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June 26, 2002 5:31:58 PM

I'm going to be upgrading to WindowsXP Home edition sometime soon, and I had a question about FAT32 and NFTS. In your own experience, which one have you found to be faster, and more stable? Also, how exactly would one format their drive to NFTS?

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June 26, 2002 6:23:33 PM

Use FAT32 if you will still want to access the partition from DOS or Linux. DOS can't see NTFS at all, and Linux can only read from it.

NTFS has better security, overall better performance, and a bunch of other extra features which FAT32 doesn't.

Microsoft includes a utility with Win2k and WinXP called (I believe) convert.exe which lets you convert FAT32 partitions to NTFS from the command line. You can also tell Windows to do this automatically when you're installing, I think.
June 26, 2002 8:06:55 PM

NTFS is better but a little more difficult to recover when you have an issue, however I use it and never had a problem.
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June 26, 2002 9:16:40 PM

I would also suggest NTFS.
June 26, 2002 9:35:43 PM

I would suggest the NTFS too, the way that box and sectors are set up with NTFS allow for larger HDD support and faster data compilation. I was worried about it to when I first upgraded, but now can see the (relitivley good) diffrence. Plus NTFS is great to raid arrays

-Tim

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June 26, 2002 11:03:15 PM

markprz summed it up quite well. NTFS formatting is simply an option on install.

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June 27, 2002 1:32:53 AM

I shouldn't run into any problems with utilities like Scandisk right? What about other programs (games, for example)? They should all run without difficulty?
June 27, 2002 3:10:37 PM

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I shouldn't run into any problems with utilities like Scandisk right?

No problem, but XP doesn't have "scandisk", it's check disk.
Just go to My Computer/Right click C:( or your drive's letter)/Properties/Tools/under Error Checking click Check Now. Choose Automatically Fix and Scan for Bad Sectors. Follow the instructions to set up a disk check at your next re-start.
You can also run error checking from the command line. Start/Run/chkdsk /f.
June 28, 2002 1:51:48 AM

One last, and final question. Will Windows XP built-in disk defragger still defrag my hard-drive(s) correctly if they're formatted to NTFS?
June 28, 2002 2:02:08 AM

Yes it will, microsoft doesn't even want you to use FAT32 anymore hehe.

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June 28, 2002 8:12:33 PM

unfortunatly windows xp in my experiance must be used with all drives NTFS otherwise your system will not be stable at all.

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June 29, 2002 10:20:12 AM

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microsoft doesn't even want you to use FAT32 anymore hehe.
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That there is a valid reason to keep doing it!!!

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June 29, 2002 10:30:18 AM

I run FAT32 and dual boot WIN98 / XP since XP has been new to me and Microsoft uses the world for Beta testing. No problem relative to WIN98 and XP sharing files and writing on the other's partition.
Real Drive C:/Partition C: is Win98
Real Drive C:/Partition D: XP ... This was a fresh empty partition formated FAT32. Nothing was on it prior to XP install.

XP IE6 does seem faster on the net than Win98 IE6. I like the XP Spider Solitare better.
I have not tried anything agressive using XP.

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July 10, 2002 3:38:05 PM

So XP pukes on you if you have any drives formatted with FAT32??? That don't sound so good...
July 10, 2002 5:01:26 PM

i run win XP pro on NTFS partitions and DOS reads them fine.
what are you on about ?


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July 10, 2002 6:25:39 PM

Garasaki asked:

<<So XP pukes on you if you have any drives formatted with FAT32??? That don't sound so good... >>

I have not had that experience. I have been fine with XP Home Upgrade in a fresh directory.
I have a coworker who has no respectf for XP Home upgrade. His comments are not repeatable. He says go with XP PRO (full version ... not upgrade) or forget it.

I think you were responding to somebody else's comments.

