I am trying to reach Gary Tait...

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anyone know an address for him? Thanks, Joe

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On Sun, 09 May 2004 15:58:30 GMT, "JW" <jweb@swbell.net> wrote:

>anyone know an address for him? Thanks, Joe
>

Lets talk.

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On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:54:04 GMT, "JW" <jweb@swbell.net> wrote:

>Gary, I have been monitoring this NG for a little while and you seem to be
>the Guru in terms of knowledge of DVB/FTA

I am not exatcly a Guru.

> equipment. If you will help me my question is: I have a working BUD (no
>k band) that consists of a 10.5 mesh dish, 20 degree Polarotor LNB,
>Superjack actuator and a GI 450i receiver. When I installed this I ran
>composite cable that has a unused RG6 cable in it. I think I would like to
>set up a FTA system integrated into my setup. Can you advise me as to what
>all I would need to do this if my present equipment is adequate? I would
>even appreciate your recommendation on any brand/models you like. Thanks in
>advance, Joe Webb in the Dallas Tx area.


You can just get a DC block splitter and split the C-band LNB between
your existing C-band IRD and the DVB receiver. To get th most of DVB,
you should upgrade to a C/Ku feedhorn, or get a motorised Ku dish.


>"Gary Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.cominvalid> wrote in message
>news:7auv90tit404vpsq2j7p6a3mcbphbkfij7@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 09 May 2004 15:58:30 GMT, "JW" <jweb@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >anyone know an address for him? Thanks, Joe
>> >
>>
>> Lets talk.
>

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On Sun, 16 May 2004 22:12:34 GMT, ":\)" <@shaw.ca> wrote:

>Hey Gary, are you running Direct TV currently? Can you send me a link for
>the P4 hack??
>
Nope, have Starchoice.

>"Gary Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.cominvalid> wrote in message
>news:i694a0pmtbbqkq86gnvsapqn5v545f7dcr@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 11 May 2004 16:54:04 GMT, "JW" <jweb@swbell.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Gary, I have been monitoring this NG for a little while and you seem to
>be
>> >the Guru in terms of knowledge of DVB/FTA
>>
>> I am not exatcly a Guru.
>>
>> > equipment. If you will help me my question is: I have a working BUD
>(no
>> >k band) that consists of a 10.5 mesh dish, 20 degree Polarotor LNB,
>> >Superjack actuator and a GI 450i receiver. When I installed this I ran
>> >composite cable that has a unused RG6 cable in it. I think I would like
>to
>> >set up a FTA system integrated into my setup. Can you advise me as to
>what
>> >all I would need to do this if my present equipment is adequate? I would
>> >even appreciate your recommendation on any brand/models you like. Thanks
>in
>> >advance, Joe Webb in the Dallas Tx area.
>>
>>
>> You can just get a DC block splitter and split the C-band LNB between
>> your existing C-band IRD and the DVB receiver. To get th most of DVB,
>> you should upgrade to a C/Ku feedhorn, or get a motorised Ku dish.
>>
>>
>> >"Gary Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.cominvalid> wrote in message
>> >news:7auv90tit404vpsq2j7p6a3mcbphbkfij7@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 09 May 2004 15:58:30 GMT, "JW" <jweb@swbell.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >anyone know an address for him? Thanks, Joe
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Lets talk.
>> >
>>
>

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>> Hey Gary, are you running Direct TV currently?
>> Can you send me a link for the P4 hack??

Gary Tait
> Nope, have Starchoice.

Gary Tait has a Starchoice hack ??

Perhaps I've misunderstood... ;-)

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I don't pirate anything but if you really think that the reason prices are
going up your pretty naive. C band prices are going up and nobody is
pirating the VCII+


"Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> There's abigt difference between "paying" for "grey\black market"
> programming and "stealing it!"
>
> There is no "hack(a mental coverup for "stealing" )" for Star
> Choice,thankfully,because thieves drive the prices up for everybody!
>
> IF one is receiving DTV,Dishnet,BEV without paying for it -it is STEALING!
>
> btw: this ng is for mpeg-2\dvb fta tv,not DBS.
>
> "BEV Subscriber" <bev_subscriber@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c919465b.0405171521.49e35861@posting.google.com...
> > "Valdivar"
> > > If you did,you would know that we C banders
> > > have NO time for satellite tv thieves and
> > > believe in paying for our programming!
> >
> > I hope that you're not paying for C-band from an unlicensed provider;
> > that's illegal in Kanada. Is there even such a thing as a legal C-band
> > provider in Kanada?
> >
> > What if I watch PBS on Ku-band FTA, but I send in a donation?
> >
> > Thankfully, it looks like Bill C-2 will die on the order table. Who to
> > vote for, who to vote for...?
>
>

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I wasn't referring to C band,I was referring to the reference made excusing
away "hacking."

