Where do you stand on 'warez'?

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Hi to the group..

Fairly simple question.. where do you 'stand' on the 'warez' scene.
I'm not here to criticise or put down or even encourage, after all i'm
pretty sure that at least 90% of the regular visitors to this
newsgroup, have at one time or not downloaded warez from the web. We
all have different reasons for doing it - curiousity, fun or simply
because you don't want to buy that particular piece of software. But
we've done it never the less.. and the warez scene has definitely
changed over the last 10yrs since i've been using the web.. there was
a time when you could download all the latest games/apps' relatively
painlessly.. now, it's a joke.. warez sites have become ridiculously
complicated - i particularly enjoy those sites that ask you to 'pay'
to download anything - which begs the questions.. if i'm/you're
willing to pay for software from warez site - why not just go out and
buy the software from retail?.. I'll admit i have downloaded warez
but in my defense it was/has always been a temporary solution - at
least until i have the money to buy the software. And i do buy my
software, i have well over 1000 titles - all store bought. I have
software on 5 1/4" floppy disks, 3 1/2" floppy, CD-Rom and DVD. Yet
from time to time i will still check out warez sites and download from
them.. that is if you can. Is it wrong? sure, you're taking money away
from the programmers who made the software.. but what if after
downloading a program, it made you go out and actually buy it.. who
got hurt in that case then?
So, feel free to add comments - i'm really interested on what your
opinions are..

ubertoadie

 

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Still doing bongs Free?

 

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ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Hi to the group..
>
> Fairly simple question.. where do you 'stand' on the 'warez'

<snip>


I suppose it depends on how large these said warez were. If they were
large enough I'd stand right on their back with both feet square;
however, if they were of the smaller variety I'd be more tender with my
standing. It should be of the utmost importance that you do not
discomfort warez but seek to accomodate them within reasonable limits.
A loved warez will give back as much tenderness that was put into it and
then some. Sometimes this may require *not* standing on warez at all!

--
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i own a yacht wrote:

> > it's the pirates fault that developers move to consoles.
>
> where piracy doesn't exist.

Not to anywhere near the same degree, no.

 

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Alfie [UK] wrote:

> Software theft via downloading is usually pursued as copyright
> infringment at the mo.

As it should be, IMO.

 

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<ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:37sa11l36u1k02ccsdjquocbcgabhjf214@4ax.com...
>
> Hi to the group..
>
> Fairly simple question.. where do you 'stand' on the 'warez' scene.
> I'm not here to criticise or put down or even encourage, after all i'm
> pretty sure that at least 90% of the regular visitors to this
> newsgroup, have at one time or not downloaded warez from the web. We
> all have different reasons for doing it - curiousity, fun or simply
> because you don't want to buy that particular piece of software. But
> we've done it never the less.. and the warez scene has definitely
> changed over the last 10yrs since i've been using the web.. there was
> a time when you could download all the latest games/apps' relatively
> painlessly.. now, it's a joke.. warez sites have become ridiculously
> complicated - i particularly enjoy those sites that ask you to 'pay'
> to download anything - which begs the questions.. if i'm/you're
> willing to pay for software from warez site - why not just go out and
> buy the software from retail?.. I'll admit i have downloaded warez
> but in my defense it was/has always been a temporary solution - at
> least until i have the money to buy the software. And i do buy my
> software, i have well over 1000 titles - all store bought. I have
> software on 5 1/4" floppy disks, 3 1/2" floppy, CD-Rom and DVD. Yet
> from time to time i will still check out warez sites and download from
> them.. that is if you can. Is it wrong? sure, you're taking money away
> from the programmers who made the software.. but what if after
> downloading a program, it made you go out and actually buy it.. who
> got hurt in that case then?
> So, feel free to add comments - i'm really interested on what your
> opinions are..
>
> ubertoadie

I think that discussion of "warez" etc may be against the group charter,
although where else you would discuss this in a "neutral" environment, I
don't know.

As with lots of things like this, there are a lot of pompous hypocrites
around so prepare to get flamed.

As for where I stand - I don't really care either way. Although you can
readily access "warez" via the alt.binaries newsgroups (as long as you use a
good news provider) I still buy games.

I think there are too many mediocre titles around without demos and consumer
abuses like Steam for warez to be intrinsically bad.

For someone to argue it is theft - I am not so sure. Theft to me is when, by
taking something, you have deprived somebody else of the ability to use it.
This is clearly not the case for media like this.

