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I've got an old pair of Jansen speakers with the electrostatic
tweeters. They're four array radiator types.( four inch square or so
with four to a box.)
I'm thinking about putting them in another speaker box project I'm
working on and could use some advice from any who've had any
experience with these type of tweeters.
One of the individual radiators is badly damaged and I was thinking of
paring them down from four to just three as it might be impossible to
get replacement parts for anything this old. This shouldn't be a
problem should it?
Also they've got a heavy buildup of grime on them from extended
storage. What's the best way to clean them off? (I was thinking a bit
of simple green followed by rinsing with water, then blowing off with
compressed air. Or would it be safe to use a contact cleaner?
Thanks in advance for any info regarding these units.

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:43:36 -0500, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote:

>One of the individual radiators is badly damaged and I was thinking of
>paring them down from four to just three as it might be impossible to
>get replacement parts for anything this old. This shouldn't be a
>problem should it?

The coupling transformer is designed for 4 cells, not 3. At best you'll have
a 25 % impedance mismatch on the secondary... I would suggest a rebuild, or,
at least a diaphragm change.

>Also they've got a heavy buildup of grime on them from extended
>storage. What's the best way to clean them off?

You should dismantle the drivers, clean and dry everything plastic save the
diaphragms, then maybe change the diaphragms. Jantzen spares are nearly
impossible to find, but home made units based on Saran wrap lightly rubbed
with finely powdered graphite can be fine, check the web for some how-to's.
You can then re-assemble the units, test them and enjoy them.

>(I was thinking a bit
>of simple green followed by rinsing with water, then blowing off with
>compressed air. Or would it be safe to use a contact cleaner?

Don't do anything like this : you'd damage or destroy the units.

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In article <bubv51d4fglbffgdutvn0skht1lt052b2b@4ax.com>,
François Yves Le Gal <flegal@aingeal.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:43:36 -0500, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
>diaphragms, then maybe change the diaphragms. Jantzen spares are nearly
>impossible to find, but home made units based on Saran wrap lightly rubbed

Janzen Z130's are sold all the time on eBay; I've seen Janzen speakers with
the newer version also.

I have two 1950's Janzen full-range speakers which I think have two of the
old panels being used as supports for a desk. I also have a NOS Janzen,
never version I think, in a box somewhere.

Mike Squires
--

Mike Squires (mikes at cs.indiana.edu) 317 233 9456 (w) 812 333 6564 (h)
mikes at siralan.org 546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:20:15 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
<flegal@aingeal.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 04:43:36 -0500, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote:
>
>>One of the individual radiators is badly damaged and I was thinking of
>>paring them down from four to just three as it might be impossible to
>>get replacement parts for anything this old. This shouldn't be a
>>problem should it?
>
>The coupling transformer is designed for 4 cells, not 3. At best you'll have
>a 25 % impedance mismatch on the secondary... I would suggest a rebuild, or,
>at least a diaphragm change.
>
>>Also they've got a heavy buildup of grime on them from extended
>>storage. What's the best way to clean them off?
>
>You should dismantle the drivers, clean and dry everything plastic save the
>diaphragms, then maybe change the diaphragms. Jantzen spares are nearly
>impossible to find, but home made units based on Saran wrap lightly rubbed
>with finely powdered graphite can be fine, check the web for some how-to's.
>You can then re-assemble the units, test them and enjoy them.
>
>>(I was thinking a bit
>>of simple green followed by rinsing with water, then blowing off with
>>compressed air. Or would it be safe to use a contact cleaner?
>
>Don't do anything like this : you'd damage or destroy the units.
>
Thanks for the info.
One of the units is cracked along the edge. Will this effect it's
function? I did manage to flex it back into shape and all else about
it seems fine.(looks like some of hired help had tried to pry them out
and cracked it. The speakers had been in storage in the back of my
warehouse for some years.)
Do you have any links to sites on these tweeters and how to
dismantle/service them?
Also if I use Saran wrap you mention rubbing with graphite powder?
Excuse my denseness, while I'm very profficient in repair of most
things electronic, my knowledge on electrostats is scant.
Why the rub with graphite?
Would it be better to use a good grade of mylar and film and perhaps
use an adhesive to coat it with the graphite?( I'm guessing that the
graphite is to improve the acoustic qualities of the mylar film)
I do have the equipment to do microfilm coating so I'd be able to put
down the adhesive really fine.(1-3 mils)
Then use a micro spray-gun to dust down the graphite.
Thanks again for the assist.

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On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 11:11:54 -0500, none <Vampyres@nettaxi.com> wrote:

>One of the units is cracked along the edge. Will this effect it's
>function?

Possible.

>Do you have any links to sites on these tweeters and how to
>dismantle/service them?

Nope.

>Why the rub with graphite?

In order to slightly rise surface conductivity.

>Would it be better to use a good grade of mylar and film and perhaps
>use an adhesive to coat it with the graphite?

Nope, rubbing is enough.

BTW, another contributor suggested getting some spares thru eBay or other
sources? This is a good idea.

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