It's "STEALING" whether it's DTV,Dishnet,Expressvu,or some other business
and it hurts EVERYBODY!

Millions of dollars are lost by businesses EVERY YEAR through THEFT,because
of loss and the costs involved in trying to prevent stealing and paying out
for increased security measures!

What makes you so sure that the rising costs of C band program are not in
any way affected by by all the satellite tv signal stealing that went on
before vc2+?

Do you not think GI\MO had to spend any money to put a stop to all that -and
we are now paying for it?

I'd venture a "yesy" to that one,myself!

"JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> I don't pirate anything but if you really think that the reason prices are
> going up your pretty naive. C band prices are going up and nobody is
> pirating the VCII+
>
>
> "Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5geqc.14006$qJ5.383813@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > There's abigt difference between "paying" for "grey\black market"
> > programming and "stealing it!"
> >
> > There is no "hack(a mental coverup for "stealing" )" for Star
> > Choice,thankfully,because thieves drive the prices up for everybody!
> >
> > IF one is receiving DTV,Dishnet,BEV without paying for it -it is
STEALING!
> >
> > btw: this ng is for mpeg-2\dvb fta tv,not DBS.
> >
> > "BEV Subscriber" <bev_subscriber@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:c919465b.0405171521.49e35861@posting.google.com...
> > > "Valdivar"
> > > > If you did,you would know that we C banders
> > > > have NO time for satellite tv thieves and
> > > > believe in paying for our programming!
> > >
> > > I hope that you're not paying for C-band from an unlicensed provider;
> > > that's illegal in Kanada. Is there even such a thing as a legal C-band
> > > provider in Kanada?
> > >
> > > What if I watch PBS on Ku-band FTA, but I send in a donation?
> > >
> > > Thankfully, it looks like Bill C-2 will die on the order table. Who to
> > > vote for, who to vote for...?
> >
> >
>
>

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I'm not advocating theft.
That's funny about heron though. however true. Since the beginning of the
so called drug war the price of all illegal drugs supposedly has come down
and is more pure and easier to acquire. The drug war has been a total
failer. Much like I expect the war on terror to be.


"DRLev" <fake,@ddress.net> wrote in message
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> Greed is something that the uplinkers and thieves have in common.
> Given that the uplinkers are greedy, some far more than others, this
> is still not a rationalization for theft.
>
> Some drugs are not as expensive as they were 10 years ago.
> The price of heroin has dropped tremendously in the past 5 years.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:10al2d13nhpbe30@corp.supernews.com...
> | After the VCII was released was there any reason to spend more on
antipiracy
> | of the VCII+ There was nothing further to do. I venture to say that if
ALL
> | signal piracy was to suddenly magically end today. The price would
reflect
> |
>
>

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Gary Tait has cut back on his typo count:
> Most people steal TV to steal TV, not as
> protest to government regulations.

I agree with that. 'Most' - not all.

> If they supported foreign provider and
> their belived right to have them, they
> would be doing what they can to subscribe
> to them.

You and Vladimir seem to miss the point that it is apparently illegal
in Kanada to subscribe to any 'unlicensed' satellite provider. This is
due to the Gumment's desire to control what you watch (Cdn content).
Thus, I CAN'T (!!!!) subscribe to Dish or DTV. If there was any
practical way to subscribe to a US provider, I would in a heartbeat
(probably Dish 180 - damn the cost, it's only money).

I'm not going to willingly live behind an electronic Berlin Wall.

Think about the people in Cuba that are 'stealing' (sic) US TV. The
issue of freedom certainly outweighs the extremely debatable "theft"
of a signal that isn't otherwise available. The situation in Kanada
isn't that much different when it comes to DTV and Dish (Fox News for
example to make it clear).

It wouldn't be an issue on this newsgroup if you two didn't keep on
squacking the mindless message 'theft is theft'.

