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September 12, 2005 7:26:23 PM

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I wonder what kind of speeds other people are getting when transferring
recorded programs from TiVo to PC with wireless networking. It takes me
about three hours to transfer a one-hour program recorded in High Quality.

Anyone else?

Thanks, Robert
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 12, 2005 7:26:24 PM

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It all depends. :*)
I am using a G wireless (54Meg) and going from first floor to 3rd floor.
It used to take me 3 hours to transfer an hour program. My reception was
"good" since it was far away. I found on the web that a New Zealand
college had a project to increase wireless reach using cooking
strainers. Yes, cut the handle off those metal strainers, and insert the
USB wireless through the back to make a mini-TV dish. Point it to the
router. And now i get 100% Excellent reception. And it takes 1 1/2 hours
to 1 3/4 hours to transfer a 1 hour program.

hope that helps. (8 inch strainer)
DAve

Robert wrote:
> I wonder what kind of speeds other people are getting when transferring
> recorded programs from TiVo to PC with wireless networking. It takes me
> about three hours to transfer a one-hour program recorded in High Quality.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Thanks, Robert
>
>
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 12, 2005 7:26:24 PM

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For programs recorded in High quality - I get about a 1:1 ratio - that
is it takes about 1 minute to transfer 1 minute of video. For Medium
quality it's faster and in Basic a 60 minute show takes maybe 20
minutes.

How did I do it? Instead of using a wireless USB adapter solely, I
have regular wired USB and a wireless "game adapter" that plugs into
the wired adapter (It's the Linksys wireless game adapter, I don't
recall model #). Essentially what this does is attaches a wireless
broadcast to the wired adapter, hence the wired adapter is still the
one that goes to get the IP. I forget all the technical reasons (I
found out this info on the TIVO community forums) but from what I
gather I'm using the full bandwidth instead of being limited by the
pure wireless adapter - and since those gamign adapters are meant to
keep "ping" times low they seem to work for this purpose as well. At
$85 a pop for my two TIVOs it wasn't cheap, but well worth it as I can
watch a high quality show in real time streamed from the other TIVO.
Better yet if I wait 10 minutes I can still skip commercials and never
catch up.

I also added a pair of new antennae from Radio Shack for my Linksys
Router to extend its range and they definitely seem to help strengthen
the signal and extend its range. That ran me another $30.

--*Rob
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Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 12, 2005 7:26:24 PM

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The "game adapter" is a Linksys Wireless Game Adapter. See this page:

http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=...

It plugs INTO a regular wired network adapter (which is plugged into
your TIVO's USB port), using a standard networking cable. It basically
acts as a transmitter only, it does not do all of the networking stuff
itself. Again, I don't remember the technical reasons why this
increases bandwidth, but I can tell you that my speeds are very fast,
and others on the TIVO community forums have reported the same things.
Between that and the high gain antennas I used on my router from Radio
shack (see this page:
http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CT...)
My speeds are quite fast and my signal is "excellent" in the whole
house.

--*Rob
September 12, 2005 9:23:04 PM

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Thanks for the reply DAve. The 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hour transfer times you get
for a 1 hour program -- is that for a program recorded in Best, High,
Medium, or Basic quality?

Thanks, Robert

"DAve Allison" <dave1225@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:mbhVe.3656$OT2.2958@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> It all depends. :*)
> I am using a G wireless (54Meg) and going from first floor to 3rd floor.
> It used to take me 3 hours to transfer an hour program. My reception was
> "good" since it was far away. I found on the web that a New Zealand
> college had a project to increase wireless reach using cooking strainers.
> Yes, cut the handle off those metal strainers, and insert the USB wireless
> through the back to make a mini-TV dish. Point it to the router. And now i
> get 100% Excellent reception. And it takes 1 1/2 hours to 1 3/4 hours to
> transfer a 1 hour program.
>
> hope that helps. (8 inch strainer)
> DAve
>
> Robert wrote:
>> I wonder what kind of speeds other people are getting when transferring
>> recorded programs from TiVo to PC with wireless networking. It takes me
>> about three hours to transfer a one-hour program recorded in High
>> Quality.
>>
>> Anyone else?
>>
>> Thanks, Robert
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 12, 2005 9:23:05 PM

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I record on BEST or HIGH, can't remember if there was a difference in
times for these two. I am interested in the other reply you got. Wish'd
he had listed the parts he used. Not sure what a game adapter is.
DAve

