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Anonymous
August 18, 2004 12:48:44 AM

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I'm just wondering about something. Right now I have a Pansat 2500a
receiver and I use a 4x1 DiSEqC switch to select either a C-band feed or a
Ku feed from a fixed small dish (I am only using two of the four ports).
The specs for this DiSEqC switch are here:
http://www.lavasat.com/DiSeqC41.htm

Now my goal would be to have multiple small dishes outside, each pointed at
a different satellite with FTA signals of interest. While I could run a
separate wire back to the house from each dish, I'm wondering if I could
put the DiSEqC Switch outside and let it switch between dishes out there,
allowing me to run one cable back into the house. I'm assuming that is
possible, but then I still have an issue with the C-band which already
comes in on its own direct feed. So what I'm wondering is whether anyone
has successfully "cascaded" DiSEqC switches with the Pansat 2500a, and if
so, are there any specific instructions on how it's done?

For example, let's say you have a four-port DiSEqC switch behind your
receiver - could each of those ports connect to a second DiSEqC switch so
you could select 16 ports total? Some sites I've stumbled across seem to
suggest this is the case, yet when I look at the Pansat installation menu I
only see references to four DiSEqC settings. What I do see is a menu
option to use a 22kHz tone switch box (with two outputs), which according
to a diagram in the manual can be connected to two DiSEqC switches,
allowing selection of up to eight different inputs. Is that the maximum
you can use with a Pansat 2500a? And (the $64,000 question) where would
one buy one of these 22kHz tone switches?

Please forgive my general cluelessness but if you've never tried to do
anything like this before it can be a bit tough to understand what will
work and what won't.
Anonymous
August 18, 2004 12:23:32 PM

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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:48:44 -0400, not-a-real-email@donotemail.us
wrote:

>I'm just wondering about something. Right now I have a Pansat 2500a
>receiver and I use a 4x1 DiSEqC switch to select either a C-band feed or a
>Ku feed from a fixed small dish (I am only using two of the four ports).
>The specs for this DiSEqC switch are here:
>http://www.lavasat.com/DiSeqC41.htm
>
>Now my goal would be to have multiple small dishes outside, each pointed at
>a different satellite with FTA signals of interest. While I could run a
>separate wire back to the house from each dish, I'm wondering if I could
>put the DiSEqC Switch outside and let it switch between dishes out there,
>allowing me to run one cable back into the house. I'm assuming that is
>possible, but then I still have an issue with the C-band which already
>comes in on its own direct feed. So what I'm wondering is whether anyone
>has successfully "cascaded" DiSEqC switches with the Pansat 2500a, and if
>so, are there any specific instructions on how it's done?
>
>For example, let's say you have a four-port DiSEqC switch behind your
>receiver - could each of those ports connect to a second DiSEqC switch so
>you could select 16 ports total? Some sites I've stumbled across seem to
>suggest this is the case, yet when I look at the Pansat installation menu I
>only see references to four DiSEqC settings. What I do see is a menu
>option to use a 22kHz tone switch box (with two outputs), which according
>to a diagram in the manual can be connected to two DiSEqC switches,
>allowing selection of up to eight different inputs. Is that the maximum
>you can use with a Pansat 2500a? And (the $64,000 question) where would
>one buy one of these 22kHz tone switches?
>
>Please forgive my general cluelessness but if you've never tried to do
>anything like this before it can be a bit tough to understand what will
>work and what won't.



Don't bother, the diseq switch on the 22khz side will not function
right..if at all.


a 0/12v switch works MUCH better for two 4x1 switches.
Anonymous
August 18, 2004 3:11:53 PM