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July 10, 2002 6:48:33 PM

Sorry, I dislike how the only way to reply to a thread on this forum is to reply to someones specific post...so I always just click on the first one I see when I decide to put something up. Happened to be you at the time. But it was just a general comment about soemthing someone said...
July 10, 2002 8:59:43 PM

<A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/software/modules.php?nam..." target="_new">Why Toejam31 uses FAT32</A>

This guy is just the greatest... :smile:

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July 11, 2002 8:29:05 AM

I have to agree after finding out the hard way, it is not necessary to convert or use NTFS IMO. Toey had told me before hand but no, I had to do it anyway and I now run Fat32.

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July 11, 2002 8:40:42 AM

What do I do about my no-Operating system 60GB FAT32 hard drive then? :eek:  I have all my personal files, mp3s, images (of my Windows partition), and downloaded programs on this. What do you recommend about that? I can't use Drive Image to store an image to a NTFS drive/partition, can I?

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July 11, 2002 9:11:39 AM

I don't have that problem, I have my data in specific groups on many partitions on multiple hard disks and I store most of my important data on CD-r's anyway as I never trust a hard drive. It is a bit of extra work, but when shite hits the fan it is a gift from heaven to have it on a CD. You should have your images and backups on a CD anyway, not that I adhere to that idea very well either but still it is good practice. I really hate worrying if a hard disk is going to die.
I can't see how NTFS would save you anyway?

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July 11, 2002 3:38:18 PM

I must agree with every post here. I would alos choose NTFS. I play lots of games as well on my system, (XP Pro - NTFS)like EQ, GTA3, Warcraft 3 and alot of 1st person shooters (unreal, Quake, Halflife) and have no issues.

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July 11, 2002 4:47:36 PM

I'm not sure what I'm going to do about the backups. I do my personal data more frequently than backing up my program downloads.

And I don't know what the heck to do with 4,556 mp3s I have. It's 21.2GB of music! Do you back those up to CDs, too? I guess you can, then you stick new ones in the new folder, so you don't double-save mp3s. That'll take a crap load of work. Maybe I'll start clearing them out, because I don't listen to a lot of the music I have on there. I can thank that from the friends who come over and download stuff.

I'm also still not sure about the partitioning scheme. I just wouldn't want to have to worry about having to resize them if one starts to run out of space. So, I'm not sure whether it okay to have one big partition, or to split it up. I guess I just need to really think it through (or to have someone do it for me). :lol: 

At least I don't have a 60GXP in my system. I'm not too worried as I was before with a 75GXP. :smile:

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July 11, 2002 11:07:09 PM

You could look at other means of backups if that music is so important to you, like using tape drives and/or another hard drive like I do just as a backup for a backup, hard drives are cheap enough these days. I have a hard drive that remains totally unplugged until I feel I need to do the double/triple backup scenario, this way it is isolated from any potential power damage and corruption. A better way would be to have a rack mount hard drive tray where you could remove a drive quickly and easily from the system, then store it safely away. What I do with real important data is to get it off onto a CDR, have a copy placed on another system hard drive and have the extra hard drive with the copy as well. It sounds like an overkill, maybe it is but that data is very important to me and when things go wrong I have it. Music is easily replaced IMO so I consider losing it to be not a big issue, but when you have to install the O/s for the third time in a day I wished I had done that image that was suggested to me to do.

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July 12, 2002 2:09:23 AM

Just a quickie, but with an image of your OS...is it compressed, or an iso? What format is it? And more importantly, how do you copy it across to your root drive when you want to re-image?
July 12, 2002 5:28:07 AM

I guess it's only because I have so much stuff on my hard drive. I just need to clean out some old files and program downloads that I don't use anymore. Then, I don't think it'll take too much to back up...just a couple of CDs. Also, I just got to clean out my mp3s. You're right that they aren't too important, because you can download them all again. Although it would take awhile to replenish the number I have, it's okay.

When I get the money, I would probably get an external Firewire/USB 2.0 hard drive, for reasons you mentioned. That could be so much quicker than writing my files all to the CDs.

Imaging my OS is different, because that's just second nature. I do it automatically. :smile: I don't really have that problem, so that's cool.

