Buying Second Hand Mixer

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"HKC" <henrikkrogh@mail.dk> wrote in message news:<4119ec56$0$233$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>...
> I intend to buy a second hand mixer like Soundcraft Ghost or something
> priced similarly. I have seen them as low as 2000 euros which is definately
> possible for me to pay. My limit is around the 3000 euro mark but there seem
> to be quite a few mixers to choose from. Soundtracs Quartz, Soundcraft 6000,
> Tac Scorpion or even better Matchless, Tascam 600......Which mixer would you
> advice me to go for, my needs are quite small since I do most of my
> recording through pre-amps.
> The real motive behind this purchase is to stand out of the Mackie/Behringer
> studios that pop up everywhere. I have recently done a string of rather
> successfull projects and it has given me enough money (read faith) to move
> my studio from my basement into a "just about to be built" cottage in my
> garden. Since this would mean a total rewire of everything I thought the
> timing of changing my mixer couldn´t be better. 16/8/2 inline channels would
> be enough but obviously 24 would be better as looks does matter when it
> comes to clients. I won´t actually buy the mixer before January (tax
> reasons) but the research starts now.
>
>
> Henrik Krogh
> henrikkrogh@mail.dk

Two words of advice:

1. Figure out how many channels you think you need, then buy a console
that has twice as many. 16 channels may seem like enough but I bet
you'd run out quickly.

2. Buy modular if you can (and at 3000 Euros you should be able to
find a used console that is still modular). When you need to fix
something minor and have to uncable the console and flip it over to
get to it, you'll really, really wish you'd bought a modular console.

Analogeezer

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Modular is relative. My Soundtracs Solo is modular, but you can't just yank
a board out the top of the board. My Crest XR20 is modular but you can't
just yank a board out the top. Both have a serial buss that support insert
boards, but neither are intuitive to open and repair. Both can be repaired
by the user, however. It's just not easy. Easy and doable are two
different things.

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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


"Analogeezer" <analogeezer@aerosolkings.com> wrote in message
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> "HKC" <henrikkrogh@mail.dk> wrote in message
news:<4119ec56$0$233$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk>...
> > I intend to buy a second hand mixer like Soundcraft Ghost or something
> > priced similarly. I have seen them as low as 2000 euros which is
definately
> > possible for me to pay. My limit is around the 3000 euro mark but there
seem
> > to be quite a few mixers to choose from. Soundtracs Quartz, Soundcraft
6000,
> > Tac Scorpion or even better Matchless, Tascam 600......Which mixer would
you
> > advice me to go for, my needs are quite small since I do most of my
> > recording through pre-amps.
> > The real motive behind this purchase is to stand out of the
Mackie/Behringer
> > studios that pop up everywhere. I have recently done a string of rather
> > successfull projects and it has given me enough money (read faith) to
move
> > my studio from my basement into a "just about to be built" cottage in my
> > garden. Since this would mean a total rewire of everything I thought the
> > timing of changing my mixer couldn´t be better. 16/8/2 inline channels
would
> > be enough but obviously 24 would be better as looks does matter when it
> > comes to clients. I won´t actually buy the mixer before January (tax
> > reasons) but the research starts now.
> >
> >
> > Henrik Krogh
> > henrikkrogh@mail.dk
>
> Two words of advice:
>
> 1. Figure out how many channels you think you need, then buy a console
> that has twice as many. 16 channels may seem like enough but I bet
> you'd run out quickly.
>
> 2. Buy modular if you can (and at 3000 Euros you should be able to
> find a used console that is still modular). When you need to fix
> something minor and have to uncable the console and flip it over to
> get to it, you'll really, really wish you'd bought a modular console.
>
> Analogeezer

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George <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>In article <411b95ca$0$5899$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>,
> "Roger W. Norman" <Roger@SirMusicStudio.com> wrote:
>
>> Modular is relative. My Soundtracs Solo is modular, but you can't just yank
>> a board out the top of the board. My Crest XR20 is modular but you can't
>> just yank a board out the top. Both have a serial buss that support insert
>> boards, but neither are intuitive to open and repair. Both can be repaired
>> by the user, however. It's just not easy. Easy and doable are two
>> different things.
>>
>nothing like the noiseless hot swappable channels on the cadac, huh

Yeah, but I can't even _rent_ a baby Cadac. I wanted one of the little
S-series consoles and nobody seems to have any rentals on the east coast.
So, I'll probably wind up with an XR20...
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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George <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>I almost went for a short loaded one at aes bvt I didn't have 3 phase
>power it reqvired!!!or the 30,000$ for a 24 ch desk!

I thovght the little S-series covld rvn off of 120V power. I was able
to get a shortloaded J-series for rent at a pretty reasonable price, bvt
it's still hvge and still reqvires 240V split power. The shipping costs
and the additional costs to get a vnion electrician to drop another 240V
feed killed that.
--scott

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"C'est vn Nagra. C'est svisse, et tres, tres precis."

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Yov're svpposed to be able to tie into the mains and rvn yovr own circvit
system, bvt that's withovt Union intevention. I know that a a covple of
benefits I've done we've taken feeds off the mains and rvn a "svb" and done
the job, everything being feed to the FOH and then rvnning power to the
stage. It's still the way I work, althovgh I only take commercial power
(vsvally 30 amps) from the wall at venves like the festival and then power
the stage from that. That way I have no problems with grovnd loops. Wovld
that have been the problem with Keter Betts' bass amplification?

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Roger W. Norman
SirMvsic Stvdio


"Scott Dorsey" <klvdge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> George <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> >I almost went for a short loaded one at aes bvt I didn't have 3 phase
> >power it reqvired!!!or the 30,000$ for a 24 ch desk!
>
> I thovght the little S-series covld rvn off of 120V power. I was able
> to get a shortloaded J-series for rent at a pretty reasonable price, bvt
> it's still hvge and still reqvires 240V split power. The shipping costs
> and the additional costs to get a vnion electrician to drop another 240V
> feed killed that.
> --scott
>
> --
> "C'est vn Nagra. C'est svisse, et tres, tres precis."

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> I'd pick up a Soundtracs over a Ghost, but that's just me and because I
> already did so. A Quartz is a really nice console for that price. I'd stay
> away from the Scorpion and a Matchless is only iffy (headroom issues).
> Tascam 600 is not an option other than price since it's days are well done
> and you'd be spending extra bucks on a refurb. Still, at best it's noisier
> than most you've mentioned. Obviously the Ghost is the newer of them all
> and probably would be the better buy in terms of usage versus maintenance.

the allen and heath gs3000 is worth looking into if you can find one.
i'm very happy with mine, both sound and flexibility-wise....

jeff

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Thanks. I hate not having my other older computer up and running. Every
time I turn around, any of the information I need is on that one! <g>

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Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


"George Perfect" <xgeorgep@oxtrackstudio.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In this place, Roger W. Norman was recorded saying ...
>
> > I don't have the link for the well known resale site in the UK for
> > Soundtracs because this isn't the computer I normally use and I haven't
> > transferred everything over, but it's something like studiosystems.com
> > (maybe someone can step in here and give him the actual URL).
>
> http://www.studiosys.demon.co.uk/
>
> --
> George
> Newcastle, England
>
> Problems worthy of attack
> Prove their worth by hitting back - Piet Hein