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Anonymous
August 18, 2005 12:40:28 PM

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Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
I backwind it, the playback is fine.

Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.

This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?

Thanks in advanced for the help!
---TheDoctor
Anonymous
August 18, 2005 6:02:04 PM

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In article <n609g11pjhbvlplpo6ijltne0igo56crnd@4ax.com>,
TheDoctor <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote:

> Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
> studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
> I backwind it, the playback is fine.
>
> Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
> Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.
>
> This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advanced for the help!

Hard drive could be getting ready to die.

Check diagnostics at www.weaknees.com
Anonymous
August 19, 2005 10:52:31 PM

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"TheDoctor" <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:n609g11pjhbvlplpo6ijltne0igo56crnd@4ax.com...
> Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
> studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
> I backwind it, the playback is fine.
>
> Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
> Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.
>
> This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advanced for the help!
> ---TheDoctor

How old is the unit? It sounds like the HD is going. If so, it won't get
any better. You'll need to replace the drive or the whole unit.
Related resources
August 19, 2005 11:25:26 PM

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In article <dntNe.24102$Rm3.23411@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
"mad NATer" <Mr.X@nospam.com> wrote:

> "TheDoctor" <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:n609g11pjhbvlplpo6ijltne0igo56crnd@4ax.com...
> > Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
> > studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
> > I backwind it, the playback is fine.
> >
> > Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
> > Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.
> >
> > This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?
> >
> > Thanks in advanced for the help!
> > ---TheDoctor
>
> How old is the unit? It sounds like the HD is going. If so, it won't get
> any better. You'll need to replace the drive or the whole unit.

2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.
$50 will get you a replacement (prepaid exchange with FedEx picking the
old one up from you) from them. Just did mine.
Note: there is fine print- 2 year commitment and they did charge 14.95
shipping + sales tax. Even with all that, I got it overnight and it was
plug-and-play. Hassle-free. Do it before the drive gets worse.

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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 2:51:37 PM

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Thanks for the great info. I'm surprised they don't offer some built
in drive diagnostics or formating tools. Oddly the problem has gone
away but I'm off loading my videos just incase the end is near for
this drive.

Thanks Again,
---TheDoctor

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:25:26 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
wrote:

>In article <dntNe.24102$Rm3.23411@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> "mad NATer" <Mr.X@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> "TheDoctor" <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:n609g11pjhbvlplpo6ijltne0igo56crnd@4ax.com...
>> > Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
>> > studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
>> > I backwind it, the playback is fine.
>> >
>> > Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
>> > Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.
>> >
>> > This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advanced for the help!
>> > ---TheDoctor
>>
>> How old is the unit? It sounds like the HD is going. If so, it won't get
>> any better. You'll need to replace the drive or the whole unit.
>
>2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.
>$50 will get you a replacement (prepaid exchange with FedEx picking the
>old one up from you) from them. Just did mine.
>Note: there is fine print- 2 year commitment and they did charge 14.95
>shipping + sales tax. Even with all that, I got it overnight and it was
>plug-and-play. Hassle-free. Do it before the drive gets worse.
August 20, 2005 2:51:38 PM

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In article <vogeg1969j9hmkiqa19vlv7sdi6290lqdl@4ax.com>,
TheDoctor <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the great info. I'm surprised they don't offer some built
> in drive diagnostics or formating tools. Oddly the problem has gone
> away but I'm off loading my videos just incase the end is near for
> this drive.
>
> Thanks Again,
> ---TheDoctor
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:25:26 -0700, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <dntNe.24102$Rm3.23411@bignews4.bellsouth.net>,
> > "mad NATer" <Mr.X@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "TheDoctor" <TheDoctor@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:n609g11pjhbvlplpo6ijltne0igo56crnd@4ax.com...
> >> > Here is an odd one. In the last two days my Tivo has started to
> >> > studder, las if the pause button is pushed for a 10th of a second. If
> >> > I backwind it, the playback is fine.
> >> >
> >> > Philips Series 2 DSR704 Software Version 6.2-01-2-301
> >> > Both inputs read in the high 90's for signal strenght.
> >> >
> >> > This is both in Live TV and Newly Recorded shows. Any ideas?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advanced for the help!
> >> > ---TheDoctor
> >>
> >> How old is the unit? It sounds like the HD is going. If so, it won't get
> >> any better. You'll need to replace the drive or the whole unit.
> >
> >2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.
> >$50 will get you a replacement (prepaid exchange with FedEx picking the
> >old one up from you) from them. Just did mine.
> >Note: there is fine print- 2 year commitment and they did charge 14.95
> >shipping + sales tax. Even with all that, I got it overnight and it was
> >plug-and-play. Hassle-free. Do it before the drive gets worse.

My problem started out infrequently, then just got worse over a couple
months.
They allow you 30 days (they say 7 days in one place, but 30 seems to be
the cutoff before slapping you with a big fee) to make the switch and
have your old unit returned. They also bill you rather than have you pay
on the spot.
Yes, too bad about the lack of diagnostics built in.

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August 20, 2005 7:46:19 PM

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Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-F19B64.19252619082005
@news.giganews.com:

> 2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.

My next question would have been "What is 'moderate use' on a device where
the drive is constantly spinning?".

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August 20, 2005 8:47:35 PM

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In article <Xns96B86D9914874stile@129.250.170.90>,
Howard <stile99@email.com> wrote:

> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-F19B64.19252619082005
> @news.giganews.com:
>
> > 2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.
>
> My next question would have been "What is 'moderate use' on a device where
> the drive is constantly spinning?".

