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Anonymous
August 11, 2004 6:51:20 PM

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I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
by InfinaDyne which is ok.
Anonymous
August 11, 2004 6:51:21 PM

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Powell wrote:

> I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> by InfinaDyne which is ok.

Why not use PlexTools Professional, which works with the 712?

<http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PTP_history.htm&...;
August 11, 2004 7:24:34 PM

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"Powell" <nospam@noquacking.com> wrote in message news:<10hkqhcev1oqmce@corp.supernews.com>...
> I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> by InfinaDyne which is ok.

I think Nero has some kind of testing features built into. I doubt
they are better than what is provided with the Plextor Plextools
sweet. I think the beta/jitter and the c1/c2 error testing features
provide some tools for evaluating redbook compliance.

I actually just bought the same drive and have been trying to find
similar info. As best I can tell the Plextor Varirec feature is
supposed to make the size and spacing of the lands and pits closer to
redbook standard.

What I was trying to discern was whether any of the tests correlate to
greater reflectivity of the data layer. My under standing is a lot of
the problem with CD-r's is lower reflectivity and thus more errors in
reading data that was actually burned sucessfully.


Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com
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Anonymous
August 11, 2004 9:50:54 PM

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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote

> > I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> > CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> > determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> > the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> > by InfinaDyne which is ok.
>
> Why not use PlexTools Professional, which works with the 712?
>
> <http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PTP_history.htm&...;
>
>
Want something more specific to task.
Anonymous
August 12, 2004 4:16:23 PM

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Then you don't know what you're looking for. PlexTools does the thing you
need, which is to check for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be rejected
by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers. If you want DDP
burning, well, that's another issue. If you want Redbook verification, the
PlexTools will give you that information (X number of BLERs per sector). If
you want true analysis tools that speak to each and every sector of written
information (such as the reports from DDP - well, actually DDP will simply
stop if everything doesn't verify), I know of no such software other than
proprietary, however, knowing that your burned CD can be used for a CD glass
pressing IS Redbook. It used to cost me a lot of money to have mastered CDs
checked. Now I run my own checks, thanks to Kurt's suggestion on my Plextor
52XX burner and it's attendant software. I really don't think DDP is a
portion of the software with a burner, however, and should be something your
audio application supports, if I'm correct? Kurt?

--
-----------

Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


"Powell" <nospam@noquacking.com> wrote in message
news:10hl51nra6ntbed@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Kurt Albershardt" wrote
>
> > > I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> > > CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> > > determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> > > the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> > > by InfinaDyne which is ok.
> >
> > Why not use PlexTools Professional, which works with the 712?
> >
> > <http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PTP_history.htm&...;
> >
> >
> Want something more specific to task.
>
>
>
Anonymous
August 12, 2004 4:16:24 PM

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Roger W. Norman wrote:

> Then you don't know what you're looking for. PlexTools does the thing you
> need, which is to check for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be rejected
> by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers.


Yes, and this is something that used to cost $10k in dedicated hardware.



> I really don't think DDP is a portion
> of the software with a burner, however, and should be something your
> audio application supports, if I'm correct?

DDP is a file format, and these days is typically delivered on a data format CD-R or DVD-R. DDP 1.0 was officially supported on 8mm Exabyte but that is pretty much gone now.
Anonymous
August 12, 2004 6:52:12 PM

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Well, it's not just a format, but one that had absolute integrity in that
once a copy was initiated, it couldn't be completed if it had a single
problem with the transfer, and that's what I wa referring to. So while it
seems to be a format, it's actually a error correction protocol that says,
'if I can't make this perfect, it isn't perfect', at least from what Glenn
Meadows told me. Then again he told me that jitter wasn't the same thing as
token ring jitter, and it turns out to be the exact same thing. Who knew
that he'd be right in some circumstances and I'd be right in others,
considering their totally different fields? <g>

--
-----------

Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


"Kurt Albershardt" <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message
news:2o1maaF614l3U2@uni-berlin.de...
> Roger W. Norman wrote:
>
> > Then you don't know what you're looking for. PlexTools does the thing
you
> > need, which is to check for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be
rejected
> > by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers.
>
>
> Yes, and this is something that used to cost $10k in dedicated hardware.
>
>
>
> > I really don't think DDP is a portion
> > of the software with a burner, however, and should be something your
> > audio application supports, if I'm correct?
>
> DDP is a file format, and these days is typically delivered on a data
format CD-R or DVD-R. DDP 1.0 was officially supported on 8mm Exabyte but
that is pretty much gone now.
>
>
>
>
August 12, 2004 7:58:15 PM

