Ear buds with noise cancelling and behind ear clips

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I currently have a 5-10 year old set of Bose noise cancelling
headphones that work great when I go to the gym. They do a very good
job of cancelling a lot of the exercise machine noises that are
ambient there. BUT over the ear isolating headsets are WAY TOO HOT
for exercising. I have to periodically take them off and let my ears
cool off.

So I'm figuring I'd like the active noise cancelling, BUT within an
ear bud. And not just any ear bud. It should have some sort of behind
the ear clip so that it stays in place when I'm moving around.

Short of having active noise cancelling I would settle for ear buds
(my understanding of the definition of ear buds is that they insert
into the ear canal, as opposed to the type that fit sort of
perpendicular to the ear) that are held in place with behind-the-ear
clips.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,
\Samson
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    "Samson" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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    > I currently have a 5-10 year old set of Bose noise cancelling
    > headphones that work great when I go to the gym. They do a very good
    > job of cancelling a lot of the exercise machine noises that are
    > ambient there. BUT over the ear isolating headsets are WAY TOO HOT
    > for exercising. I have to periodically take them off and let my ears
    > cool off.
    >
    > So I'm figuring I'd like the active noise cancelling, BUT within an
    > ear bud. And not just any ear bud. It should have some sort of behind
    > the ear clip so that it stays in place when I'm moving around.

    IME if you use in-ear monitors (the Shure E2, E3, etc mentioned by the other
    poster, Futuresonics, Etymotic, even Sony MDR EX71 or Koss "The Plug") and
    fit the ear piece correctly and tightly, they will stay in place even if you
    are very active.

    In-Ear Monitors are not ear buds that sit in front of the ear canal. If
    sized properly, they fit quite tightly. You can tell when they are tight
    enough, because that will make the bass snap in. If they are loose, they
    sound thin. They typically come with a number fittings so that you can match
    your ear canal properly.

    The custom-molded ear pieces are worth the money for many people, but they
    aren't cheap and they aren't absolutely required to get a good fit. With
    some earphones you can retrofit a molded earpiece if the IEM doesn't work
    out for you with the self-fitted inserts.
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    Thanks for the suggestions. As your suggestions are on the high end
    side I can assume you are somewhat of an audiophile. Admittedly I
    can't hear what you guys hear so it would be a waste of money for me.
    Plus I am often using these headphones to listen to podcasts of talk
    radio and low bit rate stuff so great quality is certainly not needed,
    I just need to get the background noise down to a level where I am not
    blasting the program material and wrecking my ears. I am not doing
    critical listening.

    I've found that the active noise cancelling on the Bose really does
    work well at the gym and for vacumning around the house. Referencing
    your suggestions I see that they don't have behind the ear clips so
    maybe they hold in the ear canal well enough that I don't have to
    concern myself with them coming off at the slightest nudge, like the
    type that sort of cup the indentation on the outside of the ear.
    Those type never stick well and fall out too easily. But maybe the
    ear buds (that's what I've heard them called) might hold better.

    I'll use part of your advise and try some in the under $50 range
    first.

    Thanks,
    \Samson
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    "Samson" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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    snip
    > Short of having active noise cancelling I would settle for ear buds
    > (my understanding of the definition of ear buds is that they insert
    > into the ear canal, as opposed to the type that fit sort of
    > perpendicular to the ear) that are held in place with behind-the-ear
    > clips.
    > Any recommendations?
    > Thanks,
    > \Samson

    I've tried the (relatively expensive) Sony Fontopia MDR-EX71 ear buds and
    was rather disappointed*, even after I added a headphone amplifier to my
    set-up and I'm pretty sure that I got a good seal. I note that Sony do not
    quote any sensitivity for these buds, but tell us what magnet material
    they're made from! (Have had better bass from the Sony over-ear hook types
    when gently pressed against the ear.)
    * and I've checked that ear wax isn't filling the small hole etc.

