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Anonymous
April 1, 2005 1:43:17 PM

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I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home.
I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to
work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this
scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.
Anonymous
April 1, 2005 2:58:17 PM

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Rob Stow wrote:
> tron9901@msn.com wrote:
> > I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP
Home.
> > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games
to
> > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
> > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried
this
> > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.
> >
>
> While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several
> versions of VMWare.
>
> With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little
> bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on
> the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower
> - whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would
> expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect.
>
> I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try
> the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then
> simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of
> booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual
> machines required.

So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then?
I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will
already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need
a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do
so? Thanks.
Anonymous
April 1, 2005 3:47:28 PM

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XP is MORE likely to be able to run said games than 2000 was.

tron9901@msn.com wrote:

> I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home.
> I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to
> work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
> running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this
> scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.
>
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Anonymous
April 1, 2005 4:20:28 PM

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tron9901@msn.com wrote:
> I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home.
> I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to
> work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
> running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this
> scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.
>

While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several
versions of VMWare.

With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little
bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on
the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower
- whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would
expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect.

I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try
the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then
simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of
booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual
machines required.
Anonymous
April 1, 2005 4:25:11 PM

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On 1 Apr 2005 10:58:17 -0800, tron9901@msn.com wrote:


>So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then?
>I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will
>already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need
>a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do
>so? Thanks.

Hey Einstein, any game that runs on Win2K is going to run on XP. XP is
Win2K with a *slightly* updated kernel and snazzy GUI is all. Plus it
has better backwards compatibility for games built into it already.
Don't sweat it.
Anonymous
April 1, 2005 4:58:51 PM

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:25:11 -0800, Redmond du Barrymond
<redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote:

>On 1 Apr 2005 10:58:17 -0800, tron9901@msn.com wrote:
>
>
>>So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then?
>>I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP will
>>already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need
>>a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do
>>so? Thanks.
>
>Hey Einstein, any game that runs on Win2K is going to run on XP. XP is
>Win2K with a *slightly* updated kernel and snazzy GUI is all. Plus it
>has better backwards compatibility for games built into it already.
>Don't sweat it.

Haha...I just realized we have been had by an April Fools joke.
Anonymous
April 1, 2005 6:48:30 PM

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From what I understand, they are recommending that you first try
the games on the new XP system and then only and ONLY if you
have problems consider some other alternative.

Good luck!
Saga

<tron9901NO@SPAMmsn.com> wrote in message
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>
> Rob Stow wrote:
>> tron9901@msn.com wrote:
>> > I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP
> Home.
>> > I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games
> to
>> > work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
>> > running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried
> this
>> > scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.
>> >
>>
>> While I can't comment on Virtual PC 2004, I have used several
>> versions of VMWare.
>>
>> With VMWare, things that are RAM and CPU bound run just a little
>> bit slower in a guest OS (in a virtual machine) than they run on
>> the host OS. However, video-card heavy tasks run a *lot* slower
>> - whether you are playing games or using CAD/CAM apps. I would
>> expect Virtual PC to have much the same effect.
>>
>> I would suggest that you first do as others have suggested: try
>> the games with XP and see if they run well. If they don't, then
>> simply add W2K to the system so that the user has the choice of
>> booting into W2K for those games that don't like XP - no virtual
>> machines required.
>
> So you're recommending (if necessary) a dual-boot configuration then?
> I've never set one of those up, so I have some basic questions. XP
> will
> already be installed; can I then install W2K alongside it? Will I need
> a separate hard drive partition (hello Partition Magic) in order to do
> so? Thanks.
>
April 1, 2005 9:50:13 PM

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On 1 Apr 2005 09:43:17 -0800, tron9901@msn.com wrote:

>I'm replacing my kids Windows 2000 machine with a Dell running XP Home.
>I imagine I may run into problems getting some of their older games to
>work on XP. If I do, I'm thinking of installing Virtual PC 2004 and
>running those games in a Windows 2000 guest OS. Has anyone tried this
>scenario and do you have any suggestions worth mentioning? Thanks.