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"Roger W. Norman" <Roger@SirMusicStudio.com> wrote in message news:<411b97d4$0$5898$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> Then you don't know what you're looking for. PlexTools does the thing you
> need, which is to check for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be rejected
> by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers. If you want DDP
> burning, well, that's another issue. If you want Redbook verification, the
> PlexTools will give you that information (X number of BLERs per sector). If
> you want true analysis tools that speak to each and every sector of written
> information (such as the reports from DDP - well, actually DDP will simply
> stop if everything doesn't verify), I know of no such software other than
> proprietary, however, knowing that your burned CD can be used for a CD glass
> pressing IS Redbook. It used to cost me a lot of money to have mastered CDs
> checked. Now I run my own checks, thanks to Kurt's suggestion on my Plextor
> 52XX burner and it's attendant software. I really don't think DDP is a
> portion of the software with a burner, however, and should be something your
> audio application supports, if I'm correct? Kurt?
>
> --
> -----------
>
> Roger W. Norman
> SirMusic Studio
>
>
> "Powell" <nospam@noquacking.com> wrote in message
> news:10hl51nra6ntbed@corp.supernews.com...
> >
> > "Kurt Albershardt" wrote
> >
> > > > I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> > > > CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> > > > determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> > > > the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> > > > by InfinaDyne which is ok.
> > >
> > > Why not use PlexTools Professional, which works with the 712?
> > >
> > > <http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PTP_history.htm&...;
> > >
> > >
> > Want something more specific to task.
> >
> >
> >

I know toast has some kind of DDP function or write to DDP. I think I
heard Jay mention something called a DDP CD-ROM. Seems like Sequoia or
something like that will make this kind of disc.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com
August 13, 2004 4:29:51 AM

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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:51:20 -0400, "Powell" <nospam@noquacking.com> wrote:

>I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
>CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
>determine compliancy with Red Book standards

As far as *that* goes... I'd just use something that's known to produce
compliant disks (CD Architect, for example... might want see what's up
at Feurio these days, as well). Just... for example. (I mean, really, it's not
like that's something you need to check with every burn.) As for the other
thing -

> and/or
>the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
>by InfinaDyne which is ok.

I was actually going to suggest that very thing. I really haven't been
keeping up, but it always seemed to be considered the next best thing to
having your disk(s) analysed at a professional facility (or at least with the
gear therein).

Have you read any of *this* place:

http://www.mscience.com/

And of course there's Plextool (and, being that you *are* using a Plextor
burner...) Although... looking over the other replies... what, "specifically",
are you wanting... that you haven't mentioned?

Jeff

http://www.jefftturner.com
Anonymous
August 13, 2004 2:28:54 PM

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Yeah, I believe that Sequoia does DDP but Samplitude does not, unless I've
missed something in the manual.

Used to be just a big buck package product, like SADiE or Sonic. It's kinda
nice that some of the technology is filtering down, but it can still be
costly.

--
-----------

Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio


"Mike" <mmeprod@mmeproductions.com> wrote in message
news:934b3e2c.0408121458.6551a92c@posting.google.com...
> "Roger W. Norman" <Roger@SirMusicStudio.com> wrote in message
news:<411b97d4$0$5898$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> > Then you don't know what you're looking for. PlexTools does the thing
you
> > need, which is to check for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be
rejected
> > by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers. If you want
DDP
> > burning, well, that's another issue. If you want Redbook verification,
the
> > PlexTools will give you that information (X number of BLERs per sector).
If
> > you want true analysis tools that speak to each and every sector of
written
> > information (such as the reports from DDP - well, actually DDP will
simply
> > stop if everything doesn't verify), I know of no such software other
than
> > proprietary, however, knowing that your burned CD can be used for a CD
glass
> > pressing IS Redbook. It used to cost me a lot of money to have mastered
CDs
> > checked. Now I run my own checks, thanks to Kurt's suggestion on my
Plextor
> > 52XX burner and it's attendant software. I really don't think DDP is a
> > portion of the software with a burner, however, and should be something
your
> > audio application supports, if I'm correct? Kurt?
> >
> > --
> > -----------
> >
> > Roger W. Norman
> > SirMusic Studio
> >
> >
> > "Powell" <nospam@noquacking.com> wrote in message
> > news:10hl51nra6ntbed@corp.supernews.com...
> > >
> > > "Kurt Albershardt" wrote
> > >
> > > > > I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> > > > > CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> > > > > determine compliancy with Red Book standards and/or
> > > > > the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> > > > > by InfinaDyne which is ok.
> > > >
> > > > Why not use PlexTools Professional, which works with the 712?
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.plextor.com/english/support/PTP_history.htm&...;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Want something more specific to task.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
> I know toast has some kind of DDP function or write to DDP. I think I
> heard Jay mention something called a DDP CD-ROM. Seems like Sequoia or
> something like that will make this kind of disc.
>
> Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com
Anonymous
August 13, 2004 2:48:52 PM

