitted :

>> Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
>
>In fact very few of them.

I'm surprised by the lack of CD Text on new releases. I have only
*one* pressed CD that has CD Text, dating back to about 2000. Why
don't they use it?


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Anonymous
January 16, 2005 5:49:46 AM

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"Paul Dormer" <signal@lineone.not> wrote in message
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> "Mr. T" emitted :
>
> >> Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
> >
> >In fact very few of them.
>
> I'm surprised by the lack of CD Text on new releases. I have only
> *one* pressed CD that has CD Text, dating back to about 2000. Why
> don't they use it?
>
>
> S i g n a l @ l i n e o n e . n e t
> -----------------------------------
> It's Grim down south..
Every new CD I have bought from Sony for the last few years has had CD Text,
as have some from other labels and also every SACD.
Anonymous
January 16, 2005 12:23:46 PM

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"Mr. T" <mrt@home> wrote in message
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>
> "James Perrett" <James.Perrett@soc.soton.ac.uk> wrote in message
> news:o psklhtxdsc1na0e@news.nerc.ac.uk...
>> Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
>
> In fact very few of them.

And CD-TEXT is a completely different thing to the internet-supplied CDDB.

geoff
January 16, 2005 5:03:37 PM

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Geoff Wood wrote:
> "Mr. T" <mrt@home> wrote in message
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>
>>"James Perrett" <James.Perrett@soc.soton.ac.uk> wrote in message
>>news:o psklhtxdsc1na0e@news.nerc.ac.uk...
>>
>>>Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
>>
>>In fact very few of them.
>
>
> And CD-TEXT is a completely different thing to the internet-supplied CDDB.
>
> geoff
>
>

My point was that the RecordNow CD burning software wants to go out to a
CDDB database on the internet to get data that it will put as CD-text on
the CD, but it does not let me enter my own text. Seems kind of backwards.

Bin
Anonymous
January 17, 2005 4:40:53 PM

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2005 02:36:54 +0000, Paul Dormer <signal@lineone.not> wrote:

> "Mr. T" emitted :
>
>>> Some CD's have CD Text information on them but by no means all of them.
>>
>> In fact very few of them.
>
> I'm surprised by the lack of CD Text on new releases. I have only
> *one* pressed CD that has CD Text, dating back to about 2000. Why
> don't they use it?
>

I think that Sony have the patent on CD Text for commercial releases and
only Sony's own pressing plants are allowed to press CD's with CD Text. Do
a web search on Sony-DADC for more details.

Cheers.

James.
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