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From: loudcds@yahoo.com

--- quote:

Are you SICK and TIRED of quiet CD's?

Are your older CD's too quiet to listen to in the car? Is the noise
from having the car windows down drowning out your beloved music?

Did you know that almost ALL CD's released prior to 1994 are seriously
lacking in volume? Did you know that there's NO technological reason
for these discs to be so low in volume? Did you know there's an
effective and inexpensive service that will maximize the volume of ALL
your music on CD, Cassette or even Vinyl?

Even CD's released AFTER 1994 are still often limited in volume by up
to a few decibels!!! Mastering engineers often do this in order to
make all the songs on a particular album appear equal in volume to the
human ear. They don't take into effect the fact that a lot of people
need every decibel they can get when it comes to various listening
environments such as while driving their car or truck.

For those people that participate in car audio competitions such as
dbDrag Racing, you all know how important a single decibel can be! I
gaurantee you that even if you purchased a commercial CD today, or
downloaded a recently released MP3, you are still NOT getting the
maximum possible volume and are missing-out on up to 3-5 decibels!
The difference between 80 and 85 decibels is tremendous!

For all you up and coming musicians, are you having a hard time
creating a nice, loud master disc? Do you feel like your home-made
recordings simply cannot compete with todays commercial CD's? Are you
and your band members having issues with getting that "boomy" bass or
"heart pounding" kick drum to sound as good on CD as it does live?
Regardless of whether you're the next Metallica, Fat Boy Slim, or 50
Cent, the use of my services will help your songs get NOTICED!

You might be thinking to yourself, "will this service ruin the sound
quality of my music?", well, I can tell you without any doubt that my
mastering techniques have absolutely NO effect on the quality of your
music! In fact, ALL, and I mean ALL, of my customers to date cannot
believe the difference in sound that they are able to experience with
one of my re-mastered discs. They often see no need to keep their
older, quieter version any longer.

Now, is this service for everybody? No, not at all. If you ONLY
listen to your music at home on a very expensive sound system with
plenty of wattage to spare, using my service will only allow you to
listen to your music louder at a lower setting on the volume knob.
Therefore, for this group of people, the service is not absolutely
neccessary.

But, for those of us that have standard home audio systems, or
portable boom boxes, and just LOVE to listen to our favourite music
while driving in our car or truck, this service is of maximum value to
you and your ears!

With most pre-1994 discs, I am able to maximize up to at least 10
decibels. How loud is 10 decibels? Well, an increase of 9 decibels
is DOUBLE the volume!! Yes, I said DOUBLE!! Can you imagine driving
around with your favourite CD at DOUBLE the current volume!!??

Using my studio of state-of-the-art audio editing software and
hardware, I am able to completely maximize your listening pleasure.
The equipment I use is the same equipment used around the world by
major studio engineers. Stop listening to your older, inferior CD's
when you can pay a small fee to have them re-mastered and playing at
volume levels that out-perform even today's commercially released
CD's!

Satisfaction is 100% GAURANTEED.

But hey, don't listen to me, listen to your ears!!

This service can be performed on all types of media, and is not
limited to commercial CD's. Media such as DVD, AC3, MP3, WMA, and
even Cassettes, can be re-mastered and have their volume levels
maximized.

- Commercial CD Re-Mastered
- Commercial DVD Re-Mastered
- MP3/WMA file Re-Mastered
- Cassette to CD (straight transfer)
- Cassette to CD (re-mastered)
- Cassette to MP3 (straight transfer)
- Cassette to MP3 (re-mastered)
- Vinyl to CD (straight transfer)
- Vinyl to CD (re-mastered)
- Vinyl to MP3 (straight transfer)
- Vinyl to MP3 (re-mastered)
- CD to MP3 (re-mastered)
- VHS to DVD (re-mastered)

These are just SOME of the services that I offer, and special requests
are almost always fulfilled whenever possible. For example, do you
want a compilation CD of your favourite music, but want the volume
levels of all the songs to be equal? No problem! Besides, who wants
to be fiddling with the volume knob after every song!? Have you tried
and tried to get a disc filled with MP3 files to play in the exact
order that you specify, but have been unsuccessful in doing so? No
problem! I can do that for you too. Are you a car audio buff who
needs a CD filled with various test tones? No problem! I can create
a disc filled with tones starting as low as 10hz and as high as
20,000hz. Even though at a high-pitched 20,000hz, you're dog will be
hearing the tone more than you!

So, what are the prices for all of these fabulous services!?