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"pH" wrote

> >I purchased a new DVD burner (Plextor 712A) to master
> >CD-Rs. What diagnostic software is available to
> >determine compliancy with Red Book standards
>
> As far as *that* goes... I'd just use something that's known
> to produce compliant disks (CD Architect, for example...
>
I had been using CD Architect 5 but decided to incorporate
CD text, which it doesn't support. This also required me to
ditch my Yamaha burner, too.


> > and/or
> >the integrity of the master? I've used CD/DVD Diagnostic
> >by InfinaDyne which is ok.
>
> I was actually going to suggest that very thing. I really haven't
> been keeping up, but it always seemed to be considered the
> next best thing to having your disk(s) analysed at a professional
> facility (or at least with the gear therein).
>
Yes, and it also verifies CD text and gives suggestions.


> Have you read any of *this* place:
>
> http://www.mscience.com/
>
Thank you... good FAQ, too.

> And of course there's Plextool (and, being that you *are*
> using a Plextor burner...) Although... looking over the
> other replies... what, "specifically", are you wanting... that
> you haven't mentioned?
>
Basically I want a one stop software program that will
evaluate physical disk quality... which types of blanks
(manufactures) work best for this particular burner. Once
a disk is burned I want quality control measures
performed that doesn't require a high level of disc
technology interpellation... I want pass/fail only. In
addition the diagnostic software must evaluate file
structure hierarchy. If a disk incorporates audio, visual,
auto-execute or flash, for example, I want verification
that the disk's overall file structure is compliant.
Anonymous
August 13, 2004 2:51:52 PM

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"Roger W. Norman" wrote

> Then you don't know what you're looking for.
>
Quack, quack, quack....


> PlexTools does the thing you need, which is to check
> for BLERS so that your burned CD won't be rejected
> by a glass pressing house, or require 1630/9000 transfers.
>
The weakness of BLER is that it counts error frames, not
bad bits or bytes. By my count (reading) there are eleven
categories of quality control standards affecting CD-Rs... not
one (BLER). BLER is a good quality indicator if all other
properties of the disc indicate high quality.


> If you want Redbook verification, the PlexTools will give you
> that information (X number of BLERs per sector).
>
Plextor warns regarding their tests that "For most of them,
high technical knowledge of Disc Technology is necessary
to understand the functions and results." I guess that would
include you, too, mr. Top Poster.
Anonymous
August 13, 2004 9:04:25 PM

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Powell wrote:
>
> Basically I want a one stop software program that will
> evaluate physical disk quality... which types of blanks
> (manufactures) work best for this particular burner. Once
> a disk is burned I want quality control measures
> performed that doesn't require a high level of disc
> technology interpellation... I want pass/fail only. In
> addition the diagnostic software must evaluate file
> structure hierarchy. If a disk incorporates audio, visual,
> auto-execute or flash, for example, I want verification
> that the disk's overall file structure is compliant.


Then you're most likely going to have to write (or hire someone to write) a script or simple GUI that will frontend something like cdrecord (available free for *nix systems and also for Win32)
<http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joe...;
Anonymous
August 15, 2004 10:28:33 PM

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Powell wrote:
>>
> Basically I want a one stop software program that will
> evaluate physical disk quality... which types of blanks
> (manufactures) work best for this particular burner. Once
> a disk is burned I want quality control measures
> performed that doesn't require a high level of disc
> technology interpellation... I want pass/fail only. In
> addition the diagnostic software must evaluate file
> structure hierarchy. If a disk incorporates audio, visual,
> auto-execute or flash, for example, I want verification
> that the disk's overall file structure is compliant.

Sounds like you want Plextools Pro to me. There doesn't seem to be any
other software (or drives) that output the necessary information.

Also, physical disc quality has nothing to do with RedBook compliance. That
is a function of the formatting in the authoring software, not the quality
of the disc data replay. CDA5 has an option to "Use strict Red Book
specification Checking". Aint that enough for you ?


geoff
Anonymous
August 17, 2004 11:06:09 PM

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http://www.cloversystems.com/

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