Finally, people have been predicting the death of the software industry
because of copying of games since the ZX81 and Spectrum - when us kids would
connect 2 tape machines together to copy the latest game. The games
industry now rivals the movie industry for revenues.

Plus ca change
Plus c'est la meme chose

 

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ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> Hi to the group..
>
> Fairly simple question.. where do you 'stand' on the 'warez' scene.
> I'm not here to criticise or put down or even encourage, after all i'm
> pretty sure that at least 90% of the regular visitors to this
> newsgroup, have at one time or not downloaded warez from the web. We
> all have different reasons for doing it - curiousity, fun or simply
> because you don't want to buy that particular piece of software. But
> we've done it never the less.. and the warez scene has definitely
> changed over the last 10yrs since i've been using the web.. there was
> a time when you could download all the latest games/apps' relatively
> painlessly.. now, it's a joke.. warez sites have become ridiculously
> complicated - i particularly enjoy those sites that ask you to 'pay'
> to download anything - which begs the questions.. if i'm/you're
> willing to pay for software from warez site - why not just go out and
> buy the software from retail?.. I'll admit i have downloaded warez
> but in my defense it was/has always been a temporary solution - at
> least until i have the money to buy the software. And i do buy my
> software, i have well over 1000 titles - all store bought. I have
> software on 5 1/4" floppy disks, 3 1/2" floppy, CD-Rom and DVD. Yet
> from time to time i will still check out warez sites and download from
> them.. that is if you can. Is it wrong? sure, you're taking money away
> from the programmers who made the software.. but what if after
> downloading a program, it made you go out and actually buy it.. who
> got hurt in that case then?
> So, feel free to add comments - i'm really interested on what your
> opinions are..
>

Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a week
for 20 years?

Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.

Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.

 

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Schrodinger wrote:
>
> I think there are too many mediocre titles around without demos and consumer
> abuses like Steam for warez to be intrinsically bad.
>

So : by this "rational" it's ok to steal a Skoda, but not a Mercedes?

Whatever.

Also interesting that you trip up over yourself : Hl2, hosted by Steam,
is GOTY many times over (proven quality) and has a free huge demo for
people try. You warez heads : really ought to stay off the spliff.

 

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"Walter Mitty" <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Schrodinger wrote:
>>
>> I think there are too many mediocre titles around without demos and
>> consumer abuses like Steam for warez to be intrinsically bad.
>>
>
> So : by this "rational" it's ok to steal a Skoda, but not a Mercedes?

See my later definition. This would deprive the owner of the Skoda of its
use.

> Whatever.
>
> Also interesting that you trip up over yourself : Hl2, hosted by Steam, is
> GOTY many times over (proven quality) and has a free huge demo for people
> try. You warez heads : really ought to stay off the spliff.

I'm not a warez head and, FYI, am opposed to the use of non legal drugs for
many reasons. You should also know from all my gripes about steam and other
copy protection systems that I buy games.

I probably buy 2 games a month on average. I do occasionally use warez if
it's a game I would never buy anyway.

Everyone has their own system of morals. I never, ever, speed whilst
driving. Many people do, but this is seen as less serious than copying the
odd game. One kills, the other has no effect. Go figure.

 

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:32:31 GMT, "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> wrote:

>I probably buy 2 games a month on average. I do occasionally use warez if
>it's a game I would never buy anyway.

While there is some argument for trying a warez version if there is no
demo available and then buying it if you like it, my position is that
if a game is worth playing it is worth paying for. Good games are
getting scarce and the developers should be rewarded for making the
effort to write them.
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> Still doing bongs Free?

No, but you?

 

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 08:43:01 GMT, "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> wrote:
>For someone to argue it is theft - I am not so sure. Theft to me is when, by
>taking something, you have deprived somebody else of the ability to use it.
>This is clearly not the case for media like this.

In the UK the theft act has been shown to be sufficiently 'open' enough
to support a prosecution of theft where downloading software is
considered (as it includes intangible property, ownership by proprietary
right or interest, and 'permanently deprive' is defined as using it as
your own), but it's the uploader who is usually considered the thief (as
they are the one 'disposing' of the other's rights of ownership).
Handling stolen property has not been shown to apply to a downloader of
an already pirated software.

http://www.swarb.co.uk/acts/1968TheftAct.shtml

Software theft via downloading is usually pursued as copyright
infringment at the mo.