Well, not a lot! Here's the price breakdown for everything but
special requests:

Commercial CD Re-Mastered = $5.00
Commercial DVD Re-Mastered = $10.00
MP3/WMA file Re-Mastered = $5.00
Cassette to CD (straight transfer) = $3.00
Cassette to CD (re-mastered) = $5.00
Cassette to MP3 (straight transfer) = $3.00
Cassette to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
Vinyl to CD (straight transfer) = $3.00
Vinyl to CD (re-mastered) = $5.00
Vinyl to MP3 (straight transfer) = $3.00
Vinyl to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
CD to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
VHS to DVD (re-mastered) = $15.00

All of these costs INCLUDE the cost of the blank media! (CD-R, DVD-R)

PLUS, all Cassette and Vinyl transfers include the option of having
the audio "cleaned-up" using various software programs to rid the
music of the hiss, crackle and pop that can sometimes hinder these
media types all for just $1.00 more.

Plus, there's HUGE discounts for balk purchases. Need 20 of your
older CD's re-mastered and louder? That would cost ONLY $60!! That's
only $3/disc!! Need 10 of your good 'ol cassette tapes put on CD and
re-mastered? That would ONLY cost you $30!! That is $20 OFF!! For
more balk discounts, simply send me an e-mail and I will give you a
quote within a few hours.

There's almost nothing that I can't do when it comes to your audio
needs. Just ask, and I'm sure I can help you, and at a very
reasonable cost.

The time is now! Stop avoiding that rare 1986 cassette that you love,
just because it can't match the quality and volume of todays
commercially released CD's. Stop wishing you could listen to that
beloved vinyl record in your car on CD. Contact me today and make
your audio dreams come true...

I don't offer these services in an attempt to "become rich". I do
this because I LOVE it! It's my passion. I truly enjoy hearing
peoples reaction to their newly re-mastered music! I ALWAYS try to
save my customers money when at all possible.

In fact, just to prove this point, I often go out of my way to do save
my customers shipping costs. For example, for people who are not
located in the same city as I am, the first thing I do when contacted
about a particular job is try to locate the album locally. Whether I
myself have it, or a close friend or family member, or even a local
library, I always try to save some shipping costs. Same goes for
those wanting MP3 files. I will often set-up an FTP site containing
the files in order to allow my customer to download them instead of
having to pay for the shipping costs of having me send them the files
on disc.

As far as turnaround times go, for single CD's or Cassettes, I will
almost ALWAYS complete the entire job on the day I receive the media
in the mail. Therefore, your newly re-mastered CD can be back in the
mail within only TWO days after I receive it! Usually all of my North
American customers get their packages within 7 days TOTAL after they
first send it out!

I will soon be placing comparison MP3 files online that potential
clients can download in order to HEAR the differences I am referring
to. Trust me, you will be amazed!

In the meantime, please contact me at: loudcds@yahoo.com

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Beleave it or not, I have done a bit of this for people.
People with damaged hearing are seriously neglected by the music industry.
With the right treatment, they can hear their music for a few more years.
As far as piracy, no one with good ears would find them appealing, so I
don't see the issue.


"Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
news:cfb8gj$5pb$1@news1.chem.utoronto.ca...
>
> Wow! If anyone from the record labels or publishing house reads this,
> call the lawyers. It obviously isn't legal, it is just another type
> of music piracy, with a profit motive.
>
> (Hey, did anyone think that Arnie had posted this to show to what low
> levels (or is it high levels) mastering can sink to?---I thought so at
first).
>
> Rob R.
>
> Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
> > From: loudcds@yahoo.com
>
> > --- quote:
>
> > Are you SICK and TIRED of quiet CD's?
>
> > Are your older CD's too quiet to listen to in the car? Is the noise
> > from having the car windows down drowning out your beloved music?
>
> > Did you know that almost ALL CD's released prior to 1994 are seriously
> > lacking in volume? Did you know that there's NO technological reason
> > for these discs to be so low in volume? Did you know there's an
> > effective and inexpensive service that will maximize the volume of ALL
> > your music on CD, Cassette or even Vinyl?
>
> > Even CD's released AFTER 1994 are still often limited in volume by up
> > to a few decibels!!! Mastering engineers often do this in order to
> > make all the songs on a particular album appear equal in volume to the
> > human ear. They don't take into effect the fact that a lot of people
> > need every decibel they can get when it comes to various listening
> > environments such as while driving their car or truck.
>
> > For those people that participate in car audio competitions such as
> > dbDrag Racing, you all know how important a single decibel can be! I
> > gaurantee you that even if you purchased a commercial CD today, or
> > downloaded a recently released MP3, you are still NOT getting the
> > maximum possible volume and are missing-out on up to 3-5 decibels!
> > The difference between 80 and 85 decibels is tremendous!
>
> > For all you up and coming musicians, are you having a hard time
> > creating a nice, loud master disc? Do you feel like your home-made
> > recordings simply cannot compete with todays commercial CD's? Are you
> > and your band members having issues with getting that "boomy" bass or
> > "heart pounding" kick drum to sound as good on CD as it does live?
> > Regardless of whether you're the next Metallica, Fat Boy Slim, or 50
> > Cent, the use of my services will help your songs get NOTICED!
>
> > You might be thinking to yourself, "will this service ruin the sound
> > quality of my music?", well, I can tell you without any doubt that my
> > mastering techniques have absolutely NO effect on the quality of your
> > music! In fact, ALL, and I mean ALL, of my customers to date cannot
> > believe the difference in sound that they are able to experience with
> > one of my re-mastered discs. They often see no need to keep their
> > older, quieter version any longer.
>
> > Now, is this service for everybody? No, not at all. If you ONLY
> > listen to your music at home on a very expensive sound system with
> > plenty of wattage to spare, using my service will only allow you to
> > listen to your music louder at a lower setting on the volume knob.
> > Therefore, for this group of people, the service is not absolutely
> > neccessary.
>
> > But, for those of us that have standard home audio systems, or
> > portable boom boxes, and just LOVE to listen to our favourite music
> > while driving in our car or truck, this service is of maximum value to
> > you and your ears!
>
> > With most pre-1994 discs, I am able to maximize up to at least 10
> > decibels. How loud is 10 decibels? Well, an increase of 9 decibels
> > is DOUBLE the volume!! Yes, I said DOUBLE!! Can you imagine driving
> > around with your favourite CD at DOUBLE the current volume!!??
>
> > Using my studio of state-of-the-art audio editing software and
> > hardware, I am able to completely maximize your listening pleasure.
> > The equipment I use is the same equipment used around the world by
> > major studio engineers. Stop listening to your older, inferior CD's
> > when you can pay a small fee to have them re-mastered and playing at
> > volume levels that out-perform even today's commercially released
> > CD's!
>
> > Satisfaction is 100% GAURANTEED.
>
> > But hey, don't listen to me, listen to your ears!!
>
> > This service can be performed on all types of media, and is not
> > limited to commercial CD's. Media such as DVD, AC3, MP3, WMA, and
> > even Cassettes, can be re-mastered and have their volume levels
> > maximized.
>
> > - Commercial CD Re-Mastered
> > - Commercial DVD Re-Mastered
> > - MP3/WMA file Re-Mastered
> > - Cassette to CD (straight transfer)
> > - Cassette to CD (re-mastered)
> > - Cassette to MP3 (straight transfer)
> > - Cassette to MP3 (re-mastered)
> > - Vinyl to CD (straight transfer)
> > - Vinyl to CD (re-mastered)
> > - Vinyl to MP3 (straight transfer)
> > - Vinyl to MP3 (re-mastered)
> > - CD to MP3 (re-mastered)
> > - VHS to DVD (re-mastered)
>
> > These are just SOME of the services that I offer, and special requests
> > are almost always fulfilled whenever possible. For example, do you
> > want a compilation CD of your favourite music, but want the volume
> > levels of all the songs to be equal? No problem! Besides, who wants
> > to be fiddling with the volume knob after every song!? Have you tried
> > and tried to get a disc filled with MP3 files to play in the exact
> > order that you specify, but have been unsuccessful in doing so? No
> > problem! I can do that for you too. Are you a car audio buff who
> > needs a CD filled with various test tones? No problem! I can create
> > a disc filled with tones starting as low as 10hz and as high as
> > 20,000hz. Even though at a high-pitched 20,000hz, you're dog will be
> > hearing the tone more than you!
>
> > So, what are the prices for all of these fabulous services!?
>
> > Well, not a lot! Here's the price breakdown for everything but
> > special requests:
>
> > Commercial CD Re-Mastered = $5.00
> > Commercial DVD Re-Mastered = $10.00
> > MP3/WMA file Re-Mastered = $5.00
> > Cassette to CD (straight transfer) = $3.00
> > Cassette to CD (re-mastered) = $5.00
> > Cassette to MP3 (straight transfer) = $3.00
> > Cassette to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
> > Vinyl to CD (straight transfer) = $3.00
> > Vinyl to CD (re-mastered) = $5.00
> > Vinyl to MP3 (straight transfer) = $3.00
> > Vinyl to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
> > CD to MP3 (re-mastered) = $5.00
> > VHS to DVD (re-mastered) = $15.00
>
> > All of these costs INCLUDE the cost of the blank media! (CD-R, DVD-R)
>
> > PLUS, all Cassette and Vinyl transfers include the option of having
> > the audio "cleaned-up" using various software programs to rid the
> > music of the hiss, crackle and pop that can sometimes hinder these
> > media types all for just $1.00 more.
>
> > Plus, there's HUGE discounts for balk purchases. Need 20 of your
> > older CD's re-mastered and louder? That would cost ONLY $60!! That's
> > only $3/disc!! Need 10 of your good 'ol cassette tapes put on CD and
> > re-mastered? That would ONLY cost you $30!! That is $20 OFF!! For
> > more balk discounts, simply send me an e-mail and I will give you a
> > quote within a few hours.
>
> > There's almost nothing that I can't do when it comes to your audio
> > needs. Just ask, and I'm sure I can help you, and at a very
> > reasonable cost.
>
> > The time is now! Stop avoiding that rare 1986 cassette that you love,
> > just because it can't match the quality and volume of todays
> > commercially released CD's. Stop wishing you could listen to that
> > beloved vinyl record in your car on CD. Contact me today and make
> > your audio dreams come true...
>
> > I don't offer these services in an attempt to "become rich". I do
> > this because I LOVE it! It's my passion. I truly enjoy hearing
> > peoples reaction to their newly re-mastered music! I ALWAYS try to
> > save my customers money when at all possible.
>
> > In fact, just to prove this point, I often go out of my way to do save
> > my customers shipping costs. For example, for people who are not
> > located in the same city as I am, the first thing I do when contacted
> > about a particular job is try to locate the album locally. Whether I
> > myself have it, or a close friend or family member, or even a local
> > library, I always try to save some shipping costs. Same goes for
> > those wanting MP3 files. I will often set-up an FTP site containing
> > the files in order to allow my customer to download them instead of
> > having to pay for the shipping costs of having me send them the files
> > on disc.
>
> > As far as turnaround times go, for single CD's or Cassettes, I will
> > almost ALWAYS complete the entire job on the day I receive the media
> > in the mail. Therefore, your newly re-mastered CD can be back in the
> > mail within only TWO days after I receive it! Usually all of my North
> > American customers get their packages within 7 days TOTAL after they
> > first send it out!
>
> > I will soon be placing comparison MP3 files online that potential
> > clients can download in order to HEAR the differences I am referring
> > to. Trust me, you will be amazed!
>
> > In the meantime, please contact me at: loudcds@yahoo.com
>
>