Robert wrote:
> Thanks for the reply DAve. The 1 1/2 to 1 3/4 hour transfer times you get
> for a 1 hour program -- is that for a program recorded in Best, High,
> Medium, or Basic quality?
>
> Thanks, Robert
>
> "DAve Allison" <dave1225@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:mbhVe.3656$OT2.2958@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
>>It all depends. :*)
>>I am using a G wireless (54Meg) and going from first floor to 3rd floor.
>>It used to take me 3 hours to transfer an hour program. My reception was
>>"good" since it was far away. I found on the web that a New Zealand
>>college had a project to increase wireless reach using cooking strainers.
>>Yes, cut the handle off those metal strainers, and insert the USB wireless
>>through the back to make a mini-TV dish. Point it to the router. And now i
>>get 100% Excellent reception. And it takes 1 1/2 hours to 1 3/4 hours to
>>transfer a 1 hour program.
>>
>>hope that helps. (8 inch strainer)
>>DAve
>>
>>Robert wrote:
>>
>>>I wonder what kind of speeds other people are getting when transferring
>>>recorded programs from TiVo to PC with wireless networking. It takes me
>>>about three hours to transfer a one-hour program recorded in High
>>>Quality.
>>>
>>>Anyone else?
>>>
>>>Thanks, Robert
>
>
>
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 12, 2005 9:50:18 PM

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Robert Usdin wrote:
> The "game adapter" is a Linksys Wireless Game Adapter. See this page:
>
> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=...
>
> It plugs INTO a regular wired network adapter (which is plugged into
> your TIVO's USB port), using a standard networking cable. It basically
> acts as a transmitter only, it does not do all of the networking stuff
> itself. Again, I don't remember the technical reasons why this
> increases bandwidth, but I can tell you that my speeds are very fast,
> and others on the TIVO community forums have reported the same things.
> Between that and the high gain antennas I used on my router from Radio
> shack (see this page:
> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CT...)
> My speeds are quite fast and my signal is "excellent" in the whole
> house.
>
> --*Rob
>

Robert, it increases (or increased) your available bandwidth because at
the time SA Tivo DVR's didn't support any 802.11g wireless adapters
directly. The fastest they could support was 802.11b at 11 Mbps, not
because of any physical hardware limitation, but because they simply
didn't have the drivers.

Your gaming adapter converted a *wired* usb adapter, which supported 100
Mbps transfers (not that all the other parts of the Tivo could transmit
at that), to an 802.11g connection at 54 Mbps. Thus you got a 54 Mbps
wireless connection instead of an 11 Mbps connection (real world
transmission rates are considerably less).

Version 7.x of the Tivo software added additional driver support, so
there are a few 802.11g wireless adapters supported now, making the
wireless gaming adapters unnecessary if you get the right ones.

Randy S.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 13, 2005 1:02:45 AM

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Oh. but he is getting better performance than I am with a G wireless
USB, which is 54 MB. Robert, where did you find the TIVO forum information?
DAve

Randy S. wrote:
> Robert Usdin wrote:
>
>> The "game adapter" is a Linksys Wireless Game Adapter. See this page:
>>
>> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=...
>>
>>
>> It plugs INTO a regular wired network adapter (which is plugged into
>> your TIVO's USB port), using a standard networking cable. It basically
>> acts as a transmitter only, it does not do all of the networking stuff
>> itself. Again, I don't remember the technical reasons why this
>> increases bandwidth, but I can tell you that my speeds are very fast,
>> and others on the TIVO community forums have reported the same things.
>> Between that and the high gain antennas I used on my router from Radio
>> shack (see this page:
>> http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CT...)
>>
>> My speeds are quite fast and my signal is "excellent" in the whole
>> house.
>>
>> --*Rob
>>
>
> Robert, it increases (or increased) your available bandwidth because at
> the time SA Tivo DVR's didn't support any 802.11g wireless adapters
> directly. The fastest they could support was 802.11b at 11 Mbps, not
> because of any physical hardware limitation, but because they simply
> didn't have the drivers.
>
> Your gaming adapter converted a *wired* usb adapter, which supported 100
> Mbps transfers (not that all the other parts of the Tivo could transmit
> at that), to an 802.11g connection at 54 Mbps. Thus you got a 54 Mbps
> wireless connection instead of an 11 Mbps connection (real world
> transmission rates are considerably less).
>
> Version 7.x of the Tivo software added additional driver support, so
> there are a few 802.11g wireless adapters supported now, making the
> wireless gaming adapters unnecessary if you get the right ones.
>
> Randy S.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 13, 2005 11:30:37 AM

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DAve Allison wrote:
> Oh. but he is getting better performance than I am with a G wireless
> USB, which is 54 MB. Robert, where did you find the TIVO forum information?
> DAve

No, if you are using a supported 802.11g adapter, you will both be
getting identical peformance (assuming that the *software* performance
of both drivers are identical). It's just that your option wasn't
available until version 7 was released.

