Titanium Dome Tweeter

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hello, i own a pair of Behringer Truth monitors. the treble sounds
like 2 people having a sword fight 3 inches from my ear drum. anyone
got any tips on damping the titanium dome tweeter.

also I've got polystyrene stuck in the ports to damp those too. it
helps! can anyone recommend a different material for this.

TIA for any help.

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"Garrt" <le_kernel@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> hello, i own a pair of Behringer Truth monitors. the
> treble sounds like 2 people having a sword fight 3 inches
> from my ear drum. anyone got any tips on damping the
> titanium dome tweeter.

I've heard the Behringer Truths many times, and I can say
for sure that if the treble sounds too hot, then the source
is too hot.

I take it these are the passive models, because the active
models have a 4-position treble switch on the back.

> also I've got polystyrene stuck in the ports to damp
> those too. it helps! can anyone recommend a different
> material for this.

Fix the source, since that is what is broken?

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"Garrt" <le_kernel@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> I take it these are the passive models, because the
>> active models have a 4-position treble switch on the
>> back.

> Active model - positions are +2(err),0,-2 and -4. I use
> them at -2. at -4 the treble it too low in volume and
> still harsh!


> even Vinyl is harsh thru em but CD/sound
> card is worse. they sound a lot better once the amps
> have warmed up.

That leaves room acoustics and positioning.

If you want real control over the sound quality, put an
equalizer in series with the line input on the speakers.

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In article <1122647510.444677.248200@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"Garrt" <le_kernel@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> hello, i own a pair of Behringer Truth monitors. the treble sounds
> like 2 people having a sword fight 3 inches from my ear drum. anyone
> got any tips on damping the titanium dome tweeter.
>
> also I've got polystyrene stuck in the ports to damp those too. it
> helps! can anyone recommend a different material for this.
>
> TIA for any help.

There could be a number of problems going on, but probably the biggest
one is that these are not great speakers. OK for the money, but not much
more than that.

I think that what's really going on is that your ears are better than
your speakers! :-) I think that Behringer is counting on most of their
customers not really hearing this problem. Monitors are a very personal
thing and a lot records have been mixed on speakers I would consider
unlistenable. If you can't afford other speakers, see if you can find a
reference that you know sounds good. Use that to judge the amount of
swordfighting you hear and try to match your recordings with that. If
you are using these speakers for listening pleasure, well, perhaps you
might explore other options.


HTH
Edwin
--
http://www.theetherealplane.com

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> That leaves room acoustics and positioning.

perhaps not... I have them set up in an anechoic chamber. despite this
the distance from the rear walls is different to the corners by the
recommended ration of 1:1.342. the truths are toe'd in to form the
IEEE standard equilateral triangle and my listening chair is poitioned
within 30 nanometers of the ideal sweet spot. I have dedicated D/A
converters which are 10 meters away from any possible interference out
of my laptop which always runs off battery power. I use solid silver
core cables which are, naturally, balanced. I've had my hearing tested
recently and it's damn good........so that leaves the speakers as the
only posible problem area!

listen closer to 'em next time ;-)

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"Garrt" <le_kernel@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> That leaves room acoustics and positioning.

> perhaps not... I have them set up in an anechoic chamber.

As a rule, speakers are not designed to sound *right* in
anechoic chambers.

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> The most generally highly-regarded studio monitors on the US
> market today are probably Mackie HR 824s.

yeah, they sounded good in the shop but cost too much! things tend to
be that bit more in the UK! there are so many options I'll have to
wait til I find something right - tempted to go back to passive
monitors. my instincts are telling me that the really good stuff just
isn't stocked by most music stores.

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> Give the KEF Coda range a listen, based on specs only, not on a listen
> to a recent model, you may like them.

i had a pair of KEF coda ?x? - little speakers. very pleasant. the
tweater was underneath the woofer! made some good mixes on those but
there wasn't much bass. maybe it's time to come home?

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"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>> The most generally highly-regarded studio monitors on
>> the US market today are probably Mackie HR 824s.
>
> There would be a *huge* number of studio's with Genelec,
> Dynaudio and JBL, that would disagree with that comment.

Of course they would. But there are less of them. ;-)

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"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>>> The most generally highly-regarded studio monitors on
>>>> the US market today are probably Mackie HR 824s.

>>> There would be a *huge* number of studio's with Genelec,
>>> Dynaudio and JBL, that would disagree with that comment.

>> Of course they would. But there are less of them. ;-)

> Even if number sold is the only consideration, I doubt
> the Mackie's would be number one, but it would be
> interesting to see sales figures.

I'm considering both reputation and number sold.

> I'd bet the Behringer Truths would be giving them a run
> for their money these days, but neither is what *I'd*
> call "highly regarded".

Unh Mr. T, please remind me again why your ideas about the
audio production market in the US are supposedly so
credible?

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"Mr.T" <MrT@home> wrote in message
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> "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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>>> Even if number sold is the only consideration, I doubt
>>> the Mackie's would be number one, but it would be
>>> interesting to see sales figures.
>>
>> I'm considering both reputation and number sold.
>
> So you think Mackie's reputation is on par with Genelec,
> Dynaudio, JBL etc. ?

In the U.S. its pretty close. Obviously options will vary,
but HR824s have a lot of respect. They have also sold in
tremendous volume. Dynaudio and Genelec are boutique brands
over here. Tannoy is also in the game.

>>> I'd bet the Behringer Truths would be giving them a run
>>> for their money these days, but neither is what *I'd*
>>> call "highly regarded".

>> Unh Mr. T, please remind me again why your ideas about
>> the audio production market in the US are supposedly so
>> credible?
>
> OK, you got me there. I don't live in the USA.
> However you haven't provided any supporting data either,
> so it's all conjecture.

I don't have hard numbers but I have rough quantitative info
from a competitive marketing department. In most people's
mind the HR824 is the box to beat in the US market, either
in terms of price or quality.

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>In most people's mind the HR824 is the box to beat in the US market, either
> in terms of price or quality.


it's very rare that the box most commonly regarded as the best is
actually the fittest box for the job.

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"Garrt" <le_kernel@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> In most people's mind the HR824 is the box to beat in
>> the US market, either in terms of price or quality.
>
>
> it's very rare that the box most commonly regarded as the
> best is actually the fittest box for the job.

Agreed. Given the mid-size, mid-price sitaution with the
HR824s, no way are they the best studio monitors around.
It's just that they are a sort of a happy medium, and also
pretty nice sounding speakers in their own right.