--
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<http://www.delphia.co.uk/>
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Schrodinger wrote:
> "Walter Mitty" <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:cv4bas$e5m$02$1@news.t-online.com...
>
>>Schrodinger wrote:
>>
>>>I think there are too many mediocre titles around without demos and
>>>consumer abuses like Steam for warez to be intrinsically bad.
>>>
>>
>>So : by this "rational" it's ok to steal a Skoda, but not a Mercedes?
>
>
> See my later definition. This would deprive the owner of the Skoda of its
> use.
>
>
>>Whatever.
>>
>>Also interesting that you trip up over yourself : Hl2, hosted by Steam, is
>>GOTY many times over (proven quality) and has a free huge demo for people
>>try. You warez heads : really ought to stay off the spliff.
>
>
> I'm not a warez head and, FYI, am opposed to the use of non legal drugs for
> many reasons. You should also know from all my gripes about steam and other
> copy protection systems that I buy games.
>
> I probably buy 2 games a month on average. I do occasionally use warez if
> it's a game I would never buy anyway.
>
> Everyone has their own system of morals. I never, ever, speed whilst
> driving. Many people do, but this is seen as less serious than copying the
> odd game. One kills, the other has no effect. Go figure.
>

Stealing SW using Warez does have an affect. You can bluster all day
long about how you wouldn't have bought it anyway - thats sure as hell
not going to help everyone whose getting prosecuted at the moment for
ripping movie DVDs off using p2p nets.



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Thusly "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> Spake Unto All:

>connect 2 tape machines together to copy the latest game. The games
>industry now rivals the movie industry for revenues.

The CONSOLE games industry. Because it isn't nearly as hard hit by
piracy.

 

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Mean_Chlorine wrote:
> Thusly "Schrodinger" <no@1way.com> Spake Unto All:
>
>
>>connect 2 tape machines together to copy the latest game. The games
>>industry now rivals the movie industry for revenues.
>
>
> The CONSOLE games industry. Because it isn't nearly as hard hit by
> piracy.
>

Game. Set and Match.

 

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 "Schrodinger" wrote:

> I probably buy 2 games a month on average. I do occasionally use warez if

its all the same! you could buy 20 games a month and you would also have
no excuse to pirate games!
there is no excuse to pirate games! period!

and btw i hope the games you buy and own you don't lend to anyone!
lending is also piracy!

> it's a game I would never buy anyway.

completely wrong!
you pay a game to play it! not to test it! ok!
don't use "testing games" to excuse piracy! cause it aint excusable!
you test pc games with a demo if available, with screenshots if available
with trailers if available, with videos with available or by talking with
other pc gamers! but never do it will full version cause for that YOU
MUST PAY!

> Everyone has their own system of morals. I never, ever, speed whilst
> driving. Many people do, but this is seen as less serious than copying the
> odd game. One kills, the other has no effect. Go figure.

don't come with that moral stuff and don't try to again give some lame
excuse for your behavior
any kind of piracy is wrong!
YOU PAY GAMES TO PLAY NOT TO TEST!
YOU ARE NOT THE JUDGE FOR WHETHER A DEVELOPER DESERVES MONEY!
you pay to play! period!
you don't pay you don't play! period!
ITS THAT SIMPLE!

and you know why the morals are not applicable to this, its cause if
you were a REAL PC GAMER, someone who REAL LOVED PC GAMES he would never
do anything to damage what we really loves

so its not morals but instead, you don't like pc games, you only want to
take advantage of them

this group should have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy to anything promoting and
supporting piracy
i'm totally for freedom of speech but promoting and supporting piracy is
not, its simply committing an illegal and damaging act to everyone in
this group

--
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its only pc gamers who will lose with piracy cause the publishers and
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, Walter Mitty wrote:

> Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
> legitimately: preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
> make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.

i always knew there was a strong connection between steam and warez p2p
steam and warez p2p are both "evil" brothers alike
both are "dirty"
both use internet wrongly
both target false pc gamers who don't give a damn about packaging
both damage pc games
both must be stoped

so its without any type of surprise i see you wally defending both in
the same post, and it only gives me even more strenght to:
FIGHT STEAM!
FIGHT PIRACY!
FIGHTING PIRACY IS FIGHTING STEAM!
FIGHTING STEAM IS FIGHTING PIRACY!

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its only pc gamers who will lose with piracy cause the publishers and
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mike_noren2002@yahoo.co.uk left a note on my windscreen which said:

> > Software theft via downloading is usually pursued as copyright
> > infringment at the mo.
>
> As it should be, IMO.

