Instrumentation on "Wouldn't It Be Nice"??

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My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?
 
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Hmmmmm..........Mellotron and French horn? Just a guess.


"JMS" <Onajemusic1@aol.com> wrote in message
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> My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?
 
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Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?

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> Hmmmmm..........Mellotron and French horn? Just a guess.
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> > My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> > the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> > I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> > Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?
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Animix wrote:

> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?


No.
 
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JMS wrote:

> My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?


I believe it's a "section" of guitars.

Check out the "Pet Sounds" Box Set.
 
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"Animix" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message news:<ceb9hn025l1@enews2.newsguy.com>...
> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
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> "Animix" <animix_spamless_@animas.net> wrote in message
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> > Hmmmmm..........Mellotron and French horn? Just a guess.

Ha ha. Mellotron, french horn, synclavier? You're way off man, it
was obviously a DX7!

Seriously though I would have voted for harp but the "section of
guitars" idea sounds plausible.
 
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On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
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>Animix wrote:
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>> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
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>No.

No Mellotrons either.
 
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Onajemusic1@aol.com (JMS) wrote in message news:<acfc943a.0407290819.29a3cdb5@posting.google.com>...
> My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?


'Twas a ukulele.

And basically, the intro was a double-time of what was to transpire in
the middle part of the song ("maybe iiff we think and wish and hope
and pray, it might come true, ....").


Not sure if it was a real koa wood uke or not.



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On Jul 29, 2004, JMS <Onajemusic1@aol.com> commented:

> My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

I believe it's a circus calliope-type organ that opens up this track, not a
stringed instrument at all. There's also some double-accordion here and
there that was arranged in a way to resemble strings, but those are
definitely keyboards.

This is all discussed at length in the book

WOULDN'T IT BE NICE:
Brian Wilson and the Making of The Beach Boys' PET SOUNDS
by Charles L. Granata
published by Chicago Review Press (2003)
ISBN #1556525079

which goes into infinite detail on this song and many others on the album.

--MFW
[remove the extra M above for email]
 
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<< I believe it's a "section" of guitars. >>


Including, I believe, Barney Kessel and Glen Campbell. A Vox Mandoguitar was
used. Another electric mandolin of some sort... Fender, prolly.

By all means get the box set.


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"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
> <dcooper28800@comcast.net> wrote:
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> >Animix wrote:
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> >> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in
66?
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> >
> >No.
>
> No Mellotrons either.

Yeah, they did. They used them on "Penny Lane", which was recorded in, I
believe, the fall of '66. Before that, I think they were used to generate
laugh tracks for sitcoms (really).

Peace,
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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:35:16 GMT, "Paul Stamler"
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>"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
>> <dcooper28800@comcast.net> wrote:
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>> >Animix wrote:
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>> >> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in
>66?
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>> >No.
>>
>> No Mellotrons either.
>
>Yeah, they did. They used them on "Penny Lane", which was recorded in, I
>believe, the fall of '66. Before that, I think they were used to generate
>laugh tracks for sitcoms (really).

Penny Lane was released in '67, maybe recorded in '66, at any rate
they didn't have one in the states yet.

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playon wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
> <dcooper28800@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>Animix wrote:
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>>>Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
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>>No.
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> No Mellotrons either.

Are you sure about that? "Days Of Future Passed" came along in 1967.
 

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Wow! Lots of interesting concepts.
My buddy did mention the Uke.

The idea of the Giutar section with the Vox Mandoguitar sounds
possible.
People have mentioned the box set and books. Does either specifically
address the instrumentation?
There seems to be a varied idea based on these rec.audio.pro
responses.


> > My buddy and I are discussing the stringed instrument that opens up
> > the Beach Boys classic "Wouldn't It Be Nice".
> > I think it's a harp. He disagrees.
> > Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?
>
>
> 'Twas a ukulele.
>
> And basically, the intro was a double-time of what was to transpire in
> the middle part of the song ("maybe iiff we think and wish and hope
> and pray, it might come true, ....").
>
>
> Not sure if it was a real koa wood uke or not.
>
>
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> JF
 
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In article <41093D1E.879E2E65@comcast.net>, Don Cooper
<dcooper28800@comcast.net> writes:

>Animix wrote:
>
>> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
>

I doubt it. One of the coolest things about the album "Pet Sounds" is how Brian
Wilson got those unique sounds by combining (what I would consider to be)
improbable instruments such as accordions and tympani etc. He was getting
sounds that would, in later decades, be accessable mainly via synthesizers.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney
 
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Paul played a Mellotron on Strawberry Fields Forever :

Fascinating read about the recording here:

http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beatles/strawberry-fields.html

<snip>

"Take 7 is a mixdown from take 6. Take 6 was recorded Nov 29 1966. Lewisohn
says they started with a rhythm track, i.e. instruments with no vocals. To
this they added unspecified instrumental overdubs and a vocal track. Take 6
appears on a bootleg CD, "Unsurpassed Masters" (UM) volume 3, in which we
hear a mix as follows: LEFT, mellotron (Paul), drums (Ringo), occasional
guitar (John?), bass (Paul); CENTER, vocal (John); RIGHT, lead guitar
(George)."

Regards,

Doug Joyce
Animix Productions
Durango, CO



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> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
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> >Animix wrote:
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> >> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in
66?
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> >No.
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> No Mellotrons either.
 
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Sounds like a very-out-of-tune Fender Electric 12-string or
Mandoguitar to me...

The box set has a great pic of Barney Kessel playing a Gibson Custom
10-string A-model with F-holes mandolin...
Cool shot.

Bruce
 
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Sounds like a very-out-of-tune Fender Electric 12-string or
Mandoguitar to me...