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hard drive is working harder if you
watch all your TV as recorded programs as I do.

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Anonymous
August 21, 2005 5:17:46 AM

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On 2005-08-20, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns96B86D9914874stile@129.250.170.90>,
> Howard <stile99@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in news:labolide-F19B64.19252619082005
>> @news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > 2-3 years of moderate use is the figure I heard from a DirecTivo tech.
>>
>> My next question would have been "What is 'moderate use' on a device where
>> the drive is constantly spinning?".
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hard drive is working harder if you
> watch all your TV as recorded programs as I do.

Ok, you're wrong. Makes no difference. Everything you watch makes the
hard drive work the same amount.

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August 21, 2005 5:31:51 AM

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Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
news:labolide-F190E5.16473520082005@news.giganews.com:

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hard drive is working harder if you
> watch all your TV as recorded programs as I do.

EVERYTHING you watch on TiVo is a recorded program. Including "Live TV".
The hard drive neither knows nor cares if the screen is on or not.

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August 21, 2005 5:31:52 AM

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In article <Xns96B8D0E0F6BF5stile@129.250.170.92>,
Howard <stile99@email.com> wrote:

> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
> news:labolide-F190E5.16473520082005@news.giganews.com:
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hard drive is working harder if you
> > watch all your TV as recorded programs as I do.
>
> EVERYTHING you watch on TiVo is a recorded program. Including "Live TV".
> The hard drive neither knows nor cares if the screen is on or not.

Yes, but more activity is going to cause the hard drive to accessing
more sectors on the drive.

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Anonymous
August 21, 2005 7:06:13 AM

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On 2005-08-21, Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns96B8D0E0F6BF5stile@129.250.170.92>,
> Howard <stile99@email.com> wrote:
>
>> Kurt <labolide@spacegmail.com> wrote in
>> news:labolide-F190E5.16473520082005@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the hard drive is working harder if you
>> > watch all your TV as recorded programs as I do.
>>
>> EVERYTHING you watch on TiVo is a recorded program. Including "Live TV".
>> The hard drive neither knows nor cares if the screen is on or not.
>
> Yes, but more activity is going to cause the hard drive to accessing
> more sectors on the drive.

What you using as 'more activity'? If it is equal to "time", then yes,
the longer your TiVo is on, the more sectors on the drive will get
accessed.

If you are using 'more activity' as recording more shows, I don't think
your assumption is correct. Based on my 'undelete' function from TiVoWeb,
I would guess it uses all the sectors on the harddrive equally.

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Anonymous
August 21, 2005 7:41:48 AM

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Kurt wrote:

>>EVERYTHING you watch on TiVo is a recorded program. Including "Live TV".
>>The hard drive neither knows nor cares if the screen is on or not.
>
> Yes, but more activity is going to cause the hard drive to accessing
> more sectors on the drive.

When not in standby, there are three data streams, one for each tuner
and one for playback. Granted, the amount of seeking from cylinder
to cylinder is reduced when playback is live or close to live.
But with two streams recording, it makes little difference whether
you're watching a recorded program or not.
-Joe
August 21, 2005 11:30:42 AM

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"Mike Hunt" <in2sheep@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > Yes, but more activity is going to cause the hard drive to accessing
> > more sectors on the drive.
>
> What you using as 'more activity'? If it is equal to "time", then yes,
> the longer your TiVo is on, the more sectors on the drive will get
> accessed.
>
> If you are using 'more activity' as recording more shows, I don't think
> your assumption is correct. Based on my 'undelete' function from TiVoWeb,
> I would guess it uses all the sectors on the harddrive equally.


Would "more activity" be the case if you are watching a previously recorded
program while recording another *and also* transferring something from
another TiVo over to this one?

In other words should I not be recording/watching/transferring all at the
same time? My oldest unit has had a couple of glitchy moments lately.


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August 21, 2005 12:44:25 PM

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In article <5uqdnRKzjpDnx5XeRVn-1A@comcast.com>,
Joe Smith <joe@inwap.com> wrote:

> Kurt wrote:
>
> >>EVERYTHING you watch on TiVo is a recorded program. Including "Live TV".
> >>The hard drive neither knows nor cares if the screen is on or not.
> >
> > Yes, but more activity is going to cause the hard drive to accessing
> > more sectors on the drive.
>
> When not in standby, there are three data streams, one for each tuner
> and one for playback. Granted, the amount of seeking from cylinder
> to cylinder is reduced when playback is live or close to live.
> But with two streams recording, it makes little difference whether
> you're watching a recorded program or not.
> -Joe

But then it would depend how much you record.

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Anonymous
August 23, 2005 4:48:06 AM

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Kurt wrote:

>>When not in standby, there are three data streams, one for each tuner
>>and one for playback. Granted, the amount of seeking from cylinder
>>to cylinder is reduced when playback is live or close to live.
>>But with two streams recording, it makes little difference whether
>>you're watching a recorded program or not.
>> -Joe
>
>
> But then it would depend how much you record.

When not in standby, the TiVo is *always* recording.

Recording something from the To Do list, recording a suggestion,
or recording into the 30-minutes buffers. So, it makes no
difference whether you've requested a recording or not; there
are always two streams of video being recorded.
-Joe
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