Phillips 75 ohm antenna input - what style connector is th..

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Hello,

A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips uses,
or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what this
connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?


thanks,

Dave

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David Forsyth <foda01@ncx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
> cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
> labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
> style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips uses,
> or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
> America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
> diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
> looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what this
> connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?

Don't know for sure, but it sounds like a car audio antenna connector,
kind of a long banana plug with a shield. If this is it, you should be
able to get (or make) adaptors from somewhere like Parts Express.

Here's the plug I'm thinking of:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/sho [...] er=090-455

Colin

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"David Forsyth" <foda01@ncx.com> wrote in message
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> Hello,
>
> A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
> cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
> labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
> style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips
> uses,
> or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
> America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
> diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
> looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what
> this
> connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?

**It is called a 'PAL connector' and is very common throughout the PAL
(obviously) television world.

http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/07_22.pdf Part# AD320 is what you
require. I have no idea where you can purchase in your area.

--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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"harrogate2" <harrogate2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Trevor Wilson" <trevor@SPAMBLOCKrageaudio.com.au> wrote in message
> news:426577e6@news.comindico.com.au...
>>
>> "David Forsyth" <foda01@ncx.com> wrote in message
>> news:YfqdnSUBV9h7rPjfRVn-ig@nni.com...
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he
> bought for
>> > cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna
> input is
>> > labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm
> coaxial "F"
>> > style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that
> Phillips
>> > uses,
>> > or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here
> in North
>> > America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10
> mm in
>> > diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in
> diameter. I am
>> > looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know
> what
>> > this
>> > connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?
>>
>> **It is called a 'PAL connector' and is very common throughout the
> PAL
>> (obviously) television world.
>>
>> http://www.wagner.net.au/Catalogue/07_22.pdf Part# AD320 is what
> you
>> require. I have no idea where you can purchase in your area.
>>
>> --
>> Trevor Wilson
>> www.rageaudio.com.au
>>
>>
>
> Actually you may call it a PAL connector, but it is more usually known
> as a standard 75R TV plug in Europe, and in the UK is sometimes known
> as a 'Belling-Lee' co-ax plug after the company that originally
> designed it umpteen years ago.

**Indeed. It is now commonly called a 'PAL connector'.

>
> There should be no difficulty in getting one - www.maplin.co.uk should
> be able to supply (they are cheap so get a few in case you make it up
> wrong!) under item number YW08.

**Unfortunately, the original poster is probably in the US. I supplied a
link to a picture of the correct item to convert an F connector to a PAL
connector.

>
> If you are using the common 7mm co-ax that will fit a 'standard'
> F-type plug then it will fit easily. Disassemble the plug and slide
> the collar over the outer of the cable. Remove about 25mm of outer and
> carefully slide the clamp over the braid with the 'jaws' towards the
> collar and covering the outer. (Remove any foil if you are using sat
> cable.) Push the braid back over the clamp - [this is a mistake many
> people make (including many TV aerial installers!) - if the braid is
> under the clamp then (a) it is not trapped and the plug can be pulled
> off the cable and (b) there can be poor contact] - and trim off any
> excess. Remove the centre insulation to about 6mm above the
> braid/clamp and push it up the centre pin of the plug body. Whilst
> holding the body firmly in place against the clamp, pull the collar
> over the clamp and screw the body parts together. Snip off any excess
> centre core and - if you wish, although it is not strictly necessary -
> solder it to the centre pin at the tip using as little heat as
> possible.

**Far easier to use a convertor plug, if available. I don't know what the
availability of such items are in the US. I've sent a message to a TV serice
buddy in the US, but he is notoriously slow at responding.

>
> Apologies if I am preaching to the converted, but if you are not
> familiar with a B/L plug then you may be equally unaware how to fit
> one.

**I certainly know. My procedure takes less time than it took to read your
description (I shudder to imagine the incompetence of the TV guys you speak
of). Though I have about a hundred Bucks worth of tools to make my life
easier. The cable stripper is set up to remove exactly the right amount of
insulation (and foil). The crimper is fast and makes a perfect connection
every time. It takes me about 30 seconds to strip and crimp either F or PAL
connectors (and sometimes RCA connectors).

PS: I just timed it on some cable. It actually took me 14 seconds. I reckon
I could get it down to 10 without much effort.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

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"Trevor Wilson" writes in
rec.audio.tech<426577e6@news.comindico.com.au>:
:
: "David Forsyth" <foda01@ncx.com> wrote in message
: news:YfqdnSUBV9h7rPjfRVn-ig@nni.com...
: > Hello,
: >
: > A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
: > cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
: > labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
: > style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips
: > uses,
: > or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
: > America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
: > diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
: > looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what
: > this
: > connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?
:
: **It is called a 'PAL connector' and is very common throughout the PAL
: (obviously) television world.