Why not wait until you actually find any problems? XP is probably
better at running older games than 2000.
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Anonymous
April 1, 2005 11:08:01 PM

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>From my testing of over 1600 games Windows XP should be able to run all
of the games that Windows 2000 does and vice versa.

About less than a dozen games only run on Windows 2000 and the same for
Windows XP that don't work on the other OS. These are very few however.
April 2, 2005 1:22:18 AM

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 12:58:51 -0800, Redmond du Barrymond
<redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote:

>Haha...I just realized we have been had by an April Fools joke.

If it was, the OP forgot the joke part.
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Anonymous
April 2, 2005 1:22:19 AM

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On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:22:18 GMT, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:


>If it was, the OP forgot the joke part.

OK, it was a troll then. Look at the other groups he cross-posted to.
Anonymous
April 2, 2005 3:59:12 AM

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On 1 Apr 2005 19:08:01 -0800, "DosFreak" <d0sfreak@yahoo.com> wrote:


>About less than a dozen games only run on Windows 2000 and the same for
>Windows XP that don't work on the other OS. These are very few however.

I would like to know what dozen games run on Win2K but not XP. I don't
believe you. Win2K and XP are the same OS.
Anonymous
April 2, 2005 1:07:36 PM

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Redmond du Barrymond wrote:
> Win2K and XP are the same OS.

No they aren't.

XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing

--
Alex

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Anonymous
April 2, 2005 1:59:42 PM

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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:07:36 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
<AlexNOOOOO!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:


>No they aren't.

We going to play the Monty Python game here?

>XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing

They are both NT. XP kernel is just a slightly updated one from the
kernel in Win2K. What you are saying is like saying that Mandrake 10
is not the same OS as Mandrake 10.1. *Any* game that runs on Win2K is
going to run on XP. FACT.
Anonymous
April 2, 2005 7:28:58 PM

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Thusly "Dr Zoidberg" <AlexNOOOOO!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> Spake Unto All:

>Redmond du Barrymond wrote:
>> Win2K and XP are the same OS.
>
>No they aren't.
>
>XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing

No, there are some changes to make games run faster.
They're very, very, close, though. If anything xp will run more games
than 2k.
Anonymous
April 2, 2005 10:30:40 PM

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"*Any* game that runs on Win2K is
going to run on XP. FACT. "

No, not necessarily. There are differences in the NTVDM between 2K/XP
that allows some games to work in the 2 operating systems that do not
work in the other. You can't really tell the differences in NTVDM
between the 2 anymore from my NT Game Compatibility List since I
switched from using NTVDM to DosBox for all REAL mode games since
DosBox is better suited and supported to running REAL mode DOS games
than NTVDM.

There are also some Windows games that work in one OS that don't work
in the other but I haven't actually tracked down the reasons why yet.

Check out my list here: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=465

It's not perfect, I'm only human but all games are tested by me and
I've tried to be as objective as possible.

As you can see over time I've gone from a strict compatibility
comparison (No Scummvm, DosBox, ports, etc) to focusing more on easier
gameplay and no focusing on compatibility differences between the OS's,
but I can assure you that the differences in gaming compatibility
between 2000 and XP are so slight as to pretty much be no factor at all.
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 5:33:21 AM

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>*Any* game that runs on Win2K is
> going to run on XP. FACT.

That's not quite true, there quite a few differences in the shell and some
of the other systems like security, so there's no way to make a blanket
statement like that, but as you suggest *most* games should run on XP if
they ran on W2K.

--
Bob Comer


"Redmond du Barrymond" <redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:07:36 +0100, "Dr Zoidberg"
> <AlexNOOOOO!!!!@drzoidberg.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>>No they aren't.
>
> We going to play the Monty Python game here?
>
>>XP is based on 2k but they are not the same thing
>
> They are both NT. XP kernel is just a slightly updated one from the
> kernel in Win2K. What you are saying is like saying that Mandrake 10
> is not the same OS as Mandrake 10.1. *Any* game that runs on Win2K is
> going to run on XP. FACT.
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 6:13:09 AM

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Your loss. The .exe file is simply a self extracting .7zip that
contains the 1.3m .xls. There is such a thing as too much paranoia.
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 12:48:10 PM

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There is a thing called Antivirus Software which when executed scans
executables.....
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 2:19:33 PM

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Thusly "DosFreak" <d0sfreak@yahoo.com> Spake Unto All:


>Check out my list here: http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=465
>
>It's not perfect, I'm only human but all games are tested by me and
>I've tried to be as objective as possible.