    Recently I found a pair of low cost (£5) EXCEL CD287 All-In-The-Ear Noise
    Reduction Stereo Earphones. (They're not ear buds.) For me, these work
    well. They're simply ear-phones with a sensibly designed soft plastic
    double seal around the tube to the inner ear. The seal has a good fit with
    my ears, and they stay in place and provide good bass.

    Haven't tried anything really expensive.
    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm
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    "Malcolm Stewart" <malcolm_stewart@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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    > I've tried the (relatively expensive) Sony Fontopia MDR-EX71 ear buds and
    > was rather disappointed*, even after I added a headphone amplifier to my
    > set-up and I'm pretty sure that I got a good seal.

    After writing the above, have tried the Sony MDR-EX71s again. Changing to
    the next larger ear-seal improves the seal and the sound, but they are now
    not as comfortable as before. Seems as though quite a high pressure is
    necessary for a seal good enough for low bass.
    (and the detailed instruction sheet, only accessible after breaking open the
    packing, does list the sensitivity)

    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm
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    "Malcolm Stewart" <malcolm_stewart@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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    > "Malcolm Stewart" <malcolm_stewart@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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    >
    >> I've tried the (relatively expensive) Sony Fontopia MDR-EX71 ear
    >> buds and was rather disappointed*, even after I added a headphone
    >> amplifier to my set-up and I'm pretty sure that I got a good seal.

    Are Sony Fontopia MDR-EX71 IEMs "relatively expensive"? I don't think so -
    in the larger scheme of things they are a notch above entry level. BTW, I'll
    give an example of "entry level" - Koss "The Plug" @ 19.95 street pricing.
    IEMs get interesting around $100.... and up!

    > After writing the above, have tried the Sony MDR-EX71s again.
    > Changing to the next larger ear-seal improves the seal and the sound,
    > but they are now not as comfortable as before.

    Can you get used to it?

    > Seems as though quite
    > a high pressure is necessary for a seal good enough for low bass.

    That seems to be a global truth. Note the people who advocate custom ear
    molds. One of the things they get for the money is a really good seal.

    > (and the detailed instruction sheet, only accessible after breaking
    > open the packing, does list the sensitivity)

    What is it?
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    "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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    > "Malcolm Stewart" <malcolm_stewart@megalith.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
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    > Are Sony Fontopia MDR-EX71 IEMs "relatively expensive"? I don't think
    so -
    > in the larger scheme of things they are a notch above entry level. BTW,
    I'll
    > give an example of "entry level" - Koss "The Plug" @ 19.95 street pricing.
    > IEMs get interesting around $100.... and up!

    It probably depends on what access one has to specialist suppliers. When I
    bought the EX71s they were easily the most expensive items on the (earphone)
    rack in the shop. Now that I seem to have got them to work better, the
    price will probably seem less significant!

    > > After writing the above, have tried the Sony MDR-EX71s again.
    > > Changing to the next larger ear-seal improves the seal and the sound,
    > > but they are now not as comfortable as before.
    >
    > Can you get used to it?

    Yes

    > > Seems as though quite
    > > a high pressure is necessary for a seal good enough for low bass.

    > That seems to be a global truth. Note the people who advocate custom ear
    > molds. One of the things they get for the money is a really good seal.

    I have a plastic custom ear mold for my over-the-ear hearing aid, and the
    seal is so poor that it whistles very easily. The hospital said that I have
    funny shaped ears, and nothing more could be done! (When listening via
    phones and without hearing aid, I attenuate the sound levels going to my
    left ear, and can now get a much better sensation of stereo than without. I
    use the SoundProfessionals "Headbanger" amplifier. In case you are
    wondering, I do not do this for a living <g> ...and it's a long time since
    I sat on a listening panel.)

    > > (and the detailed instruction sheet, only accessible after breaking
    > > open the packing, does list the sensitivity)
    >
    > What is it?

    100dB/mW; and 6Hz to 23,000Hz. (No limits listed for the frequency
    coverage.)

    Browsing in a different shop yesterday, it appears that identical, or near
    identical, bud style phones are available under a different name, Hitachi or
    Panasonic, can't remember which, but very similar price, £35.


    --
    M Stewart
    Milton Keynes, UK
    http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm
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