what Mic(s) am I missing?

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kelly mcguire wrote:

> I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
> project studio. Here are the ones I have:
> Lawson L47mp
> AT4050(pair)
> AT4047
> At 3035
> AT4031 & 4041 pairs
> Earthworks SRO omnis(pair)
> various kick and dynamic mics(I'm covered there) I borrow other
> things from time to time.
> Preamps: Manley DVC, Focusrite Octopre, RNP, Soundcraft, Mackie,
> Joemeek, Rane, roland
> I do a lot of vocal things. The Lawson is my go-to. I'm mostly
> unhappy with the drum overhead area and an occasional tough voice
> where everything I have is a bit too crunchy. I think the lower end AT
> 4031s are going to go, 4051s look like a nice mic. I like doing 3 mic
> drums so a single overhead that sounds balanced and natural is
> attractive. I Like the idea of a Neumann 193 or similar. The Royer
> 121/122 is very interesting too. TLM 103, KSM32, Blue dragonfly, V69
> tube, AKG?? these are things I've been recommended. I like used and
> Ebay, haven't bought something new in a long time.
> Any thoughts?
> thanks in advance

Take a listen to a Blue Baby Bottle in place of the Dragonfly. I'd add
a Soundelux U195 to your collection as well. I've heard good things
about the MXL V69 and for less than 300 bucks you're not risking much
and besides you can always put it on ebay to get your money back if not
satisfied. My go to mic is a U195 and as of yet has not let me down. ;-)

Jim

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It wouldn't hurt to have a ribbon mic or two.

Al

On 31 Jul 2004 09:19:48 -0700, kellykellytunes@aol.com (kelly mcguire)
wrote:

>I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
>project studio. Here are the ones I have:
> Lawson L47mp
> AT4050(pair)
> AT4047
> At 3035
> AT4031 & 4041 pairs
> Earthworks SRO omnis(pair)
> various kick and dynamic mics(I'm covered there) I borrow other
>things from time to time.
>Preamps: Manley DVC, Focusrite Octopre, RNP, Soundcraft, Mackie,
>Joemeek, Rane, roland
> I do a lot of vocal things. The Lawson is my go-to. I'm mostly
>unhappy with the drum overhead area and an occasional tough voice
>where everything I have is a bit too crunchy. I think the lower end AT
>4031s are going to go, 4051s look like a nice mic. I like doing 3 mic
>drums so a single overhead that sounds balanced and natural is
>attractive. I Like the idea of a Neumann 193 or similar. The Royer
>121/122 is very interesting too. TLM 103, KSM32, Blue dragonfly, V69
>tube, AKG?? these are things I've been recommended. I like used and
>Ebay, haven't bought something new in a long time.
> Any thoughts?
> thanks in advance

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>
>kellykellytunes@aol.com (kelly mcguire) wrote in message
>news:<78467a6c.0407310819.57ae3613@posting.google.com>...
>> I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
>> project studio. Here are the ones I have:
>> Lawson L47mp
>> AT4050(pair)
>> AT4047
>> At 3035
>> AT4031 & 4041 pairs
>> Earthworks SRO omnis(pair)

What you have may be all you need, depending on what genre you record.

FWIW, I would get a ribbon, maybe a Beyer M160, and an EV RE20 large dynamic.
Some instruments and voices are gonna sound better with these than the
condensers you have. Also, you may want to look at some omni patterns like an
EV 635A small dynamic. These mics are very good recording mics and they're
under $500 each.

If you're doing drums sets, then I'd listen to the following:
SM-57; MD421; Audix D2, D4, D6; ATM25; AKG D112. All cardiod or hyper-cardiod
large or small dynamics.

Toys are great aren't they. :> ))

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

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kellykellytunes@aol.com (kelly mcguire) wrote in message
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> I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
> project studio. Here are the ones I have:
> Lawson L47mp
> AT4050(pair)
> AT4047
> At 3035
> AT4031 & 4041 pairs
> Earthworks SRO omnis(pair)

You have no Neumann mics. If you want to attract new clients, you need
a couple to prove your legitimacy. It looks like you probalby don't
record drums or amplifieirs, just acoustic instruments and vocals. If
you're recording your own work or inviting friends in to feed your
recording habit, you probably have everything you need.


