Sony vs Zire 72

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Please see my posting of an answer to a thread entitled
"Refurb Sony TJ35, Zire 71 or Tungsten T"
It talks in detail about the Sony vs the Zire 71 and TE.
Some of what is in the Zire 72 is also present in the 71 (the all
important screen for example) so that could be a bit of an apples to
apples comparison.
From what I've seen the Zire 72 blows the Sony completely out of the
water.
This is not a knock on the Sony. It's a fine unit. The Zire is
better but it's also $130 more expensive.
But, it has a faster processor, better screen, more ram...
What more do you need to know?
If you've got the bucks the 72 is probably the best buy out there!!
This is one man's opinion.
Yeah, I could be wrong.
Good luck.
Shawn


h0mi <h0mi@ooohay.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94E4A9FF682D4h0miooohaycom@68.6.19.6>...
> I'm debating getting a zire 72 model and nearly bought one until I
> discovered the sony models with the camera cost about the same and have
> similar features.
>
> The bluetooth in the 72 intrigues me but unless I have a BT phone (which I
> won't until Verizon releases the Motorola 710) I can't use it with my cell
> phone. According to thesupplynet.com those "USB' connecting palm pdas
> cannot be connected to any cell phones via cables... no such cabling
> exists.
>
> I couldn't even tell you what CLIE model I'm looking at; basically the
> camera models that are between US$200 and US$300. Any comments, suggestions
> or advice would help.

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h0mi <h0mi@ooohay.com> wrote in message news:<Xns94E54F72CF76Dh0miooohaycom@68.6.19.6>...
>
> I'll check this out. Thank you.

it depends what you want. I have the zire 72 and i'm a previous user
of clies, and i think the zire 72 is one of the sweetest machines i've
ever used. I especially like the 1.2 megapixel camera for its ability
to take stills and ASF video. The Media application the zire 72 is a
critical point in the history of palmOs as this is the first time
watching video on the palm becomes as good as it is on the PPC (forget
kinoma, mmplayer, gmovie, etc). The ergonomics of the zire 72 is
wonderful as you have a button for recording voice messages that you
can use in a second and it records to a memory card.

The only downside to the zire 72 is the battery life whish is far from
ideal. But the good news to this though is that, without a cradle, the
charger is just a tiny thing that you can carry in your bag or double
up on if needed, and if you charge every day or two you should be
fine, though i can imagine it lasting for several days if you mainly
use it for PIM.

The cameras on the sony clies are almost all 0.3 mega pixel (except a
2 megapixel brick-sized one) and the zire 72 camera, while it may not
be as good as a dedicated cam, is far superior to them all. Check this
album i've put online and you'll see what it's like... it's way better
than regular camera phone pictures

http://community.webshots.com/user/metalpretzels

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In article <c8fhuh$gqf$07$1@news.t-online.com>, Clark <hujuk@gmx.net>
wrote:

> Hi there...
>
> I've got me a Zire72 and I'm quite happy with it. I was considering
> getting the Sony instead, but I didn't for these reasons:
>
> 1) Memory Sticks are slower and more expensive than SD-Cards:
> I use the Zire72 as a mobile MP3 Player and the SD-Cards fill up much
> faster in an USB2.0 Card-Reader/Writer than a Memory-Stick. You get
> Memory-Stick Pro nowadays, but I expect those to be even more expensive.
>
> 2) The Zire comes with Windows *and* Mac - Software, while Sony does not
> include Software for the Mac. (At least this was what my retailer told me)

Not all CLIEs need it, but you can get MissingSync from Mark/Space to
allow you to sync with the Mac Palm Desktop software (you download the
Mac Palm Desktop software from PalmOne.com). MissingSync works very
well, but it is an extra cost item that should be factored in.

Bob Harris

> 3) I think the camera *is* better than the cam in the Sony, you have a
> lot of settings that you can adjust; a resolution up to 1280x960, 2times
> digital zoom, low-light funtction, the option to adjust white-balance,
> brightness, contrast, saturation and sharpness gives me all I need for
> the fotos that I need to take with the Zire... and you *can* snap
> pictures to the SD-Card directly!
>
> 4) Zire comes with "Documents to Go", which - as far as I can remember -
> was not included with the Sony.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Clark.

