Best (or at least very good for the bucks) stage monitor f..

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What do you think is the best (or at least very good for the bucks) stage
monitor under $1000, and why?

BTW, I posted this question on AAPLS a couple of days ago, and I got just
two usable suggestions. Hoping to do better here.

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Why does a church need monitors?

To keep an eye on the pastor.

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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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> Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:

>> "Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message

>>>> What do you think is the best (or at least very good for the
>>>> bucks) stage monitor under $1000, and why?

>>> For what?

>> A church, mine!

> Why does a church need monitors?

The usual reasons plus one that is not usually part of secular live
performances.

Dealing with the challenge of leading congregational singing.

Imagine yourself trying to be heard and hear yourself perform, while facing
say 2,000 people singing at the top of their lungs in a medium-live to
very-live room.

Another difference is that most stages have hard floors, but a church
platform is almost always carpeted. . Therefore, a potentially significant
source of desirable acoustical feedback is highly attenuated.

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Arny Krueger wrote:

> Musos complain about sound quality and spill.

Are they playing too loudly? That'll trash sound quality from a
moderately endowed box pretty quickly. Spill? Do you mean from other
mons on the stage? Does each muso want to hear only a portion of what
they're putting down? Lots of times people with whom I play want to hear
a nice balance so they can mix themselves into it. On a tight stage
"spill" is not a problem with this approach.

> Almost all of the musos like to move around. Also, space on the stage at
> torso level is highly constrained (only about 42" wide at max).

So do you need to fire the mons nearly straight up from the stage floor
to hit a muso's in the ears, or do you put the mons out front of the
stage platform proper on chairs, stools, or something like that?

Wihtout wanting to offend here, I'm on the border of suggesting that
your problem is with muso experience.

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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> Musos complain about sound quality and spill.

> Are they playing too loudly?

No. The monitor causing problems has 2 lightweight 10" and a piezo tweeter.
It is seriously old. They were cheap when new about 20 years ago, and time
has not improved them.

>That'll trash sound quality from a moderately endowed box pretty quickly.

At this time, even modest endowment is in question. The monitors started out
identical, but one completely self-destructed. I gutted it and put in a 5
driver Bessel array which y sounds pretty nice. It's the unit that is stock
that draws the complaints. For some reason one of the old monitors was in
far worse shape than the other. Our good monitors got stolen, which is what
started this quest.

>Spill? Do you mean from other mons on the stage?

Actually, my biggest concern is spill on the organist, who complains that he
can't hear his own instrument because of spill from the monitors on stage. I
may have some questions about his perceptions because I know what levels
onstage are like. It's pretty modest all things considered. Power amp is a
QSC USA 400 (125 wpc) that never ever clips or even comes close in actual
use.

> Does each muso want to hear only a portion of what
> they're putting down?

That, some ensemble sound. Also the piano, for the people on the opposite
side of the platform from the piano.

>Lots of times people with whom I play want to
> hear a nice balance so they can mix themselves into it. On a tight
> stage "spill" is not a problem with this approach.

Another problem is that the usable part of stage is only about 42 inches
wide, so the monitors have to be placed to the far left and far right. The
stage is much wider than that, but there is a fixed waist-high partition in
front of a mostly-empty choir loft. The choir loft is a sacred cow - white
elephant.

>> Almost all of the musos like to move around. Also, space on the
>> stage at torso level is highly constrained (only about 42" wide at
>> max).

> So do you need to fire the mons nearly straight up from the stage
> floor to hit a muso's in the ears, or do you put the mons out front
> of the stage platform proper on chairs, stools, or something like
> that?

We fire up at a 60 degree angle, from on the stage at each end. We've
experimented with firing from the stairs in front of the stage, but
appearance and spill is an issue. People don't want the technology to be all
that visible. Detracts from the mellow shimmer off the scratched wood trim,
ratty red velvet carpet, and silvery organ pipes. ;-)

> Without wanting to offend here, I'm on the border of suggesting that
> your problem is with muso experience.

No doubt. Most of them have if anything, just classical voice training. I
don't think that working with monitors was a topic during their formal
training, much of which had to be from at least 30 years ago.

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In article <78mdnXPQkKrBTrbcRVn-pQ@comcast.com> arnyk@hotpop.com writes:

> No. The monitor causing problems has 2 lightweight 10" and a piezo tweeter.

Put some gaffer tape over the piezo tweeter. Then they won't need the
low end to be so loud as to drown out the twizzy high end.


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