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"andré tremblay" <studiocameleon@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:<J5ZOc.77933$Vp1.1598276@weber.videotron.net>...
> "kelly mcguire" <kellykellytunes@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
> news:78467a6c.0407310819.57ae3613@posting.google.com...
> > I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
> > project studio. Here are the ones I have:
> > Lawson L47mp
> > AT4050(pair)
> > AT4047
> > At 3035
> > AT4031 & 4041 pairs
> > Earthworks SRO omnis(pair)
> > various kick and dynamic mics(I'm covered there) I borrow other
> > things from time to time.
> > Preamps: Manley DVC, Focusrite Octopre, RNP, Soundcraft, Mackie,
> > Joemeek, Rane, roland
> > I do a lot of vocal things. The Lawson is my go-to. I'm mostly
> > unhappy with the drum overhead area and an occasional tough voice
> > where everything I have is a bit too crunchy. I think the lower end AT
> > 4031s are going to go, 4051s look like a nice mic. I like doing 3 mic
> > drums so a single overhead that sounds balanced and natural is
> > attractive. I Like the idea of a Neumann 193 or similar. The Royer
> > 121/122 is very interesting too. TLM 103, KSM32, Blue dragonfly, V69
> > tube, AKG?? these are things I've been recommended. I like used and
> > Ebay, haven't bought something new in a long time.
> > Any thoughts?
> > thanks in advance
>
> My mic cabinet looks like yours, and I'm very happy with my Oktava mc012
> matched pair, that ad a "color" to my "palette". Very good value for the
> price.
> Less hyped top than the 4041, more "naturel" sounding for acoustic
> instruments like horns and strings.
> I also use them often as drum overhead and stereo ac. gtr
>
> I also had great results on a curved soprano sax, in m/s miking with one
> Oktava as cardioid center, and a 4050 vertically mounted as up and down
> "sides" .
> The mastering engineer on this project could not believe how we got this
> soprano sound!
Thanks all! Some good suggestions. I have some nice dynamics like
ATM25, D112, P10, 57s, 58s, betas. It seems after reading and thinking
about it I need some character mics. I've heard that the Baby Bottle
is a nice role player mic. I'm scared of used Beyer ribbons but they
seem like something of intrest. I'm getting tired of the 4041s for
overheads as they have a smeared, slightly grainy sound. The Octavas
have been inconsistent to my ears. I really havent found a good pair
of Tom mics for a 4 piece drumset. ATM63s have done well. Borrowed a
beta56 which worked pretty well. Never had much luck with 421s...
anyhow, appreciate the suggestions.

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"kelly mcguire" <kellykellytunes@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
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> "andré tremblay" <studiocameleon@videotron.ca> wrote in message
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> > "kelly mcguire" <kellykellytunes@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de
> > news:78467a6c.0407310819.57ae3613@posting.google.com...
> > > I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
> > > project studio. Here are the ones I have:



> > > The Octavas have been inconsistent to my ears.

I live very far away, north, in Canada, and I was afraid to buy a pair of
mic that were not matched for stereo:
it seems that Oktavas are sometimes very different from one to the other,
so I paid a higher price but had confidence, very personal service and a
well working matched pair from The sound room.
It's the way to go for tha Oktavas...

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kelly mcguire wrote:
> I need some feedback on rounding out the modest mic selection at my
> project studio. Here are the ones I have:
> Lawson L47mp
> AT4050(pair)
> AT4047
> At 3035
> AT4031 & 4041 pairs

I think I'd be looking for something that didn't start with "AT". Just for
a change....

geoff

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I visited Wes Dooley at AEA and his prototype stereo ribbon mic was
wonderful. Some Neumanns, KM84s or if you want to spend the $$$ KM54
are great on overheads and will also be great on acoustic guitars.

Audy O

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>kellykellytunes@aol.com (kelly mcguire)
> I do a lot of vocal things. The Lawson is my go-to.

A TLM 103, or used U89 would be a nice alternative. But Neumanns sound
funky with the Mackie pres, so stay away from that combination.

>I'm mostly
>unhappy with the drum overhead area and an occasional tough voice
>where everything I have is a bit too crunchy. I think the lower end AT
>4031s are going to go, 4051s look like a nice mic. I like doing 3 mic
>drums so a single overhead that sounds balanced and natural is
>attractive. I Like the idea of a Neumann 193 or similar. The Royer
>121/122 is very interesting too

You might try using your Earthworks Omnis over the kit, they can make your
cymbals sound smoother and the room sound larger. I usually use omnis with
more than 2 close mics though. A used pair of Neumann KM184's (unmatched is
generally ok) would be a nice addition sonically and to see in your gear list,
I think they're running about $400-$450 or so each on Ebay, a bit more maybe
with a nice box.

>TLM 103, KSM32, Blue dragonfly, V69
>tube, AKG?? these are things I've been recommended. I like used and
>Ebay, haven't bought something new in a long time.
> Any thoughts?

For a "tough voice" be willing to try a dynamic mic, like a Sennheiser MD
441, MD431 or MD421, or a Beyer M69 or M88, or a ribbon like a Beyer M500 or
260. The MD 441 is great, the 431 has the same capsule, and the rest all
mellow out harshness pretty well.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
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