What about Tupperwarez theft?
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:15:24 +0100, Walter Mitty
<mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>
>Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a week
>for 20 years?
>
>Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
>
>Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
>legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
>make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.

Believe what you want.. and who said anything about a title a week? -
not me.. in the last week alone i've bought 8 games and that's not
includng what i buy for my PS2. I do have over 1000 games all store
bought and i have the receipts to prove it too..

 

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ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:15:24 +0100, Walter Mitty
> <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a week
>>for 20 years?
>>
>>Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
>>
>>Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
>>legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
>>make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.
>
>
> Believe what you want.. and who said anything about a title a week? -
> not me.. in the last week alone i've bought 8 games and that's not
> includng what i buy for my PS2. I do have over 1000 games all store
> bought and i have the receipts to prove it too..

You have over a thousand receipts? somehow I think that is not true.

 

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ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:15:24 +0100, Walter Mitty
> <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>
>>Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a week
>>for 20 years?
>>
>>Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
>>
>>Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
>>legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
>>make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.
>
>
> Believe what you want.. and who said anything about a title a week? -
> not me.. in the last week alone i've bought 8 games and that's not
> includng what i buy for my PS2. I do have over 1000 games all store
> bought and i have the receipts to prove it too..

Which games and how much were they? There are some great bargains to be
had. With all that money though, why would you ever warez anything?

 

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In article <iWpRd.4286$831.2947@fe27.usenetserver.com>, dan@work.com
says...
>
> You have over a thousand receipts? somehow I think that is not true.
>
>

Sure. When I go to the store tomorrow and grab 5 games out of the bargin
bin, they ALWAYS print up a separate receipt for each one.

duh.


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SEARCHING FOR GPL
LOADING
READY.
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Thusly Stoneskin <no@thanks.com> Spake Unto All:

>> > Software theft via downloading is usually pursued as copyright
>> > infringment at the mo.
>>
>> As it should be, IMO.
>
>What about Tupperwarez theft?

I hate that. I keep telling them: cash, not plastic.

 

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Dan S wrote:
> ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:15:24 +0100, Walter Mitty
>> <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a
>>> week for 20 years?
>>>
>>> Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
>>>
>>> Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
>>> legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
>>> make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.
>>
>>
>>
>> Believe what you want.. and who said anything about a title a week? -
>> not me.. in the last week alone i've bought 8 games and that's not
>> includng what i buy for my PS2. I do have over 1000 games all store
>> bought and i have the receipts to prove it too..
>
>
> You have over a thousand receipts? somehow I think that is not true.
>

I tend to slip my receipts into either the original game box or behind
one of the inserts of the jewel case. That way in case a rebate is
offered at the store or a 'gold edition' I have the proof of purchase
necessary to claim the rebate. Still I too am skeptical that someone
would have over a *thousand* receipts as well but that's beside the
overall point of his post.


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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 11:55:36 -0600, Dan S <dan@work.com> wrote:

>ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:15:24 +0100, Walter Mitty
>> <mitticus@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ubertoadie@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>
>>>Over a thousand titles? Thats a lot. I dont believe you. A title a week
>>>for 20 years?
>>>
>>>Anyway, if you want to pirate SW, far better using eMule.
>>>
>>>Personally I dont trust any of that stuff and always purchase
>>>legitimately : preferably via download online. Initiatives like Steam
>>>make it a lot more convenient to purchase and maintain SW.
>>
>>
>> Believe what you want.. and who said anything about a title a week? -
>> not me.. in the last week alone i've bought 8 games and that's not
>> includng what i buy for my PS2. I do have over 1000 games all store
>> bought and i have the receipts to prove it too..
>
>You have over a thousand receipts? somehow I think that is not true.

Even if those thousand receipts aren't kept, a legitimate collection of at
least 1000 games is plausable:

Old games on floppies can be copied onto CD-ROMs to conserve space. 400
floppies = 1 CD. Also, jewelcases are bulky - you should get one of
those CD folders that can store 100 CDs each.

There are also bundled games packages for a low price (e.g. Project IGI,
Spec Ops, Commandos and Beach Head 2000 appeared in one bundle.) These
will rapidly increase your game count.

And if you want to cheat, you can purchase those shareware compilation CDs,
which generally contain 10+ games. (There was one which stored 1000+ games
on two CDs, but they included Tunnels of Armageddeon - something that isn't
exactly shareware.)