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:23:32 -0400, kryppy <kryppy@.> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:48:44 -0400, not-a-real-email@donotemail.us
>wrote:
>
>>I'm just wondering about something. Right now I have a Pansat 2500a
>>receiver and I use a 4x1 DiSEqC switch to select either a C-band feed or a
>>Ku feed from a fixed small dish (I am only using two of the four ports).
>>The specs for this DiSEqC switch are here:
>>http://www.lavasat.com/DiSeqC41.htm
>>
>>Now my goal would be to have multiple small dishes outside, each pointed at
>>a different satellite with FTA signals of interest. While I could run a
>>separate wire back to the house from each dish, I'm wondering if I could
>>put the DiSEqC Switch outside and let it switch between dishes out there,
>>allowing me to run one cable back into the house. I'm assuming that is
>>possible, but then I still have an issue with the C-band which already
>>comes in on its own direct feed. So what I'm wondering is whether anyone
>>has successfully "cascaded" DiSEqC switches with the Pansat 2500a, and if
>>so, are there any specific instructions on how it's done?
>>
>>For example, let's say you have a four-port DiSEqC switch behind your
>>receiver - could each of those ports connect to a second DiSEqC switch so
>>you could select 16 ports total? Some sites I've stumbled across seem to
>>suggest this is the case, yet when I look at the Pansat installation menu I
>>only see references to four DiSEqC settings. What I do see is a menu
>>option to use a 22kHz tone switch box (with two outputs), which according
>>to a diagram in the manual can be connected to two DiSEqC switches,
>>allowing selection of up to eight different inputs. Is that the maximum
>>you can use with a Pansat 2500a? And (the $64,000 question) where would
>>one buy one of these 22kHz tone switches?
>>
>>Please forgive my general cluelessness but if you've never tried to do
>>anything like this before it can be a bit tough to understand what will
>>work and what won't.
>
>
>
>Don't bother, the diseq switch on the 22khz side will not function
>right..if at all.
>
>
>a 0/12v switch works MUCH better for two 4x1 switches.

Now it is strange that you should say that because I have read in another
forum that the 0/12v function has been disabled in the Pansat 2500a's
because it didn't work right. I had actually thought about using it to
control a 12v relay that would shift control of the skew (on a C-band dish)
between an analog receiver and the Pansat but then people kept saying it
doesn't work.

Also since I posted my original message (which by the way had the wrong
Pansat model number in the subject line - I fumble-fingered the 5 into a 6)
I have come across an ad on eBay selling "DiSEqC SW22 22Khz Switch for FTA
Pansat Fortec DirecTV" which the seller claims is "+++ Way Better Than
DiSEqC 2x1 Switch !!! +++". He further says that on a Free-To-Air receiver
(and he specifically mentions the Pansat among others), " If you have only
2 LNB's to switch between ....., then the 22KHz switch is a better option
than DiSEqC 2x1 switch, since it switches far more reliably." Of course he
still is not specifically claiming that you can cascade a 22KHz switch and
two DiSEqC switches, as the diagram in the Pansat manual shows.

Maybe you can understand why I get so confused about this FTA stuff - I
have never seen so much conflicting information circulating around, and at
this point I don't know who knows what they are talking about and who's
just taking a wild guess. And it's sure not like you can call up Pansat
and get any straight info from them.
Related resources
August 18, 2004 9:17:31 PM

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I'm confused as hell as well and while most threads will say no you cant do
it, I've seen one or two that claimed its possibly and they're doing it,
that is they have a disecq 4x1 switch, and each one of the input they have a
22khz switch giving them 8 ports... I might just run two disecq switches
up there to get my eight ports that I need and swtich cables manually or
get a second receiver but its worth a shot to try cascading it. be prepared
to blow your disecq swtich and buy a new one...