An EXE file? Why is an excel sheet in EXE format?
No thanks.
April 3, 2005 6:04:50 PM

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On 3 Apr 2005 01:13:09 -0800, "DosFreak" <d0sfreak@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Your loss. The .exe file is simply a self extracting .7zip that
>contains the 1.3m .xls. There is such a thing as too much paranoia.

There is a thing called stupidity which is demonstrated by taking
someone's word on Usenet for what a .EXE does and running it.
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Anonymous
April 3, 2005 6:04:51 PM

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On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 14:04:50 GMT, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:


>There is a thing called stupidity which is demonstrated by taking
>someone's word on Usenet for what a .EXE does and running it.

Yea, really. I didn't download it that's for sure. Why can't he just
tell us the dozen games that run on Win2K that won't run on XP. I
still call BS on this none until he lists the games.
Anonymous
April 3, 2005 8:59:53 PM

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"DosFreak" <d0sfreak@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> There is a thing called Antivirus Software which when executed scans
> executables.....

Relying on AV software is like subscribing to a daily feed of wanted posters
to see if the stranger you let into the cockpit is a bad guy.

It's better to lock the door in the first place and only let the properly
identified pilots and flight crew in.
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 12:38:23 AM

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On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:05:27 -0400, "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:


>I believe others have answered that question. (I don't play many games.)

No one has answered that question yet.

>Anyway, like Steve Jain said, this is WAY off topic for Virtual PC.

Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting from
a gaming group.
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 1:20:34 PM

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> No one has answered that question yet.

Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC
group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic mouse in
XP. And DosFreak posted a link to his list of games, and while there aren't
many that do run under W2K but not XP, there are some.

> Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting from
> a gaming group.

Understood.

--
Bob Comer




"Redmond du Barrymond" <redmond@STUFFIT.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:05:27 -0400, "Robert Comer"
> <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I believe others have answered that question. (I don't play many games.)
>
> No one has answered that question yet.
>
>>Anyway, like Steve Jain said, this is WAY off topic for Virtual PC.
>
> Sorry, but the OP cross-posted to a bunch of groups. I'm posting from
> a gaming group.
>
Anonymous
April 4, 2005 4:28:28 PM

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 09:20:34 -0400, "Robert Comer"
<bobcomer_removeme@mindspring.com> wrote:


>Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC
>group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic mouse in
>XP. And DosFreak posted a link to his list of games, and while there aren't
>many that do run under W2K but not XP, there are some.

OK, I stand corrected than. But did he try a compatibility mode to
possiby fix it? I didn't download that list because it was an .exe
file.
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 1:09:46 AM

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Robert Comer wrote:

> Not in your gaming group, but Steve Jain answered it in the Virtual PC
> group. Shogo is the game he mentioned and the problem was erratic
> mouse in XP.

That wasn't limited to XP. I had the erratic mouse problem also in Windows
2000...

Benjamin
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 1:09:47 AM

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On Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:09:46 +0200, "Benjamin Gawert" <bgawert@gmx.de>
wrote:


>That wasn't limited to XP. I had the erratic mouse problem also in Windows
>2000...
>
>Benjamin
>
Aha! Still no concrete evidence then. :-)
Anonymous
April 5, 2005 2:02:16 AM

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Try this SHOGO Faq: http://www.shogo-mad.com/faq/shogo.htm

The "evidence" is in my list up above. I could manually go through all
the games and list the differences and post them but what's the point?
There would still be no proof to back it up. The closest thing your
going to get is my list, which even though it's on a .xls, doesn't mean
it's true.
!