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"Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
news:cfb8gj$5pb$1@news1.chem.utoronto.ca
> Wow! If anyone from the record labels or publishing house reads this,
> call the lawyers. It obviously isn't legal, it is just another type
> of music piracy, with a profit motive.
>
> (Hey, did anyone think that Arnie had posted this to show to what low
> levels (or is it high levels) mastering can sink to?---I thought so
> at first).

In case I haven't made it clear enough, global dynamic range reduction makes
me want to puke, but I do understand the need for reducing dynamic range in
specific cases. I think that dynamic range reduction should be a standard
feature on equipment that is likely to be used in sitautions where excess
dynamic range can be a problem.

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Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>If you *really* wanted to make it sound even louder you could process each
>octave ( for example ) individually.

Folks do this. One local radio station basically had third-octave
dividers made from a hacked-up graphic EQ, feeding a rack of compressors,
two per band plus a limiter, then a summing network afterward. It sounded
very bad, but it achieved the goal of making many very different recordings
all sound the same.

>On a practical note however, I do notice that DVD soundtracks often have a
>dynamic range that isn't entirely compatible with home viewing ( unless
>you seriously want to do the whole home theatre trick ).

In the case of Dolby Digital, there is additional information about dynamics
encoded into the track, which your decoder can use to compress the sound in
a predictable way, specifically for this reason. You may have to wade through
hundreds of menus, though.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote in
news:cfbukj$9d5$1@panix2.panix.com:

> Pooh Bear <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you *really* wanted to make it sound even louder you could process
>>each octave ( for example ) individually.
>
> Folks do this. One local radio station basically had third-octave
> dividers made from a hacked-up graphic EQ, feeding a rack of
> compressors, two per band plus a limiter, then a summing network
> afterward. It sounded very bad, but it achieved the goal of making
> many very different recordings all sound the same.

Wouldn't that also create hurricane noise levels?

