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Excuuuse me if this is dumb, but I can't seem to figure it out. I like
to use a stereo pre-amp in my Digital Audio Workstation. You have to
hook up the computer sound card like you would connect a tape deck, or
else you will be connecting the sound card input and output together,
which of course doesn't work. You can use the "tape monitoring" switch
on the pre-amp with a tape recorder, but with a sound card "tape
monitoring" again connects the sound card's input and output together.
Does Windows XP have any settings which affect this? Is this a sound
card "full-duplex" issue or something?

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On 5 Apr 2005 09:15:11 -0700, bcrowell@excite.com wrote:

>Excuuuse me if this is dumb, but I can't seem to figure it out. I like
>to use a stereo pre-amp in my Digital Audio Workstation. You have to
>hook up the computer sound card like you would connect a tape deck, or
>else you will be connecting the sound card input and output together,
>which of course doesn't work. You can use the "tape monitoring" switch
>on the pre-amp with a tape recorder, but with a sound card "tape
>monitoring" again connects the sound card's input and output together.
>Does Windows XP have any settings which affect this? Is this a sound
>card "full-duplex" issue or something?


Tell us just what you're trying to do? What DAW software are you
using? What sound card?

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BC,

> I like to use a stereo pre-amp in my Digital Audio Workstation. <

I'm not sure what use that will serve. The main feature of a stereo preamp
is multiple input selection, and to amplify the tiny signals from a phono
cartridge. With a DAW you usually want two different types of preamp: One
type is for microphones, and it should have phantom power if your
microphones require this. The other type is for use as a "direct box" such
as an electric bass that needs 10-30 dB of gain and a very high input
impedance. So it seems to me you'll do much better with a small Mackie mixer
or an equivalent.

Have a look at my article "Using a Mixer with a DAW," first in the list
here:

www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html

This should answer a lot of your questions.

--Ethan

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Thank you very much for the reply, Ethan. I read your article and
thought it most excellent. I also showed it to a professional audio
production man, whose skills I respect, and he also really liked it and
learned new things from it.
Your article made me realize that I need to learn a lot more about
mixing and recording. I don't think I have enough knowledge yet to
really understand everything you are saying in your article. So,
anyway, I am bound and determined to add a multi-channel I/O sound card
to my computer. After a cursory search, the only one I found was the
SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro. Are there any others that you
would recommend? Thanks again for the excellent article. I am going
to read the other things you've written, too.

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BC,

> Your article made me realize that I need to learn a lot more about mixing
and recording. I don't think I have enough knowledge yet to really
understand everything you are saying in your article. <

It's not that complicated, but maybe it seems so after only one reading.
Audio routing is identical to plumbing in a home. Pipes get routed from here
to there, with valves (volume and pan controls) in between. It really is as
simple as that. But there are a few more pipes in a mixer than in most
homes. And plumbing deals only with hot and cold water, where a mixer has
input channels, output busses, sends and returns, etc. But it's exactly the
same kind of logic.

> I am bound and determined to add a multi-channel I/O sound card to my
computer ... the only one I found was the SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS Platinum
Pro. <

That's a stereo card, no? Unless you need to record more than two sources at
once, an Audigy will do fine. The M-Audio Audiophile cards are a good choice
too. If you plan to record more than one or two things *at the same time*
you need something like the M-Audio Delta 66 or Delta 1010 or similar that
has more than two inputs.

--Ethan

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Thanks again, Ethan. And yes, you are right, I like to use the stereo
hi-fi preamp mainly as a switching device, and since I like to record
vinyl as mp3, so I need the phono preamp. But is there some other
device that you prefer as a switcher??

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B,

> I like to use the stereo hi-fi preamp mainly as a switching device, and
since I like to record vinyl as mp3, so I need the phono preamp. <

Then there you go, you're all set with what you have. To interface that with
a computer you'll send the receiver's Tape Out to the sound card's input,
and the sound card's output to the Tape In. That avoids a potential feedback
loop no matter what input you select to hear and record, and basically sets
up the computer as a tape recorder which is what you want.

--Ethan

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bcrowell@excite.com wrote:

> Thanks again, Ethan. And yes, you are right, I like to use the
stereo
> hi-fi preamp mainly as a switching device, and since I like to
record
> vinyl as mp3, so I need the phono preamp.

Been there, done that. Since I typically record with standard audio
production audio interfaces which are happiest running at +4 levels
and lack input level controls, I mostly use the main output of the
Preamp.

> But is there some other device that you prefer as a switcher??

Oh, yeah. I love to record with my little MXB 1002 mixer. But my
typical applications are different from yours - I do a lot of
recording of live performances.

For transcriptions of vinyl I use either my Conrad Johnson or Holman
preamp. For transcribing cassettes I run the output of the cassette
deck directly into the line inputs of the computer's audio interface.

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