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Anonymous
August 22, 2004 11:14:56 PM

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Can anybody suggest some good mics for a 7 piece drum kit that will aid me
in keeping spearation in a live recording environment including recording
live gigs? I am going to be using a MOTU828II with Behringer ADA8000 ADAT
unit & Cubase VST 5.1, & the band is heavy rock.

Budget is around £400.

Thanks
Eddie

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Anonymous
August 23, 2004 12:39:13 AM

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"Eddie Cooper" <eddiejcooper@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Can anybody suggest some good mics for a 7 piece drum kit that will aid me
> in keeping spearation in a live recording environment including recording
> live gigs? I am going to be using a MOTU828II with Behringer ADA8000 ADAT
> unit & Cubase VST 5.1, & the band is heavy rock.
>
> Budget is around £400.
>
> Thanks
> Eddie
>
>
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 2:32:31 PM

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"Eddie Cooper" <eddiejcooper@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Qg6Wc.266044$a8.84713@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
> Can anybody suggest some good mics for a 7 piece drum kit that will aid me
> in keeping spearation in a live recording environment including recording
> live gigs...

For starters look for some used (discontinued) Electro-Voice N/D-408
(hypercardiod) mic's. Over here they can be found on eBay for around
$75. Another mic with a tight pattern and many possible uses is the
Sennheiser MD-431. They turn up on eBay for under $200. Try it on
snare or (anything else) even though it's thought of as a "vocal mic".
Chances are good that it's a mic you'll own forever and will never
regret purchasing. For kick and toms try to find the old Yamaha
MZ-204. Very tight pattern and plenty of low end. Hard as hell to find
in North America but nearly ten years ago I saw plenty of them in
Europe and Japan.
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Anonymous
August 23, 2004 3:07:39 PM

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=...

This kind of stuff shows up pretty often on ebay.

Al

On 23 Aug 2004 10:32:31 -0700, thepaulthomas@hotmail.com
(ThePaulThomas) wrote:

>"Eddie Cooper" <eddiejcooper@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Qg6Wc.266044$a8.84713@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
>> Can anybody suggest some good mics for a 7 piece drum kit that will aid me
>> in keeping spearation in a live recording environment including recording
>> live gigs...
>
> For starters look for some used (discontinued) Electro-Voice N/D-408
>(hypercardiod) mic's. Over here they can be found on eBay for around
>$75. Another mic with a tight pattern and many possible uses is the
>Sennheiser MD-431. They turn up on eBay for under $200. Try it on
>snare or (anything else) even though it's thought of as a "vocal mic".
>Chances are good that it's a mic you'll own forever and will never
>regret purchasing. For kick and toms try to find the old Yamaha
>MZ-204. Very tight pattern and plenty of low end. Hard as hell to find
>in North America but nearly ten years ago I saw plenty of them in
>Europe and Japan.
August 23, 2004 6:16:24 PM

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the classic approach would be pair of u87s or 414s as overheads + a
room mic. km84 on hihat, sm57 on snare top + a bottom snare mic, akg
d112 on kick, and sennheiser 421s on every tom. and a 20x30x16 room
with nothing else in it so you get no bleed into the drum mics from
the guitar cabs, etc.

but back to budget land,
have you looked into some of these pre-packaged "drum mic packs" they
sell at the chain music stores? might fit your situation. these mic
packs tend to lean towards close micing/direct contact/isolation, are
intentioned specifically for drums, and usually come in at a
budget-conscious price
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 6:24:33 PM

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>> Budget is around £400.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Eddie

It's gonna take a lot of mics to weigh that much. :>)

Wayne
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 8:53:30 PM

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Eddie wrote
>>> Budget is around £400.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Eddie

That would be about $600.00 US? If so you can for sure find 7 used SM57's for
that much. You can get 6 new ones for about that price.
Anonymous
August 23, 2004 10:27:27 PM

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ThePaulThomas <thepaulthomas@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Eddie Cooper" <eddiejcooper@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Qg6Wc.266044$a8.84713@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
>> Can anybody suggest some good mics for a 7 piece drum kit that will aid me
>> in keeping spearation in a live recording environment including recording
>> live gigs...