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On 2004-05-19 17:10:11 -0700, Aaron Lake <unlisted@unlisted.com> said:

> Aaron <usenetNO@aaronsheadSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>> Biggest problem with the operation of the Zire camera is that you can
>> only snap pictures into memory, not onto the SD card.
>
> You can take snap pictures directly into the SD card with the Zire72. Simply
> select the SD card on the top drop down arrow on the camera screen. However it
> seems to slip back to the default of using the main memory when the program is
> reloaded when you next use it, and this is annoying. But I've only had mine a
> few days so maybe there is a setting I've not found yet. In the video, there is
> a check box that allows you to always use the SD card, but unfortunately not in
> the snap photo part.
>
> I agree with your assessment of picture quality. I think it is probably
> the lens
> quality at fault. But the picture quality does seem better than my Zire71 so
> there is some improvement there, however this is still basically a toy/email
> camera IMO.
>
> One thing I don't like is the difficulty getting the SD cards in and out of the
> Zire72. It is a real finger killer. I always pocket carry and like tight cards,
> but this may be overkill. Cards sometimes fell out of my m125 in my pocket, but
> never with my Zire71 or TungE, and the latter 2 were not hard to insert and
> remove cards like this Zire72. Fortunately I don't take the card out often, but
> you mp3 players out there will have calloused fingers...
>
> The alarm on the Zire72 is without a doubt the loudest I ever had on a Palm. It
> can wake the dead. The mp3 player has plenty of volume, unlike some of Palm's
> earlier models.
>
> The screen, like the E and 71 is great. Like the E and 71 it is too
> bright, even
> set on low, for reading in low light. Unfortunately none of the screen dimmers
> that work on the other two work on this one. I expect updates eventually.
>
> Battery life appears to be in the 3-4 hour range, but being new I've been
> playing a lot with the gadgets (mp3, video, photos ect). I expect when I settle
> down to my main use which is ebook reading, I expect to get more time.
> Also this
> processor's speed can apparently be varied by software, so perhaps I can find
> some that will both slow the processor and dim the screen to further improve
> ebook reading battery life.
>
> The Zire72 has no flip cover, and the case that comes with it makes it
> too bulky
> for pocket carrying. So I will carry it naked as I did my IIIxe for a few years
> with no problems, so we'll see...

Whoops! I stand corrected! The ability to take the pix straight to the
card makes the camera's usability better than I thought. Too bad the
pictures are so bad. That slot is a bitch, though.

There's no perfect pda, unfortunately. If that camera had been at least
as good as the Clie's, and the dpad more like the T|E I would have kept
it. In spite of losing the Wifi, that Zire is such a beautiful, loud,
bright unit. With audio recording.
--

Aaron
(To email, remove the words "NO" and "SPAM" from my email address)

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Arthur Hagen wrote:
> Comparing non-PRO memorysticks with SD is also unfair -- you should compare
> the non-PRO with MM, and the PRO with SD.

OK, that seems like a reasonable thing to compare.

SD Card:
* pricegrabber.com's cheapest 128MB is $22, 256MB is $38, 512MB is $99
* compatibility with older devices very good
* open standard; can be used with devices by tons of manufacturers

Memory Stick PRO:
* pricegrabber.com's cheapest 128MB is $54, 256MB is $58, 512MB is $111
* lots of older Sony devices say "not compatible with Memory Stick PRO"
* nobody but Sony makes devices (except card readers) that use them

Personally, I think Sony needs to admit to themselves that the Memory Stick
is a dying format and switch new products over to SD Card, although I
do admit it's unlikely to happen in the near future.

- Logan

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Stan Gosnell <fakename@fakehost.com> wrote:
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in
> news:716rc.3952$9f6.2136@fe2.texas.rr.com:
>
>> Personally, I think Sony needs to admit to themselves that the Memory
>> Stick is a dying format and switch new products over to SD Card,
>> although I do admit it's unlikely to happen in the near future.
>
> You never know. Sony did give up on the Betamax. For some reason,
> Sony seems to keep trying to push its own proprietary formats which
> no one else ever uses.

Betamax is alive and well, just not for consumer use.

http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professio [...] sp=11&sm=0

Regards,
--
*Art

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actually, every film production unit has one (and there are a lot of
film production companies, a respected Director, DOP or actor will not
view rushes on anything but a betamax.

On 21 May 2004 02:50:46 GMT, Stan Gosnell <fakename@fakehost.com>
wrote:

|"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> wrote in newscsvn1-
|h0l.ln1@kether.broomstick.com:
|
|> Betamax is alive and well, just not for consumer use.
|>
|> http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professio [...] sp=11&sm=0
|
|Yeah, I'll bet they're selling them by the millions.

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"Arthur Hagen" <art@broomstick.com> writes:

>Betamax is alive and well, just not for consumer use.

>http://bssc.sel.sony.com/Professional/webapp/SubCategory?m=0&p=2&sp=11&sm=0

Where does it say Betamax anywhere on that page? Hint: nowhere.

The page does list a number of *Betacam* units. Betacam is a
professional recording format that shares almost nothing with Betamax.
Betamax used colour-under recording of luminance and chrome. Betacam
uses time-compressed recording of Y, R-Y, and B-Y (component) signals.
Betacam also runs the tape much faster than Betamax. Betacam and
Betamax are thoroughly incompatible with each other.

Betacam lives. Betamax is long dead.

Dave