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May 24, 2002 11:13:39 AM

Whenever shall it happen? SCSI is moving away from 10,000 and on to 15,000. We normal non-rich people might be able to afford SCSI if it wasn't for the card (I think Adaptec's latest Ultra160 SCSI card is like $300 without tax - maybe we could if the card was $50 and the drives cost twice as much).

With the arrival of ATA-133, this sounds like a good idea (supposedly 7200 RPM is barely able to achieve maximum rates on ATA-100). Speaking of which, will anyone besides Maxtor be making ATA-133?

And shouldn't we start seeing at least 4MB caches in upcoming drives?

I think alot of people would be pretty suprised on how much faster transfer times are, and how long it takes their computer to load with a 1GHz ThunderBird with a 15,000 SCSI, than a 2100+ Athlon on a 5400 ATA-66 drive.

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May 24, 2002 5:51:18 PM

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supposedly 7200 RPM is barely able to achieve maximum rates on ATA-100


7200RPM can't even sustain ATA66, let alone ATA100 or ATA133.

WD has 8MB cache drives, they're starting to put them in smaller versions too.

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May 24, 2002 6:27:50 PM

Yes, I know WD had them in the really big drives (like 120GB). I read that article on here that said they out performed SCSI drives on certain manners.

But aside from that most drives in that area only have a 2MB.

Is it correct that the maximum standard transfer rate for 7200 RPM is 13MB, and the burst rate is approx 60MB (on reads)?
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May 24, 2002 7:54:40 PM

The sustained is decently higher on newer drives, and the burst a bit higher.

WD released an 80GB version of the drive with an 8MB buffer.

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May 25, 2002 10:42:26 PM

I've heard all the the lastest WD drives can sustain 50MB/s.

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May 27, 2002 5:56:38 AM

im figuring we wont see 10k ide drives untill the tech sector picks up alot.
and even then... still will be a while.

heat issues, and profitability of the scsi line are big factors too.

though with luck more than just WJ will have 8mb caches soon.

a 120GXP with 8mb cache... ild love to see that.

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May 28, 2002 6:46:46 PM

Not bad, a couple of those in RAID 0 wouldn't be bad. Too bad they're WD, and only the 80GB and up versions :frown:

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May 29, 2002 1:29:37 AM

At www.storagereview.com they have an article on Fujitsu's new scsi's that will be out in july. Seems like I heard that they will be fairly cheap too. Do you think serial ATA will have 10k rpm drives?

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May 29, 2002 1:48:22 AM

What's wrong with Western Digital?

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May 29, 2002 4:48:45 AM

I like WD. I don't know of anything wrong with them. They had problems several years ago
but all makers go through bad times and it they didn't push forward, we would still have
5ΒΌ floppy drives.

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May 29, 2002 5:11:35 PM

I've never had good experience with WD. I'm not as against them as Crash, though.

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May 30, 2002 12:30:00 AM

I haven't seen a significantly higher than normal failure rate on new WD drives, it's just that it seems their warrantee replacement drives are purposely bugged to break after about 90-180 days. So their warrantee is close to worthless, which is why I don't recommend them.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
May 30, 2002 4:43:00 AM

What is the latest WD drives you have seen trouble with?

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May 30, 2002 12:22:45 PM

The biggest and latest 10,000-rpm HDDs are from Seagate and Fujitsu.

36GB per platter, 18GB per side. 144GB with 4 platters.

Maybe Serial ATA II HDDs will go up to 10,000RPM next year or in 2004.

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May 30, 2002 2:10:01 PM

An 8.4GB replacement drive with a Jan 2001 build date that died last June. Since last June I've been liquidating my stock, so no more problems (no more new replacement drives to have problems with). But between May of 2000 and June of 2001, 5 out of 6 replacement drives I got from WD died within 6 months. 4 of them died within my standard 90 warantee period on used systems.

What's the frequency, Kenneth?
May 30, 2002 3:28:12 PM

Intel and most HDD manufacturers have been ignoring Parallel ATA-133. They all want to go directly to Serial ATA 150 (150MB/s or 1500Mbps).

I have Adaptec 29160W, the 64-bit PCI version. I thought it costs around $100 in the US market, no?

Since Western Digital already has made 8MB standard in its latest 80GB, 100GB, and 120GB models, Maxtor, Seagate, and Samsung have only two ways to go, to offer the same 8MB in their future drives, or to offer 16MB instead.

Hm... Seagate's 15K.3 and Fujitsu MAS have 8 or 16MB buffer and use SCSI320 or FC 2Gbps interface, Fluid Dynamic Bearing, and 18GB platter.

15K.3 18GB for $289?

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