<not-a-real-email@donotemail.us> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:23:32 -0400, kryppy <kryppy@.> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:48:44 -0400, not-a-real-email@donotemail.us
> >wrote:
> >
> >>I'm just wondering about something. Right now I have a Pansat 2500a
> >>receiver and I use a 4x1 DiSEqC switch to select either a C-band feed or
a
> >>Ku feed from a fixed small dish (I am only using two of the four ports).
> >>The specs for this DiSEqC switch are here:
> >>http://www.lavasat.com/DiSeqC41.htm
> >>
> >>Now my goal would be to have multiple small dishes outside, each pointed
at
> >>a different satellite with FTA signals of interest. While I could run a
> >>separate wire back to the house from each dish, I'm wondering if I could
> >>put the DiSEqC Switch outside and let it switch between dishes out
there,
> >>allowing me to run one cable back into the house. I'm assuming that is
> >>possible, but then I still have an issue with the C-band which already
> >>comes in on its own direct feed. So what I'm wondering is whether
anyone
> >>has successfully "cascaded" DiSEqC switches with the Pansat 2500a, and
if
> >>so, are there any specific instructions on how it's done?
> >>
> >>For example, let's say you have a four-port DiSEqC switch behind your
> >>receiver - could each of those ports connect to a second DiSEqC switch
so
> >>you could select 16 ports total? Some sites I've stumbled across seem
to
> >>suggest this is the case, yet when I look at the Pansat installation
menu I
> >>only see references to four DiSEqC settings. What I do see is a menu
> >>option to use a 22kHz tone switch box (with two outputs), which
according
> >>to a diagram in the manual can be connected to two DiSEqC switches,
> >>allowing selection of up to eight different inputs. Is that the maximum
> >>you can use with a Pansat 2500a? And (the $64,000 question) where would
> >>one buy one of these 22kHz tone switches?
> >>
> >>Please forgive my general cluelessness but if you've never tried to do
> >>anything like this before it can be a bit tough to understand what will
> >>work and what won't.
> >
> >
> >
> >Don't bother, the diseq switch on the 22khz side will not function
> >right..if at all.
> >
> >
> >a 0/12v switch works MUCH better for two 4x1 switches.
>
> Now it is strange that you should say that because I have read in another
> forum that the 0/12v function has been disabled in the Pansat 2500a's
> because it didn't work right. I had actually thought about using it to
> control a 12v relay that would shift control of the skew (on a C-band
dish)
> between an analog receiver and the Pansat but then people kept saying it
> doesn't work.
>
> Also since I posted my original message (which by the way had the wrong
> Pansat model number in the subject line - I fumble-fingered the 5 into a
6)
> I have come across an ad on eBay selling "DiSEqC SW22 22Khz Switch for FTA
> Pansat Fortec DirecTV" which the seller claims is "+++ Way Better Than
> DiSEqC 2x1 Switch !!! +++". He further says that on a Free-To-Air
receiver
> (and he specifically mentions the Pansat among others), " If you have only
> 2 LNB's to switch between ....., then the 22KHz switch is a better option
> than DiSEqC 2x1 switch, since it switches far more reliably." Of course
he
> still is not specifically claiming that you can cascade a 22KHz switch and
> two DiSEqC switches, as the diagram in the Pansat manual shows.
>
> Maybe you can understand why I get so confused about this FTA stuff - I
> have never seen so much conflicting information circulating around, and at
> this point I don't know who knows what they are talking about and who's
> just taking a wild guess. And it's sure not like you can call up Pansat
> and get any straight info from them.
>
Anonymous
August 19, 2004 12:59:05 PM

