Ipod Mini vs Zen Micro

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"Stevey" <stevey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Which of these two players is better?
>
>

That's like asking which is better? Gorgonzola or stilton?
They both stink.......

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On Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:39:52 GMT, "Stevey" <stevey@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Which of these two players is better?

I don't know the specific models. But, as a basic principle any ipod
will be (a) overpriced and (b) may be tricky to use with anything
except a mac.

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:48:11 GMT, T <tberk@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Seems the software for the Mini comes in both Apple Mac and IBM Clone
>versions.

So did the software for the original iPod. I got called out by
several PC users to make it work. Often the best I could do was to
get it functioning between crashes.

>
>Looks like the Creative Zen Micro is PC only. It has won some sort of
>award, but hasn't every thing?
>
>As for price, it looks like a $20 difference to me.

So other makers are creeping up to the iPod price point, are they?
Understandable.


>
>Careful not to jump to conclusions based on propaganda.


Propaganda tells me Apple products, although pricey, are easy to use
and faultless. Experience tells me otherwise.

Ever installed an iPod? The packaging must cost more than the
product. Nothing wrong in going for the fashion market. I install
iPods because the trendy young Miss wouldn't be happy without the
logo. It's been Apple's salvation. But recognise it.

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Laurence Payne <lp@laurenceNOSPAMpaynr.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 10:48:11 GMT, T <tberk@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >Seems the software for the Mini comes in both Apple Mac and IBM Clone
> >versions.
>
> So did the software for the original iPod. I got called out by
> several PC users to make it work. Often the best I could do was to
> get it functioning between crashes.

It's kind of hard to say who's fault that is, isn't it?
I spent a lot of time to prove to MS that features in MS products are
not working as advertised.

....
> >Careful not to jump to conclusions based on propaganda.
>
>
> Propaganda tells me Apple products, although pricey,

if you want to get paid for your time, a Macintosh almost always will be
cheaper.

> are easy to use
> and faultless

Easy to use: yes, faultless: no, of course not.

> Experience tells me otherwise.

Not my experience though.


> Ever installed an iPod? The packaging must cost more than the
> product.

You seem to overestimate what packaging costs.
Nice looking packaging cost mostly because you have to put some work in
it to make it look nice (design), but not because of production cost.
For large volumes the design costs tend to become negligeable.

But there's nothing to keep you buying another machine of course :-)

Marc

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"mui" <muikane16@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan Rutlidge <rutlidge@ wrote:
> > "Stevey" <stevey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:YZc8e.1320$c4.109@newsfe3-win.ntli.net...
> >
> >>Which of these two players is better?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > That's like asking which is better? Gorgonzola or stilton?
> > They both stink.......
> >
> >
>
> If your looking for a good Hard drive player, I'd say the Cowon M3L or
> Cowon in general is a good bet. They make some really nice machines.
> Typical Korean machines but they make em nice.
>
> check www.iaudiophile.net for some reviews on the M3L. Or the M5 even.
> Dont let the pictures fool you. The thing is just as small as an ipod.

I'll second that; my iAudio M3 ($260 shipped from newegg.com) is simply
excellent.

The in-line remote means you can pop the main unit in your pocket (or your
gym bag, whatever) and clip the remote to your shirt. The little LCD screen
is on the remote.

I sprung for a pair of Koss Portapros and the sound is unbelieveably good.
I've never had a portable player that could go loud enough for me; the M3
does.

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"Laurence Payne" <lp@laurenceNOSPAMpaynr.freeserve.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:32:45 +0100, Tony Gartshore <him@there.com>
> wrote:
>
> >As for your experience telling you that an Ipod mini isn't easy to use..
How much simpler
> >could it be ?
>
> Easy enough to use. Not, in my experience, all that easy to interface
> to a PC.

Bought one yesterday. No trouble at all and I didn't read the instructions.
Now experimenting with the AAC stuff.

gr, hwh

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Stevey wrote:
> Which of these two players is better?

Ipod mini is slightly smaller. My G/F has one but the batter life isn't
up to much. I've got a bigger 40Gb Zen, but the software is just as
easy IMO to use. (no problems running the two side by side on my
laptop)
Neither crashes on my laptop, I like the look of the zen micro and I
beleive it has a radio too?
Ipod is a pain when it comes to (eventual) swapping of the battery, zen
a doddle.
Go to dixons and have a try to see what you think.

Doc

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"hwh" in
rec.audio.tech<4262a23a$0$146$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>:
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: "Laurence Payne" <lp@laurenceNOSPAMpaynr.freeserve.co.uk> schreef in bericht
: news:em256110es67ga59d2sl1jca6h5aduos80@4ax.com...
: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:32:45 +0100, Tony Gartshore <him@there.com>
: > wrote:
: >
: > >As for your experience telling you that an Ipod mini isn't easy to use..
: How much simpler
: > >could it be ?
: >
: > Easy enough to use. Not, in my experience, all that easy to interface
: > to a PC.
:
: Bought one yesterday. No trouble at all and I didn't read the instructions.
: Now experimenting with the AAC stuff.
:
: gr, hwh

With a friends Mac iPod interfaced seamlessly on a Win98SE PC with
a trial download of http://www.mediafour.com/products/xplay/ - in Explorer
- I then used Winamp 5.0x to play some of his AAC .m4u files natively.
Much nicer modern interface than the old versions, if not quite iTunes.

Sadly I shortly after lost the lot in a disk failure. Still, it works.

Didn't have so much luck with a freeware one, for some reason, then.
http://www.ephpod.com/download.shtml

Other programs rip or convert to mp4 / AAC, and it seems good to me.