> For starters look for some used (discontinued) Electro-Voice N/D-408
> (hypercardiod) mic's. Over here they can be found on eBay for around
> $75. Another mic with a tight pattern and many possible uses is the
> Sennheiser MD-431. They turn up on eBay for under $200. Try it on
> snare or (anything else) even though it's thought of as a "vocal mic".
> Chances are good that it's a mic you'll own forever and will never
> regret purchasing. For kick and toms try to find the old Yamaha
> MZ-204. Very tight pattern and plenty of low end. Hard as hell to find
> in North America but nearly ten years ago I saw plenty of them in
> Europe and Japan.

I agree on the N/D-408. Definitely an underrated mic. I don't know
the MD-431, but I love the MD-421 enough that I could record an entire
band with 16 of these and get a good sound! (Okay I haven't actually
tried it, but I bet I could do it.)

Rob R.
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 1:51:21 AM

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On 23 Aug 2004 14:16:24 -0700, xy <genericaudioperson@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> the classic approach would be pair of u87s or 414s as overheads + a
> room mic. km84 on hihat, sm57 on snare top + a bottom snare mic, akg
> d112 on kick, and sennheiser 421s on every tom. and a 20x30x16 room
> with nothing else in it so you get no bleed into the drum mics from
> the guitar cabs, etc.
>
> but back to budget land,
> have you looked into some of these pre-packaged "drum mic packs" they
> sell at the chain music stores? might fit your situation. these mic
> packs tend to lean towards close micing/direct contact/isolation, are
> intentioned specifically for drums, and usually come in at a
> budget-conscious price

The OP might get more mileage out of a quad of more versitile mics.

Say a couple '57s on kick and snare . . couple small condensors on
overheads.

I'd go for a "Drum Pack" if I were starting from scratch doing a big
live sound rig for the reason you gave--budget package for close micing.

The overheads approach gives you a group of mics that you can use for
other things, rather than "This is my drum rig."

I'm fortunate to have a D12E (basically a D112 with an integral shock
mount) left over from *COUGHS* years ago. But it wouldn't be in my
first $500 mic budget.
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 1:51:22 AM

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"U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote in message news:<tFtWc.2970$oA.1067@trndny04>...
> On 23 Aug 2004 14:16:24 -0700, xy <genericaudioperson@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > the classic approach would be pair of u87s or 414s as overheads + a
> > room mic. km84 on hihat, sm57 on snare top + a bottom snare mic, akg
> > d112 on kick, and sennheiser 421s on every tom. and a 20x30x16 room
> > with nothing else in it so you get no bleed into the drum mics from
> > the guitar cabs, etc.
> >
> > but back to budget land,
> > have you looked into some of these pre-packaged "drum mic packs" they
> > sell at the chain music stores? might fit your situation. these mic
> > packs tend to lean towards close micing/direct contact/isolation, are
> > intentioned specifically for drums, and usually come in at a
> > budget-conscious price
>
> The OP might get more mileage out of a quad of more versitile mics.
>
> Say a couple '57s on kick and snare . . couple small condensors on
> overheads.
>
> I'd go for a "Drum Pack" if I were starting from scratch doing a big
> live sound rig for the reason you gave--budget package for close micing.
>
> The overheads approach gives you a group of mics that you can use for
> other things, rather than "This is my drum rig."
>
> I'm fortunate to have a D12E (basically a D112 with an integral shock
> mount) left over from *COUGHS* years ago. But it wouldn't be in my
> first $500 mic budget.

How about an AT Pro25 on kick, 57s on snare and toms and one good SD
mic for an overhead. should be right at about $600 US
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 10:07:19 AM

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http://search.ebay.com/D112_W0QQsokeywordredirectZ1QQfr...

http://search.ebay.com/drum-Mic_W0QQsofocusZbsQQsatitle...*QQsorecordsperpageZ50QQsspagenameZhQ3AhQ3AfitemQ3AUSQQsofindtypeZ0QQfromZR6QQnojsprZyQQpfidZ0

Hope that second link works

Doug

"Wayne" <ybstudios@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040823102433.19468.00003564@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >> Budget is around £400.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Eddie
>
> It's gonna take a lot of mics to weigh that much. :>)
>
> Wayne
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 2:36:16 PM

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In article <tFtWc.2970$oA.1067@trndny04>,
"U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles" <"Charles Krug"@cdksystems.com> wrote:

> Say a couple '57s on kick and snare . . couple small condensors on
> overheads.