The box set has a great pic of Barney Kessel playing a Gibson Custom
10-string A-model with F-holes mandolin...
Cool shot.

Bruce
 
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"Paul Stamler" <pstamlerhell@pobox.com> wrote in message news:<E_lOc.154099$OB3.86520@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
> "playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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> > On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
> > <dcooper28800@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Animix wrote:
> > >
> > >> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in
> 66?
> > >
> > >
> > >No.
> >
> > No Mellotrons either.
>
> Yeah, they did. They used them on "Penny Lane", which was recorded in, I
> believe, the fall of '66. Before that, I think they were used to generate
> laugh tracks for sitcoms (really).
>
> Peace,
> Paul


It was actually "Strawberry Fields Forever", but we knew what you
meant. Recorded in November and December of '66. But mellotrons were
around long before that, as others have pointed out.

As far as i can recall, a mellotron was used on the "Wild Honey"
album, but definately not on "Pet Sounds".

Both mandolins and ukulele were used in the song "Wouldn't It Be
Nice", and both were listed in the quite large line-up of instruments
used on that album.

Folks, it was a uke for the intro. There is no double course
instrument that can ring that clear. It was a ukulele. The mandolins
were used as rhythm instruments, e.g., the 'chunka, chunka,...'
*ritardando* after the middle section, and as the tremelo melody
during the "you know it seems the more we talk about it..." near the
end of the song.

Brian Wilson did use a harp (and harpsichord) on pretty much every
album since mid-'64,(well OK, mid/late '63 for the harp on "In My
Room") but i can't hear anywhere else on "Pet Sounds" were a ukulele
might have been used.

Then again, with all that bouncing, what do i know?



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On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:56:11 -0400, Jim Gilliland
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>playon wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:08:30 -0400, Don Cooper
>> <dcooper28800@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>>
>>>Animix wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
>>>
>>>
>>>No.
>>
>>
>> No Mellotrons either.
>
>Are you sure about that? "Days Of Future Passed" came along in 1967.

Pretty good history of the origins of the Mellotron here:

http://www.mellotron.com/history.htm

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Don Pearce wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:56:11 -0400, Jim Gilliland
> <usemylastname@cheerful.com> wrote:
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>>playon wrote:
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>>>No Mellotrons either.
>>
>>Are you sure about that? "Days Of Future Passed" came along in 1967.

> Pretty good history of the origins of the Mellotron here:
>
> http://www.mellotron.com/history.htm

Interesting stuff - I didn't know that much about the history of the
instrument. I remember Mike Pinder opening it up for me and showing me
the internals at a concert here back in the fall of 1968. (WHK
Ballroom, Cleveland).
 
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in article _c-dnY2BrL71qpfcRVn-vw@adelphia.com, Jim Gilliland at
usemylastname@cheerful.com wrote on 7/30/04 7:56 AM:

>> No Mellotrons either.
>
> Are you sure about that? "Days Of Future Passed" came along in 1967.

Mellotrons don't work very well for plucked or struck sounds.
Wouldn't it be Nice was tracked January 1966.

I agree with Guido - Vox Mandoguitar & Fender electric mandolin.
 
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umbriaco wrote:

> in article _c-dnY2BrL71qpfcRVn-vw@adelphia.com, Jim Gilliland at
> usemylastname@cheerful.com wrote on 7/30/04 7:56 AM:
>
>>>No Mellotrons either.
>>
>>Are you sure about that? "Days Of Future Passed" came along in 1967.
>
> Mellotrons don't work very well for plucked or struck sounds.
> Wouldn't it be Nice was tracked January 1966.

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that it had been used on "Wouldn't It Be
Nice". It's pretty obvious that that wasn't a Mellotron. I just
questioned that it hadn't been around in 1966.
 
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> Any die hard Beach Boys fans know what was used?

If I remember right from the Granata book on Pet Sounds (referred to
in another post), it's Billy Strange on a "detuned" guitar all by
himself.
 
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garthrr@aol.com (Garth) wrote in message news:<20040730042715.22164.00000083@mb-m05.aol.com>...
> In article <41093D1E.879E2E65@comcast.net>, Don Cooper
> <dcooper28800@comcast.net> writes:
>
> >Animix wrote:
> >
> >> Oops........maybe Synclavier? Did they even have Synclavier's back in 66?
> >
>
> I doubt it. One of the coolest things about the album "Pet Sounds" is how Brian
> Wilson got those unique sounds by combining (what I would consider to be)
> improbable instruments such as accordions and tympani etc. He was getting
> sounds that would, in later decades, be accessable mainly via synthesizers.
>
> Garth~


Thank goodness that Moog synthesizers were so rare in that day. Brian
Wilson was doing the accoustical version of that long before "Pet
Sounds".

He would so often 'ride' something on top of Carol Kaye's Fender bass
track, e.g. The opening to the song "Dance, Dance, Dance" was actually
an exception, where the plucked upright bass was incorporated, as
distinct from the electric bass there.

But otherwise, he would so often use horns, or bass saxes, or piano,
or harpsichord, note-for-note, to augment the bass line.

I used to think that the Beach Boys music had a bigger bass sound just
because it was louder. I learned later that the double low saxes in
"She's Not The Little Girl I Once Knew" or the horns also following
the bass line in "Here Today" on 'Pet Sounds' was such a big part of
that huge sound. (not to forget the harpsichord, changing the flavor
of the bass, yet again, near the end of that song)

I'm not even going to go into how some 20-23 year old who wrote only
simple popular tunes, with no musical theory training whatsoever,
could come up with 13'th chord harmony vocals and melodic, non-tonic
related bass lines.

It wobbles the mind.



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