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The stub antenna on my v60g (T-Mobile) phone broke again! This is about the
3rd time it happened. I don't even know how--I just noticed it is off, and I
can't place any calls!

They seem to be pretty chintzy, and break off easily. Is that also true with
the newer Moto models-v600, etc.?

Anyhow, I saw on www.cellularoutlet.com replacement stub antennas for $5.99.
They also had a retractable antenna for this phone for the same price. (No
shipping charge either. Just tax here in CA.)

Would the retractable antenna be less likely to break off? Would extending
it get better reception?

How easy is it to replace the antenna? What tools are needed? What is the
procedure?

Thank you in advance to anyone who helps. :-)

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I suggest using this website for ordering any stuff. I have ordered several
times and never had a problem.
http://www.cellphoneshop.net/v60.html

" MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:1084672845.852380@news-1.nethere.net...
> The stub antenna on my v60g (T-Mobile) phone broke again! This is about
the
> 3rd time it happened. I don't even know how--I just noticed it is off, and
I
> can't place any calls!
>
> They seem to be pretty chintzy, and break off easily. Is that also true
with
> the newer Moto models-v600, etc.?
>
> Anyhow, I saw on www.cellularoutlet.com replacement stub antennas for
$5.99.
> They also had a retractable antenna for this phone for the same price. (No
> shipping charge either. Just tax here in CA.)
>
> Would the retractable antenna be less likely to break off? Would extending
> it get better reception?
>
> How easy is it to replace the antenna? What tools are needed? What is the
> procedure?
>
> Thank you in advance to anyone who helps. :-)
>
>
>

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That wasn't my question. I didn't ask where to buy one. (In fact, I have
already ordered an antenna, through cellularoutlet.) I asked how to replace
the antenna.

"Reverend Dalton" <Dalton_Michaels@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UZQpc.474608$Pk3.199133@pd7tw1no...
> I suggest using this website for ordering any stuff. I have ordered
several
> times and never had a problem.
> http://www.cellphoneshop.net/v60.html
>
> " MS" <ms@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:1084672845.852380@news-1.nethere.net...
> > The stub antenna on my v60g (T-Mobile) phone broke again! This is about
> the
> > 3rd time it happened. I don't even know how--I just noticed it is off,
and
> I
> > can't place any calls!
> >
> > They seem to be pretty chintzy, and break off easily. Is that also true
> with
> > the newer Moto models-v600, etc.?
> >
> > Anyhow, I saw on www.cellularoutlet.com replacement stub antennas for
> $5.99.
> > They also had a retractable antenna for this phone for the same price.
(No
> > shipping charge either. Just tax here in CA.)
> >
> > Would the retractable antenna be less likely to break off? Would
extending
> > it get better reception?
> >
> > How easy is it to replace the antenna? What tools are needed? What is
the
> > procedure?
> >
> > Thank you in advance to anyone who helps. :-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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On Sat, 15 May 2004 20:00:31 -0700, MS wrote:

> Would the retractable antenna be less likely to break off? Would extending
> it get better reception?

The retractable antenna is probably more likely to break. It does appear,
however, to be much easier to replace when it does break - requiring only
a flat-head screwdriver.

I live in a fringe area. I'd say I get a good half bar increase in
strength when it's extended, meaning the difference between no signal and
signal for me.

Cheers,
Tim

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Good luck installing a new antenna in that thing. The one I had snapped
off, and there are no threads to speak of for installation of a new one.
It's seems the antenna was built as a part of the phone. I have seen
the extending antennas, and I personally think they are completely
useless. What good is and extra inch? If anyone can give me an actual
figure in how many more decibels it gives you, I will be impressed.
Actual testing too, not manufacturer specs.

Torrance

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On Mon, 17 May 2004 02:33:13 +0000, Torrance Bell wrote:
> Actual testing too, not manufacturer specs.
>
> Torrance

Hi Torrance,

I'm getting -105db with it extended and -110db with it not.

I sampled back and forth three times, letting the signal settle aftwards,
and took the reading which was displayed for the most time (didn't use a
stopwatch, but paid attention to it for 30 seconds on each try after
settling, rounding up on the extended and down on the not in order to
eliminate any personal bias). I tried to hold the phone in the same
position each time (roughly vertical and ear-level while sitting at a desk).

Cheers,
Tim

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is that a really good improvement? How did you take the measurements?
I'm not real big on how much signal phones use or need, i just wonder
if it makes that much of a difference. I know most of the nokia phones
dont even have an antenna stub.

Torrance

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"Torrance Bell" <starlite528@yah00.com> wrote in message
news:bDWpc.67882$DV6.44294@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...
> is that a really good improvement? How did you take the measurements?
> I'm not real big on how much signal phones use or need, i just wonder
> if it makes that much of a difference. I know most of the nokia phones
> dont even have an antenna stub.
>
> Torrance

Phones that don't have an external antenna have an internal antenna. That's
better, IMO, to avoid this problem of breakage.

They do need some kind of antenna. For instance, now with the stub broken
off my v60, it's completely useless, cannot complete any call.

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"Torrance Bell" <starlite528@yah00.com> wrote in message
news:tDUpc.93$m96.64@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Good luck installing a new antenna in that thing. The one I had snapped
> off, and there are no threads to speak of for installation of a new one.

Well, if they are selling replacements, it seems there must be some way to
replace it. I haven't yet figured out how though.

> It's seems the antenna was built as a part of the phone. I have seen
> the extending antennas, and I personally think they are completely
> useless. What good is and extra inch? If anyone can give me an actual
> figure in how many more decibels it gives you, I will be impressed.
> Actual testing too, not manufacturer specs.
>
> Torrance

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Hi Torrance,

On Mon, 17 May 2004 04:49:27 +0000, Torrance Bell wrote:

> is that a really good improvement?

It's a difference of 10 to the -10.5th power vs 10 to the -11th power.

..00000000000316228
vs
..00000000000100000

Note: I'm not a math person, take the above figures with a grain of salt.

So roughly 3 times the signal. Granted my measurements weren't
scientific - when I return from vacation I'll probably do more extensive
testing (along with a Wilson car antenna and a Wilson Yagi antenna).

I do, however, notice a near-immediate change from "No Service"
when sitting at my desk to getting digital service when I extend the
antenna - this is where I did my test.

More information on deciBels can be found at:
http://www.wordiq.com/cgi-bin/know [...] le=Decibel

> How did you take the measurements?

Test mode: while the v60t boots, press ##. (To leave test mode, menu then
left-soft.)

Cheers,
Tim

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Unfortunatly, my v60 broke a long time ago. I forgot to mention what I
was using as my antenna, here is a pic of it:
http://www.lordshadowstar.com/Phone01.gif
http://www.lordshadowstar.com/Phone02.gif
http://www.lordshadowstar.com/Phone03.gif

Torrance

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Hi Torrance,

Now that's creative! You might try a longer screw to see if you can get
another 4dB out of it! LOL

Cheers,
Tim

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A 3 db gain essentially doubles signal strength. It's logarithmic - not
linear. I had a short pull up antenna on my v60 and found that in
strong signal areas it made no difference but in weak areas it offered
one "bar" of improvement. Not a scientific study by any means but it did
help a little. Given the cost of about $2 for the antenna it's worth
experimenting with.

From:Torrance Bell
starlite528@yah00.com

> is that a really good improvement? How did you take the measurements?
>> P I'm not real big on how much signal phones use or need, i just
>> wonder
> if it makes that much of a difference. I know most of the nokia
> phones dont even have an antenna stub.
>
> Torrance

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