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 11:11:53 -0400, not-a-real-email@donotemail.us
wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 08:23:32 -0400, kryppy <kryppy@.> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 20:48:44 -0400, not-a-real-email@donotemail.us
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I'm just wondering about something. Right now I have a Pansat 2500a
>>>receiver and I use a 4x1 DiSEqC switch to select either a C-band feed or a
>>>Ku feed from a fixed small dish (I am only using two of the four ports).
>>>The specs for this DiSEqC switch are here:
>>>http://www.lavasat.com/DiSeqC41.htm
>>>
>>>Now my goal would be to have multiple small dishes outside, each pointed at
>>>a different satellite with FTA signals of interest. While I could run a
>>>separate wire back to the house from each dish, I'm wondering if I could
>>>put the DiSEqC Switch outside and let it switch between dishes out there,
>>>allowing me to run one cable back into the house. I'm assuming that is
>>>possible, but then I still have an issue with the C-band which already
>>>comes in on its own direct feed. So what I'm wondering is whether anyone
>>>has successfully "cascaded" DiSEqC switches with the Pansat 2500a, and if
>>>so, are there any specific instructions on how it's done?
>>>
>>>For example, let's say you have a four-port DiSEqC switch behind your
>>>receiver - could each of those ports connect to a second DiSEqC switch so
>>>you could select 16 ports total? Some sites I've stumbled across seem to
>>>suggest this is the case, yet when I look at the Pansat installation menu I
>>>only see references to four DiSEqC settings. What I do see is a menu
>>>option to use a 22kHz tone switch box (with two outputs), which according
>>>to a diagram in the manual can be connected to two DiSEqC switches,
>>>allowing selection of up to eight different inputs. Is that the maximum
>>>you can use with a Pansat 2500a? And (the $64,000 question) where would
>>>one buy one of these 22kHz tone switches?
>>>
>>>Please forgive my general cluelessness but if you've never tried to do
>>>anything like this before it can be a bit tough to understand what will
>>>work and what won't.
>>
>>
>>
>>Don't bother, the diseq switch on the 22khz side will not function
>>right..if at all.
>>
>>
>>a 0/12v switch works MUCH better for two 4x1 switches.
>
>Now it is strange that you should say that because I have read in another
>forum that the 0/12v function has been disabled in the Pansat 2500a's
>because it didn't work right. I had actually thought about using it to
>control a 12v relay that would shift control of the skew (on a C-band dish)
>between an analog receiver and the Pansat but then people kept saying it
>doesn't work.
>
>Also since I posted my original message (which by the way had the wrong
>Pansat model number in the subject line - I fumble-fingered the 5 into a 6)
>I have come across an ad on eBay selling "DiSEqC SW22 22Khz Switch for FTA
>Pansat Fortec DirecTV" which the seller claims is "+++ Way Better Than
>DiSEqC 2x1 Switch !!! +++". He further says that on a Free-To-Air receiver
>(and he specifically mentions the Pansat among others), " If you have only
>2 LNB's to switch between ....., then the 22KHz switch is a better option
>than DiSEqC 2x1 switch, since it switches far more reliably." Of course he
>still is not specifically claiming that you can cascade a 22KHz switch and
>two DiSEqC switches, as the diagram in the Pansat manual shows.
>
>Maybe you can understand why I get so confused about this FTA stuff - I
>have never seen so much conflicting information circulating around, and at
>this point I don't know who knows what they are talking about and who's
>just taking a wild guess. And it's sure not like you can call up Pansat
>and get any straight info from them.




What I found is the 22k tone blocks the commands to the second switch.
I can't even see how it could work!
You can get an easy 5 inputs with a 4x1 and a 22K switch.
In Europe, they have kickass cascadable diseq switches, I'm sure
you've seen the set up in a FTA menus somewhere. Our NA junk doesn't
support them though...
Anonymous
August 19, 2004 1:04:04 PM

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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:17:31 GMT, "G"
<nospamepleaseandthankyou@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I'm confused as hell as well and while most threads will say no you cant do
>it, I've seen one or two that claimed its possibly and they're doing it,
>that is they have a disecq 4x1 switch, and each one of the input they have a
>22khz switch giving them 8 ports... I might just run two disecq switches
>up there to get my eight ports that I need and swtich cables manually or
>get a second receiver but its worth a shot to try cascading it. be prepared
>to blow your disecq swtich and buy a new one...


Believe it or not, I made that up one day at my shop for a guy that
cried for eight inputs. I ASSumed it would work.
I have cases of every FTA thing you have ever seen, and have yet to
get 2 4x1s and a 22khz to work together right.

AB switch is nice as well as a 12v switch like on an old BUD for C/KU
August 19, 2004 8:32:13 PM

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an a/b switch now there is an idea, we're talking a regular cable switch to
switch between two sources, ie in this case disecq switch #1 and #2?
theorertically it makes sense, probably doesnt hurt to power down the
receiver before switching, those switches can be temperamental.

"kryppy" <kryppy@.> wrote in message
news:f399i0t7of3v5bs5r3f0hlc5bkqr4l4u47@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 17:17:31 GMT, "G"
> <nospamepleaseandthankyou@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm confused as hell as well and while most threads will say no you cant
do
> >it, I've seen one or two that claimed its possibly and they're doing it,
> >that is they have a disecq 4x1 switch, and each one of the input they
have a
> >22khz switch giving them 8 ports... I might just run two disecq
switches
> >up there to get my eight ports that I need and swtich cables manually or
> >get a second receiver but its worth a shot to try cascading it. be
prepared
> >to blow your disecq swtich and buy a new one...
>
>
> Believe it or not, I made that up one day at my shop for a guy that
> cried for eight inputs. I ASSumed it would work.
> I have cases of every FTA thing you have ever seen, and have yet to
> get 2 4x1s and a 22khz to work together right.
>
> AB switch is nice as well as a 12v switch like on an old BUD for C/KU
>
>
!