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Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
> "Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
> news:cfb8gj$5pb$1@news1.chem.utoronto.ca
>> Wow! If anyone from the record labels or publishing house reads this,
>> call the lawyers. It obviously isn't legal, it is just another type
>> of music piracy, with a profit motive.
>>
>> (Hey, did anyone think that Arnie had posted this to show to what low
>> levels (or is it high levels) mastering can sink to?---I thought so
>> at first).

> In case I haven't made it clear enough, global dynamic range reduction makes
> me want to puke, but I do understand the need for reducing dynamic range in
> specific cases. I think that dynamic range reduction should be a standard
> feature on equipment that is likely to be used in sitautions where excess
> dynamic range can be a problem.

Arnie, I don't think the angle of this "business" is really about making
louder sounding CDs. I think they are more about selling pirated copies.
Did you see the line about if you are not in the same city as him,
instead of shipping him the CD to be remastered, he will find a copy
and save you the trouble?

As for the loudness wars, I am in full agreement with you.

Rob R.

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"Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
news:cfd4ah$23k$1@news1.chem.utoronto.ca
> Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
>> "Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message
>> news:cfb8gj$5pb$1@news1.chem.utoronto.ca
>>> Wow! If anyone from the record labels or publishing house reads
>>> this, call the lawyers. It obviously isn't legal, it is just
>>> another type of music piracy, with a profit motive.
>>>
>>> (Hey, did anyone think that Arnie had posted this to show to what
>>> low levels (or is it high levels) mastering can sink to?---I
>>> thought so at first).
>
>> In case I haven't made it clear enough, global dynamic range
>> reduction makes me want to puke, but I do understand the need for
>> reducing dynamic range in specific cases. I think that dynamic range
>> reduction should be a standard feature on equipment that is likely
>> to be used in sitautions where excess dynamic range can be a problem.
>
> Arnie, I don't think the angle of this "business" is really about
> making louder sounding CDs.

That could be.

> I think they are more about selling pirated copies.

That could be.

>Did you see the line about if you are not in the same
> city as him, instead of shipping him the CD to be remastered, he will
> find a copy and save you the trouble?

That wouldn't be exactly legal, would it?

> As for the loudness wars, I am in full agreement with you.

That was the point I was trying to make by reposting this. BTW, some of his
*technical* arguments are fallacious, as you probably know.

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:21:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
wrote:

>"Rob Reedijk" <reedijk@hera.med.utoronto.ca> wrote in message

>> Arnie, I don't think the angle of this "business" is really about
>> making louder sounding CDs.
>
>That could be.
>
>> I think they are more about selling pirated copies.
>
>That could be.
>
>>Did you see the line about if you are not in the same
>> city as him, instead of shipping him the CD to be remastered, he will
>> find a copy and save you the trouble?
>
>That wouldn't be exactly legal, would it?

That's true if you didn't have the CD... and even if you did, he
wouldn't be able to verify your ownership (without some verification
scheme like mp3.com was using a few years ago for the "my.mp3.com"
program so you could play "your" CD's on any computer).

I can imagine the poster of this thing having bought into a spam
saying "get paid to share your music online!"

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

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Sugarite <not for you> wrote:
> Beleave it or not, I have done a bit of this for people.
> People with damaged hearing are seriously neglected by the music
> industry.

and here I thought they became mix engineers for live shows... (:

> With the right treatment, they can hear their music for a few more
> years.

most modern hearing aids have some form of compression built in.

--
Aaron J. Grier | "Not your ordinary poofy goof." | agrier@poofygoof.com
"someday the industry will have throbbing frontal lobes and will be able
to write provably correct software. also, I want a pony." -- Zach Brown

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"reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in
news:5dqdnc2le_8MRofcRVn-gw@adelphia.com:

> As far as 'a/v recievers' go, it's coming to that. The compression is
> called 'midnight mode' on mine. It is really only designed for movies,
> however.

Is that for the movie content or for the 110 dB commercials?

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:cfg26q$7jm$1@panix2.panix.com...
> Carey Carlan <gulfjoe@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >"reddred" <opaloka@REMOVECAPSyahoo.com> wrote in
> >news:5dqdnc2le_8MRofcRVn-gw@adelphia.com:
> >
> >> As far as 'a/v recievers' go, it's coming to that. The compression is
> >> called 'midnight mode' on mine. It is really only designed for movies,
> >> however.
> >
> >Is that for the movie content or for the 110 dB commercials?
>
> It is for whatever content has DD subcode to enable it.

It also works with DTS. It does the job, but generally sounds horrible,
particularly during musical passages - you could say the effect 'breathes'
life into regular soundtracks.

jb

> This means that
> if you are sending a DD stream, you could easily insert commercials with
> the compression not only disabled but the nominal level cranked way up.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."