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July 12, 2002 5:30:28 AM

When you image your operating system (with either Norton Ghost or Drive Image), it's a compressed file, that only that program you used can read. With both, you can burn that image straight to a CDR/CDRW, so that if your system gets screwed up, you can boot straight from that CD to restore your image.

You can to use the program you created the image with to restore it to your hard drive.

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July 12, 2002 12:55:29 PM

That's funny, because I'm almost obsessive-compulsive about cleaning my hard drive of stuff. When it's filled with stuff I find my swap file is slower and my programs load slower too, and besides, I hate having useless information stored on it that I don't actually use.

This is an odd-ended question, but do you really need that many MP3s? I used to have a lot, and I'm not sure how similar/dissimilar my situation is to yours but eventually I just went through my entire winamp playlist and asked myself, pragmatically, what songs do I <i>actually</i> listen to. And in the end I reduced the size of my MP3 collection by 33%. Because really there were a lot of crap songs. A lot of the MP3's you can download out there have some sound impurities. Unless you paid for these MP3s or plan on running an ftp server for people to download them, you might just want to reconsider. You could also try to put the collection on 35 CDR's but then you would have to organize them, label them, and store them somewhere.

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July 12, 2002 1:06:44 PM

<font color=red>*wondering which of my posts you were responding to</font color=red> :smile:

Well, yeah, there's no to have useless files take up your space. I don't know what the paging file is, because I have 512MB of memory. Task Manager reports a PF usage of 130MB, and it looks like it's directly from memory. So, I have plenty to spare. :wink: BTW, did any of you see DDR memory prices take a tiny jump?

As for the MP3s, I don't need that many. But, just so you know, practically <b>all of them are encoded at 192k</b>. But, I read in a LockerGnome newsletter that someone has like 2,000 songs right now. That's nuts, too. But, I plan to go through all of them and delete the songs I don't even listen to, ya know? Some might be like good, but old, and I just hope I don't trash those because you never know when you'll be in the mood for that. Hehe...

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July 13, 2002 8:07:10 PM

192bit is NICE on the ears...
128bit is nice on the hard drive. :wink:
and i have like 1,200 something mp3s right now, with more downloading.
lol
sure, i might not listen to all of them, but every once in a while, i want to listen to a song...and hey, i have it usually.

NTFS all the way baby! :smile:


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July 13, 2002 11:16:04 PM

2,000...1,200?? man.. I've got a shoutcast stream up as well as a FTP server and I've got over 10,000 MP3s!! Now tell me how to back THAT up :-) Thats why I've been looking into doing RAID 5 with 4 WD1200JB drives.

btw, anyone have a LTO drive they're willing to part with for...say....$100? :smile:

-Javic
July 14, 2002 12:39:38 AM

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2,000...1,200?? man.. I've got a shoutcast stream up as well as a FTP server and I've got over 10,000 MP3s!! Now tell me how to back THAT up :-) Thats why I've been looking into doing RAID 5 with 4 WD1200JB drives.

btw, anyone have a LTO drive they're willing to part with for...say....$100?

Wouldn't it be better to get a DVD burner and write the MP3s to a few DVD+R or DVD+RW? The "+" formats seem to be catching on nowadays. Besides 10 000 MP3s isn't <i>that</i> much space. That's just 30-50GB of space depending on the size of each MP3. 128kbps is about 1 min a megabyte.

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July 14, 2002 2:36:00 AM

Yeah but if you could get a LTO drive for $100 wouldn't you snatch it up? hehe... why waste 10+ DVD-R's when you can just set up the LTO and away you go! :-)
July 17, 2002 7:36:52 PM

partition Magic will convert it for you. I love the software and I used it a lot when I was a tech
July 18, 2002 8:22:24 AM

Yep that’s about the size of it. I would really like to know when DVD writers will become standardised like CDrw's overall (and I don't know what I’m talking about either) :tongue: , they are so pricey but a very good option for efficient removable media.
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