Randy S.
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 13, 2005 5:35:32 PM

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I got my info from the Tivo Community, the thread here on the "Ultimate
Wireless network":

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=1...

A lot of great info on that thread AND in the Tivo community in
general.

--*Rob
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 14, 2005 1:09:09 AM

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Robert Usdin wrote:
> I got my info from the Tivo Community, the thread here on the "Ultimate
> Wireless network":
>
> http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=1...
>
> A lot of great info on that thread AND in the Tivo community in
> general.
>
> --*Rob
>

Keep in mind the time-sensitive nature of this type of information.
Information relating to versions earlier than 7 may be incorrect or
incomplete as applied to version 7 and later. Specifically in this
case, the wireless gaming adapter is not required if you obtain the
proper wireless adapter. I don't know if that thread addresses that.

http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv...

Note that all the adapters listed on the front page are 802.11g adapters
now.

--
Randy S.
September 14, 2005 2:40:51 PM

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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:D g7t7m$12e8$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
> Robert Usdin wrote:
>> I got my info from the Tivo Community, the thread here on the "Ultimate
>> Wireless network":
>>
>> http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=1...
>>
>> A lot of great info on that thread AND in the Tivo community in
>> general.
>>
>> --*Rob
>>
>
> Keep in mind the time-sensitive nature of this type of information. Information relating to versions earlier than 7 may be
> incorrect or incomplete as applied to version 7 and later. Specifically in this case, the wireless gaming adapter is not required
> if you obtain the proper wireless adapter. I don't know if that thread addresses that.
>
> http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv...
>
> Note that all the adapters listed on the front page are 802.11g adapters now.
>
> --
> Randy S.


"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:D g7t7m$12e8$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu...
> Robert Usdin wrote:
>> I got my info from the Tivo Community, the thread here on the "Ultimate
>> Wireless network":
>>
>> http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?t=1...
>>
>> A lot of great info on that thread AND in the Tivo community in
>> general.
>>
>> --*Rob
>>
>
> Keep in mind the time-sensitive nature of this type of information. Information relating to versions earlier than 7 may be
> incorrect or incomplete as applied to version 7 and later. Specifically in this case, the wireless gaming adapter is not required
> if you obtain the proper wireless adapter. I don't know if that thread addresses that.
>
> http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv...
>
> Note that all the adapters listed on the front page are 802.11g adapters now.
>
> --
> Randy S.

Not all the adapters on the list are G, only the 2 with splats are G, the others
are B. Also, as noted by the splat, the G adapters cannot be use for p2p.

D-link DWL 120 version F (TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g (Really B)

D-Link DWL-122 802.11g (Really B)

D-Link DWL-G120 version B2* (TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g

Linksys WUSB12 802.11g (Really B)

Netgear WG111* Only serial numbers starting with WG72.
(TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g

*802.11g adapters can only be used if you have a home network.
If you would like to create a peer-to-peer network, use an 802.11b adapter

http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv...
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 14, 2005 6:04:01 PM

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> Not all the adapters on the list are G, only the 2 with splats are G, the others
> are B. Also, as noted by the splat, the G adapters cannot be use for p2p.
>
> D-link DWL 120 version F (TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g (Really B)
>
> D-Link DWL-122 802.11g (Really B)
>
> D-Link DWL-G120 version B2* (TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g
>
> Linksys WUSB12 802.11g (Really B)
>
> Netgear WG111* Only serial numbers starting with WG72.
> (TiVo Software Version 7.1 or later required) 802.11g
>
> *802.11g adapters can only be used if you have a home network.
> If you would like to create a peer-to-peer network, use an 802.11b adapter
>
> http://customersupport.tivo.com/knowbase/root/public/tv...
>
>

Sorry, Glen's correct, apparently Tivo has some typo's on that page, and
I didn't stop to check them out. Obviously it makes sense that only
that one's that require version 7.1 or later are 802.11g.

Randy S.
September 15, 2005 8:13:30 PM

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On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:26:23 GMT, "Robert" <nospam@spamfree.com>
wrote:

>I wonder what kind of speeds other people are getting when transferring
>recorded programs from TiVo to PC with wireless networking. It takes me
>about three hours to transfer a one-hour program recorded in High Quality.
>
>Anyone else?
>
>Thanks, Robert
>

That's about the best you'll do until Comcast takes over development
at TIVO.

Until then it's stone age type performance and features.

Sean
Anonymous
a b F Wireless
September 16, 2005 5:26:31 AM

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Sean <none> shaped the electrons to say:
>That's about the best you'll do until Comcast takes over development
>at TIVO.

Ah, glad to have you back, the group was far to factual and rational
without you. I missed your nonsense.

-MZ
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