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Hi,

I have an old Kenwood KA-3020se amplifier (it's about 10 years old). When I
turn the volume up or down I get a crackling and scraping sound from the
speakers. Is this dust inside the amplifier or an elecrical fault? Will I
have to have it opened up to be serviced or is there anything I can do? I
haven't had any problems with the amplifer before and it still sounds pretty
good.

If it is dust what would be the best way of cleaning it up?

Thanks.

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"M Jones" <mjonesNOSPAM@west.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have an old Kenwood KA-3020se amplifier (it's about 10 years old). When
> I turn the volume up or down I get a crackling and scraping sound from the
> speakers. Is this dust inside the amplifier or an elecrical fault? Will
> I have to have it opened up to be serviced or is there anything I can do?
> I haven't had any problems with the amplifer before and it still sounds
> pretty good.
>
> If it is dust what would be the best way of cleaning it up?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
It's a worn out volume control. Some people have had some success with
spray lubes but I would forget this and get it serviced. Unfortunately the
cost of the "pot" will be far outweighed by the cost of replacing it :-(

Chas

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Caig cleaner and pro gold from radio shack

worked for my 71 marantz.....

"M Jones" <mjonesNOSPAM@west.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> I have an old Kenwood KA-3020se amplifier (it's about 10 years old). When
> I turn the volume up or down I get a crackling and scraping sound from the
> speakers. Is this dust inside the amplifier or an elecrical fault? Will
> I have to have it opened up to be serviced or is there anything I can do?
> I haven't had any problems with the amplifer before and it still sounds
> pretty good.
>
> If it is dust what would be the best way of cleaning it up?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

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In <d84v6c$k21$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, on 06/07/05
at 08:14 PM, "M Jones" <mjonesNOSPAM@west.com> said:

>Hi,

>I have an old Kenwood KA-3020se amplifier (it's about 10 years old).
>When I turn the volume up or down I get a crackling and scraping
>sound from the speakers. Is this dust inside the amplifier or an
>elecrical fault? Will I have to have it opened up to be serviced or
>is there anything I can do? I haven't had any problems with the
>amplifer before and it still sounds pretty good.

>If it is dust what would be the best way of cleaning it up?

It's a standard mid life crisis for receivers. Typically the problem is
worse just after you turn the unit on, but that's when you are most
likely to change the volume and you won't notice that the control is
quieter later.

The problem is usually caused by surface contamination inside the
volume control. Aging capacitors allow a small amount of leakage
current to flow through the control and enhance the noise.

More than 90% of the controls can be salvaged with a chemical
treatment. Everyone has their favorite elixir. Years ago I used a
product called "No Noise". It was very effective, but it was taken off
the market, allegedly due to a problem with the EPA. Lately, I've been
using Caig products. And I have a secret chemical I sometimes use on
controls that don't respond to the Caig products, but I don't think it
would be a great idea for amateurs to use it. (It must be used very
sparingly ... amateurs always use several times as much chemical than
is prudent ... a little goes a long way ... a lot causes big trouble.)

The chemical treatment is not a permanent cure (not even replacing the
control is permanent because the new control will fail in about 10
years). I am accustomed to the chemical cure lasting two years or more
and it can be redone if necessary. If the chemical cure lasts a few
weeks, either the chemical was not properly used or the control is one
of the 5-10% that don't respond well to the chemical.

DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured by
sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the stuff
inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)

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Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.


"Barry Mann" <zzzz@zzzz.zzz> wrote in message
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> In <d84v6c$k21$1@nwrdmz03.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com>, on 06/07/05
> at 08:14 PM, "M Jones" <mjonesNOSPAM@west.com> said:
>
>>Hi,
>
>>I have an old Kenwood KA-3020se amplifier (it's about 10 years old).
>>When I turn the volume up or down I get a crackling and scraping
>>sound from the speakers. Is this dust inside the amplifier or an
>>elecrical fault? Will I have to have it opened up to be serviced or
>>is there anything I can do? I haven't had any problems with the
>>amplifer before and it still sounds pretty good.
>
>>If it is dust what would be the best way of cleaning it up?
>
> It's a standard mid life crisis for receivers. Typically the problem is
> worse just after you turn the unit on, but that's when you are most
> likely to change the volume and you won't notice that the control is
> quieter later.
>
> The problem is usually caused by surface contamination inside the
> volume control. Aging capacitors allow a small amount of leakage
> current to flow through the control and enhance the noise.
>
> More than 90% of the controls can be salvaged with a chemical
> treatment. Everyone has their favorite elixir. Years ago I used a
> product called "No Noise". It was very effective, but it was taken off
> the market, allegedly due to a problem with the EPA. Lately, I've been
> using Caig products. And I have a secret chemical I sometimes use on
> controls that don't respond to the Caig products, but I don't think it
> would be a great idea for amateurs to use it. (It must be used very
> sparingly ... amateurs always use several times as much chemical than
> is prudent ... a little goes a long way ... a lot causes big trouble.)
>
> The chemical treatment is not a permanent cure (not even replacing the
> control is permanent because the new control will fail in about 10
> years). I am accustomed to the chemical cure lasting two years or more
> and it can be redone if necessary. If the chemical cure lasts a few
> weeks, either the chemical was not properly used or the control is one
> of the 5-10% that don't respond well to the chemical.
>
> DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
> certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured by
> sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
> unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the stuff
> inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> spam: uce@ftc.gov
> wordgame:123(abc):<14 9 20 5 2 9 18 4 at 22 15 9 3 5 14 5 20 dot 3 15
> 13> (Barry Mann)
> [sorry about the puzzle, spammers are ruining my mailbox]
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>

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> Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.