Obviously in Australia. Yet here in NZ, also with PAL TV, I learned to
call them merely 75 ohm "RF connectors"; they might also be found on FM
tuners, or receivers, of a certain period, as well as TV's and VCR's.
--
RdM

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(Don Pearce) remarked in
rec.audio.tech<42677b29.45481218@news.plus.net>:

: On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:56:10 +1200, RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zn> wrote:
:
: >"Trevor Wilson" writes in
: >rec.audio.tech<426577e6@news.comindico.com.au>:
: >:
: >: "David Forsyth" <foda01@ncx.com> wrote in message
: >: news:YfqdnSUBV9h7rPjfRVn-ig@nni.com...
: >: > Hello,
: >: >
: >: > A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
: >: > cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
: >: > labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
: >: > style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips
: >: > uses,
: >: > or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
: >: > America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
: >: > diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
: >: > looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what
: >: > this
: >: > connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?
: >:
: >: **It is called a 'PAL connector' and is very common throughout the PAL
: >: (obviously) television world.
: >
: >Obviously in Australia. Yet here in NZ, also with PAL TV, I learned to
: >call them merely 75 ohm "RF connectors"; they might also be found on FM
: >tuners, or receivers, of a certain period, as well as TV's and VCR's.
:
: These are Belling & Lee RF connectors. Built to a price rather than a
: spec.

I did gather that, but meant to merely note the local version, B&L or not!

The connectors (m&f) seemed ubiquitous for a time, and my two HiFi VHS
(one nicam, one <german/aussie/fm> ) VCR's, older receivers of Jap ilk, and
Sony S570ES tuner has them;- "RF" seemed enough, without a brand name!

Still, if they make contact, they may do the job ...

Cheers!
--
RdM

"When a person can no longer laugh at himself,
it is time for others to laugh at him". -- Thomas Szasz

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donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce) writes:

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 21:56:10 +1200, RdM <rdm@orcon.net.zn> wrote:
>
> >"Trevor Wilson" writes in
> >rec.audio.tech<426577e6@news.comindico.com.au>:
> >:
> >: "David Forsyth" <foda01@ncx.com> wrote in message
> >: news:YfqdnSUBV9h7rPjfRVn-ig@nni.com...
> >: > Hello,
> >: >
> >: > A friend of mine has a Phillips DVD / surround system that he bought for
> >: > cheap somewhere. It has an FM tuner in it, and the FM antenna input is
> >: > labeled 75 ohms, but the connector is not the standard 75 ohm coaxial "F"
> >: > style. I suspect that it is either a proprietary style that Phillips
> >: > uses,
> >: > or more likely a European style that we don't generally see here in North
> >: > America. It has a push-on type (unthreaded) outer ring about 10 mm in
> >: > diameter. There is a hollow center pin of about 2.5 mm in diameter. I am
> >: > looking for a way to adapt it to the "F" style. Does anyone know what
> >: > this
> >: > connector might be, and who makes an adapter for it?
> >:
> >: **It is called a 'PAL connector' and is very common throughout the PAL
> >: (obviously) television world.
> >
> >Obviously in Australia. Yet here in NZ, also with PAL TV, I learned to
> >call them merely 75 ohm "RF connectors"; they might also be found on FM
> >tuners, or receivers, of a certain period, as well as TV's and VCR's.
>
> These are Belling & Lee RF connectors. Built to a price rather than a
> spec.

Those are also called "IEC antenna connector" on some electronice
catalogues. They are also called at some places Euro TV antenna connector.
Defiantely those connectors lack a good name.

Description from http://www.hz-ctg.com/coaxial_cable_4.htm
"IEC antenna connector": This is a very low-cost high volume 75 ohm
connector used for TV and radio antenna connections around Europe.

From http://www.epanorama.net/links/wir [...] xconnector
IEC antenna connector": This is a very low-cost high volume 75 ohm
connector used for TV and radio antenna connections around
Europe. This connector is primarily designed for antenna signal input
primarily into consumer audio and video equipment. The typical
frequency range this is used is 0-1 GHz. This connector can be found
on both equipment and on fixed wiring wall outlets in Europe. The
connector is defined in IEC 169-2 standard.


--
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Take a look at my electronics web links and documents at
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