Sometimes the issue is a bit more complicated.

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>> Think about the people in Cuba that are 'stealing'
>> (sic) US TV. The issue of freedom certainly out-
>> weighs the extremely debatable "theft" of a signal
>> that isn't otherwise available. The situation in Kanada
>> isn't that much different

Gary Tait's typo count is going back up:
> ...(keep in ming the Canwes has righst...

I'll try to keep that in 'ming'...

Two questions:

Q1) What is your opinion on those 'thieving, scum-bag, low life'
pirates in Cuba that 'steal' US satellite TV?

Q2) What is the significant *practical* difference between Cuba's
policy and that of Kanada when comes to US satellite providers? (I
already know that Kanada's policies are dressed-up under the guise of
small-dick-based cultural insecurity. Try to point out the practical
delta.)

> You can, you just have to hunt for a
> grey market provider.

It seems like you're advocating that people commit one 'crime' (grey
market subscription) versus the other. Not an unreasonable position,
but there are practical difficulties in addition to the historical
fact that it was once a more clearly serious crime to have a grey
market subscription than the other option.

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"Valdivar"
> There's a big difference between paying for
> grey market programming and "stealing"
> satellite tv signals.

Why don't you bone-up on your facts?
http://www.legal-rights.org/Documents/history.html

> If a person will steal direct tv and dishnet,
> then they can use the same hardware to and
> probably will steal expressvu!

Dish - possible (I don't, I wouldn't).
DirecTV - impossible, different technology.

> What ever is going on in the industry, or
> elsewhere in society does not justfy theft!

Read & learn:
http://www.legal-rights.org
Specifically:
http://www.legal-rights.org/Documents/explanation.html

You and Gary - both of whom presumably would like to enjoy the widest
possible variety of satellite TV - are cheer-leading for the wrong
team.

http://www.legal-rights.org/Documents/history.html

"Expressvu contends that they will take action against"all illegal
competition"meaning also the large C-band dishes that have been in
Canada since the late 1970's."

"The CRTC is also largely responsible for the mess we are all in. The
CRTC has always been hungry for power. In the late 1970's when the
first Big Dish systems started emerging into Canada, The CRTC decided
that they were illegal. Yes you can't watch TV on Satellite, you have
to have Cable vision. If you didn't have access to cable tough, you
can't watch anything."

The more-recent history hasn't been much better - Bill C-2 for
example.

Recently Kanada has been spelled with a 'K...'

Sponsorship Scandal...
$2B !! Gun Registry...
Bill C-2...

Vote ANYONE but Liberal...

....but not Conservative.

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On 21 May 2004 19:03:01 -0700, bev_subscriber@yahoo.com.au (BEV
Subscriber) wrote:

>>> Think about the people in Cuba that are 'stealing'
>>> (sic) US TV. The issue of freedom certainly out-
>>> weighs the extremely debatable "theft" of a signal
>>> that isn't otherwise available. The situation in Kanada
>>> isn't that much different
>
>Gary Tait's typo count is going back up:
>> ...(keep in ming the Canwes has righst...
>
>I'll try to keep that in 'ming'...
>
>Two questions:
>
>Q1) What is your opinion on those 'thieving, scum-bag, low life'
>pirates in Cuba that 'steal' US satellite TV?
>
>Q2) What is the significant *practical* difference between Cuba's
>policy and that of Kanada when comes to US satellite providers? (I
>already know that Kanada's policies are dressed-up under the guise of
>small-dick-based cultural insecurity. Try to point out the practical
>delta.)

Canada isn't restricting them based on content, purly becuase of
protection of the domestic industry. Communist regimes such as Cuba do
retrict not only foreign providers, but the programmes on them. If
Canada resticted foreign TV based on content, there wouldn't be any US
TV on the Canadian dials at all.

>> You can, you just have to hunt for a
>> grey market provider.
>
>It seems like you're advocating that people commit one 'crime' (grey
>market subscription) versus the other. Not an unreasonable position,
>but there are practical difficulties in addition to the historical
>fact that it was once a more clearly serious crime to have a grey
>market subscription than the other option.

No, I am stating that not being able to openly subscribe to a foreign
service does not validate stealing it, as if the end goal is to just
have the service, you can subscribe (albeit under the table, but still
subscribe), and not hurt the provder in the process.