DON'T spray silicon lubricant into Your volume pot........ Get a real
contact spray instead.

/Jakob

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"Barry Mann" <zzzz@zzzz.zzz> wrote in message news:42a68d49$1
>
> DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
> certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured by
> sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
> unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the stuff
> inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)

A squirtu of Caig cAILUBE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT FOR ANOTHER 24 MONTHS AT
LEAST.

GEOFF

sorry about the capslock

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"Geoff Wood" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "Barry Mann" <zzzz@zzzz.zzz> wrote in message news:42a68d49$1
>>
>> DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
>> certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured by
>> sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
>> unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the stuff
>> inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)
>
> A squirtu of Caig cAILUBE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT FOR ANOTHER 24 MONTHS AT
> LEAST.
>
> GEOFF
>
> sorry about the capslock
>

Based on what people have told me I think i'll do that. I live in the UK
and it's not a product i've heard of before. Do you know where I may get it
from?

Thanks.

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"M Jones" <NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote in message
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> "Geoff Wood" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:42a6c827$1@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> "Barry Mann" <zzzz@zzzz.zzz> wrote in message news:42a68d49$1
>>>
>>> DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
>>> certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured
>>> by
>>> sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
>>> unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the
>>> stuff
>>> inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)
>>
>> A squirtu of Caig cAILUBE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT FOR ANOTHER 24 MONTHS
>> AT LEAST.
>>
>> GEOFF
>>
>> sorry about the capslock
>>
>
> Based on what people have told me I think i'll do that. I live in the
> UK and it's not a product i've heard of before. Do you know where I
> may get it from?

I thought that Caig originated in the UK and was imported over
here to The Colonies.

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"M Jones" wrote ...
> Will silicon lubricant spray work?
> We have some of this where I work.

No, "silicone" is an insulator and will make it worse.
OTOH "silicon" is sand and will also make it worse.

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"M Jones" <NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote in message
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> "Geoff Wood" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
> news:42a6c827$1@clear.net.nz...
>>
>> "Barry Mann" <zzzz@zzzz.zzz> wrote in message news:42a68d49$1
>>>
>>> DO NOT USE WD-40. For some reason WD-40 is the magical cure for a
>>> certain segment. They seem to think that all problems can be cured
>>> by
>>> sticking the spray nozzle into a crack an bombing the inside of the
>>> unit. I've had units come in -- literally -- with puddles of the
>>> stuff
>>> inside. (and it didn't cure the problem)
>>
>> A squirtu of Caig cAILUBE SHOULD PUT IT RIGHT FOR ANOTHER 24 MONTHS
>> AT LEAST.
>>
>> GEOFF
>>
>> sorry about the capslock
>>
>
> Based on what people have told me I think i'll do that. I live in the
> UK and it's not a product i've heard of before. Do you know where I
> may get it from?

Do you still have Cramolin? I seem to recall that it was the
original and came from the UK.

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In article <11adsec386v3qf3@corp.supernews.com>,
Richard Crowley <rcrowley7@xprt.net> wrote:

>> Based on what people have told me I think i'll do that. I live in the
>> UK and it's not a product i've heard of before. Do you know where I
>> may get it from?
>
>Do you still have Cramolin? I seem to recall that it was the
>original and came from the UK.

As I understand it, the Cramolin product line is made in Germany (and
may originally have been named "Gramolin" ), and was imported into the
United States by Caig Labs. Some years ago, Caig reportedly stopped
importing Cramolin and began marketing their own formulations, sold
under names such as DeOxIt, D-5, and Cailube.

Cramolin was (and perhaps still is) available either as a concentrate,
or as a spray consisting of the concentrate diluted in a solvent
(isopropanol, I believe) with a propellant. DeOxIt is available in
a similar selection of forms. For cleaning potentiometers, one of the
sprays (5-10% active ingredient) would probably be best suited.

You don't need much. I have a couple of little less-than-1-fluid-
ounce containers of the Cramolin "red" (cleaner and deoxidizer) and
"blue" (contact preservative) concentrates which I bought sometime
back around 1980, and a squirt-can of DeOxIt 5% I bought about five
years ago. I may well reach retirement age before I need to replace
either.

www.caig.com
www.cramolin.de

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC), "M Jones"
<NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote:

> Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.

No! Silicon destroy the volume pot!

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"Ken" <_ken_3_@telia.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC), "M Jones"
> <NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote:
>
>> Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.
>
> No! Silicon destroy the volume pot!

Caig Cailube.

geoff

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Kontakt 60 will work excellently for years. Kontakt 60 is especialy made for
cleaning, lubricating, protecting electric contact surfaces and solving
volume control problems. Website:
www.crceurope.com/csp/web/Countryp [...] =002100010
00136n5fbdw003014370972

Ronald Berger

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> "Ken" <_ken_3_@telia.com> wrote in message
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> > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC), "M Jones"
> > <NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.
> >
> > No! Silicon destroy the volume pot!
>
> Caig Cailube.
>
> geoff
>
>

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Kontakt 60 will work excellently for years. Kontakt 60 is especialy made for
cleaning, lubricating, protecting electric contact surfaces and solving
volume control problems. Website:
http://www.crceurope.com/csp/web/f [...] &brand=KOC

Ronald berger

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>
> "Ken" <_ken_3_@telia.com> wrote in message
> news:20qna157brh00tuh1kerjr0b323ukmih43@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 8 Jun 2005 07:09:31 +0000 (UTC), "M Jones"
> > <NOSPAMmjones@NOSPAMwestwardservices.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Will silicon lubricant spray work? We have some of this where I work.
> >
> > No! Silicon destroy the volume pot!
>
> Caig Cailube.
>
> geoff
>
>

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