A fine idea. I'd say 4 57s for kick, snare and toms and a pair of
Oktava MC012. The EV N/D 408/468 are pretty nice as 57 alternatives,
especially on toms, and easy to place too. But, they're somewhat less
versatile. On a good rack tom, they sound killer though.

Another way to go would be to get three AT 3035 and do a minimalist
placement. While I've never tried these near drums, they are nice
condensers, and not screechy or bright like so many other cheap models.

To the OP, the issue of separation has more to do with placement and the
room than anything else. There are no magic bullet mikes that are going
to make or break separation here.

Also, separation is not always such a desirable or necessary thing
either. If two instruments are tracked in the same room, it's rare to
get enough separation to throw one instrument's take away and use the
other without getting some traces of the discarded instrument.

On the other hand, bleed can make an instrument sound a lot more
interesting than if it were recorded in total isolation. For example,
guitar amp spill into a drum kit can sound pretty nice and takes little
extra effort. Why struggle to deprive yourself of this freebie?

If you need isolation because someone's going to screw up and have to be
edited, you have little hope of getting a good performance without a lot
of work anyway, so you might as well strip it down to a drummer and a
click and start cutting ASAP. In this case, bleed is irrelevant anyway,
because you'd never want two bad players in the same room feeding each
other mistakes. Not a situation to strive for, IMHO...

> I'm fortunate to have a D12E (basically a D112 with an integral shock
> mount) left over from *COUGHS* years ago. But it wouldn't be in my
> first $500 mic budget.

That D12E sounds a lot nicer than a D112 IMHO... The two mikes are only
related by the AKG name. The D12E is a fine mike indeed that actually
can be used on a wide variety of drums and other sources.


Regards,

Monte McGuire
monte.mcguire@verizon.net
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 10:50:44 PM

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>hat would be about $600.00 US?

You can get a Senn. E-604 3-pack for $300 USD. Marshall MXL 603's are about $80
a piece.Find a decent used kick mic.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
August 24, 2004 11:00:39 PM

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In article <20040824145044.21388.00001816@mb-m18.aol.com>,
blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote:

> >hat would be about $600.00 US?
>
> You can get a Senn. E-604 3-pack for $300 USD. Marshall MXL 603's are about
> $80
> a piece.Find a decent used kick mic.
>
the behringer b-5 sounds better than the 603 and come with a pad. bass
roll off and a omni head as well as a card head
George
Anonymous
August 24, 2004 11:49:23 PM

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George <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> In article <20040824145044.21388.00001816@mb-m18.aol.com>,
> blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote:

>> >hat would be about $600.00 US?
>>
>> You can get a Senn. E-604 3-pack for $300 USD. Marshall MXL 603's are about
>> $80
>> a piece.Find a decent used kick mic.
>>
> the behringer b-5 sounds better than the 603 and come with a pad. bass
> roll off and a omni head as well as a card head
> George

I think Apex also has a kit---an LDC plus a couple of pencil mics for a
very low price. Could probably do a drum kit with that.

Rob R.
Anonymous
August 26, 2004 4:04:06 AM

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>the behringer b-5 sounds better than the 603 and come with a pad. bass
>roll off and a omni head as well as a card head

That's good to know..I was gonna get one to try out...I could ude a small omni
for a lot of stuff.

John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
August 26, 2004 7:18:22 AM

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In article <monte.mcguire-6D51F2.06360624082004@news.verizon.net>,
Monte McGuire <monte.mcguire@verizon.net> wrote:

> > I'm fortunate to have a D12E (basically a D112 with an integral shock
> > mount) left over from *COUGHS* years ago. But it wouldn't be in my
> > first $500 mic budget.
>
> That D12E sounds a lot nicer than a D112 IMHO... The two mikes are only
> related by the AKG name. The D12E is a fine mike indeed that actually
> can be used on a wide variety of drums and other sources.



The D12E is not mechanically anything like the newer vintage, cheaper
D112. It doesn't sound like it either.

I'm with Monte in that the D12e is a much more interesting mic. I
always tell folks to use it with caution, as it does go low. But I'll
reach for a Beyer M88 before either of these for a kick drum.

A D12e combined with a 421 can do some interesting stuff with a
problematic sounding kick drum. The 421 in closer, for the snap, the
D12e further away for the bottom/boom.

Anybody here spent time using a D12e on horns?




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com
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