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I am looking for technical specifications for audio throught the
digital coaxial cables. I am interested in the protocol rather than the
electrical specs.

Can digital coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from SACD?

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hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:

> I am looking for technical specifications for audio
through the
> digital coaxial cables.

It mostly just works. Audio signals don't involve anything
like extreme data rates or bandwidth requirements. Most coax
is actually overkill for most audio applications.

> I am interested in the protocol rather than the
electrical specs.

Then you have to specify which protocol.

> Can digital coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from SACD?

Of course!

There's some interesting twists to SACD - one of the goals
of SACD is to complexify the business of digital
transmission of audio (in the interest of controlling
copying) to the point where private individual use of it is
tightly controlled.

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Do a search on S/PDIF.

Kal

On 26 Jun 2005 23:51:23 -0700, hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:

>I am looking for technical specifications for audio throught the
>digital coaxial cables. I am interested in the protocol rather than the
>electrical specs.
>
>Can digital coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from SACD?

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Kalman Rubinson wrote:
> Do a search on S/PDIF.
>
> Kal
>
> On 26 Jun 2005 23:51:23 -0700, hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I am looking for technical specifications for audio
throught the
>> digital coaxial cables. I am interested in the protocol
rather than
>> the electrical specs.
>>
>> Can digital coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from
SACD?

The problem is that SP/DIF can't be used to transfer the
full-bandwidth, full-dynamic range SACD signal. It has to be
downsampled.

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Of course. However, he wanted the protocol specs for digital audio
and that's how he will find them.

Kal


On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 12:24:41 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
wrote:

>Kalman Rubinson wrote:
>> Do a search on S/PDIF.
>>
>> Kal
>>
>> On 26 Jun 2005 23:51:23 -0700, hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am looking for technical specifications for audio
>throught the
>>> digital coaxial cables. I am interested in the protocol
>rather than
>>> the electrical specs.
>>>
>>> Can digital coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from
>SACD?
>
>The problem is that SP/DIF can't be used to transfer the
>full-bandwidth, full-dynamic range SACD signal. It has to be
>downsampled.
>

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:53:49 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:

>Do a search on S/PDIF.

Ahem, S-DIF3 is more relevant to DSD.

http://www.sonyoxford.co.uk/pub/dm [...] if3v10.pdf

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:05:00 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
<flegal@aingeal.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:53:49 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Do a search on S/PDIF.
>
>Ahem, S-DIF3 is more relevant to DSD.
>
>http://www.sonyoxford.co.uk/pub/dmap/download/sdif3v10.pdf

Yup but he asked 2 questions. One was about the protocol used for
digital audio and the most common one is still S/PDIF.

Kal

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:41:54 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:

>Yup but he asked 2 questions. One was about the protocol used for
>digital audio and the most common one is still S/PDIF.

Sure, S/P-DIF is *the* consumer format. I only answered the "Can digital
coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from SACD?" part.

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On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:45:26 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
<flegal@aingeal.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:41:54 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:
>
>>Yup but he asked 2 questions. One was about the protocol used for
>>digital audio and the most common one is still S/PDIF.
>
>Sure, S/P-DIF is *the* consumer format. I only answered the "Can digital
>coaxial handle high bandwidth audio from SACD?" part.

Then, between us, we have supplied what he asked for.

Kal

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Thank you for your response. I wanted to know how the 5.1 signals from
a DVD get transmitted over digital coaxial. The document from Sony does
not make it very clear. I will try additional google search. The only
problem is that it ends up with commerical web sites and not so much on
the protocol front.

Can you also clarify if there is any protocol that can transfer SACD
data full bandwidth over a digital interface? Does one need to invest
top dollar on high end player and use the analog pre out to realize the
full benefits of SACD.

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Thank you for your response. I wanted to know how the 5.1 signals from
a DVD get transmitted over digital coaxial. The document from Sony does
not make it very clear. I will try additional google search. The only
problem is that it ends up with commerical web sites and not so much on
the protocol front.

Can you also clarify if there is any protocol that can transfer SACD
data full bandwidth over a digital interface? Does one need to invest
top dollar on high end player and use the analog pre out to realize the
full benefits of SACD.

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On 27 Jun 2005 22:15:55 -0700, hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:

>I wanted to know how the 5.1 signals from
>a DVD get transmitted over digital coaxial.

The multi-channel compressed bitstream is basically encapsulated in standard
frames, with a suitable header describing the content. It's transmitted just
like any LPCM data.

>The document from Sony does
>not make it very clear.

The Sony Oxford doc is DSD specific.

>Can you also clarify if there is any protocol that can transfer SACD
>data full bandwidth over a digital interface?

Yes, cf. above for the standard pro solution. Some manufacturers have
developed proprietary solutions.

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On 27 Jun 2005 22:18:14 -0700, hsmraj@gmail.com wrote:

>Can you also clarify if there is any protocol that can transfer SACD
>data full bandwidth over a digital interface?

For the consumer, IEEE1394 and Denon's D-Link will do it.

> Does one need to invest
>top dollar on high end player and use the analog pre out to realize the
>full benefits of SACD.

This is, today, more common but times are changing.

kal

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:39 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:

>For the consumer, IEEE1394 and Denon's D-Link will do it.

I.Link, aka Firewire/IEEE 1394, only works when the player and the processor
are fitted with the same type of firmware; DLink is of course 100%
proprietary.

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On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:37:30 +0200, François Yves Le Gal
<flegal@aingeal.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 11:06:39 -0400, Kalman Rubinson <kr4@nyu.edu> wrote:
>
>>For the consumer, IEEE1394 and Denon's D-Link will do it.
>
>I.Link, aka Firewire/IEEE 1394, only works when the player and the processor
>are fitted with the same type of firmware; DLink is of course 100%
>proprietary.

Correct. And that's the reason for my other, but not quoted, response
to his second question.

Kal

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