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I am planning on upgrading my system in another 4-6 weeks. I am
looking for a motherboard/CPU combination that will cooperate with my
existing hardware: Pinnacle Pro-ONE, Tascam US-428, Yamaha DSP Fctory
w/AX16 ADAT interface, and M-Audio Midisport 2x2 USB. I will be
running Sonar 3 Producer, Adobe Premiere, a 3D app (Blender) and
TMPGenc for video MPEG encoding.

I would love to get into the Athlon64 arena but my wallet won't let
me. I think I'm going to go with a AthlonXP. My question is are there
any warnings about MB/chipset I should know. I'm looking at budgeting
an Athlon XP 2500 and an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard. Does anyone
know any potential pitfalls? I saw a post on the Cakewalk forum about
people having problems with NVidia nForce2 chipset and DSP Factory
cards. Once I learn to trust audio over USB, I may use the US-428 as
my main audio interface and put the DSP Factory on eBay. The main
compatibility I think I must address is with the Pro-ONE and USB stuff
(Midisport and US-428). I eventually would be getting into DSP
card-based plugins like the UAD-1 and PowerCore. Are there any
problems these cards have with any particular chipsets? What
environment does Sonar 3 (or Sonar 4 soon) prefer? I will probably
need an 8x AGP card as well. I was considering an NVidia card as it
should agree with the A7N8X's nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset: NVidia and
NVidia correct. I would like some OpenGL power for the 3D app
(Blender) and maybe some video stuff. I would imagine that Sonar
dosen't really need major video power. Is there something I should
know?

My current jalopy:
Abit KT-7A motherboard
Athlon 900MHz Thunderbird
1GB (2 x 512) PC133 running at 100MHz (9 x 100)
Matrox G450 32MB AGP
IBM 72000 15GB Deskstar (system)
WD800JB 7200 80GB 8MB cache (audio, video)
DSP Factory w/ AX-16
Pinnacle Pro-ONE
Windows 2000

Proposed upgrades:
Athlon XP 2500
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard
1GB (2 x 512) PC2700 333MHz DDR
NVidia FX5200 8X AGP

Thanks for the time to look and answer.

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The other concern is are there issues with the US-428 and VIA
chipsets? As the 428 is going to be my main controller tool that is
the compatibility priority. I am a big AMD fan, second only to my
wallet. What I would want is:
Serial ATA (RAID ?)
ATA100/133
AGP 8X
USB 2.0
333/400/9,000,000,000 MHz FSB and memory

"kitekrazy" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<10isu17krikkqc9@corp.supernews.com>...
> "Will" <willparis2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:179c50f.0408261519.34d95a31@posting.google.com...
> >I saw a post on the Cakewalk forum about people having problems with NVidia
> nForce2 chipset and DSP Factory
> > cards.<
>
> I've heard that too with Yamaha SW1000XG users. It could be that all
> Yamaha PCI cards won't work as nForce. These cards are no longer
> manufactured or supported. They will work with VIA and Intel chipsets.
>
> I have that same board you are considering in another system.There is also
> a version that has the VIA chipsets if you are not wanting to part with the
> DSP Factory.
>
> I upgraded a system from a Gigabyte board with VIA266 to an A7N8X (2400XP,
> 1gig RAM, Terratec EWX2496) and I'm sure there may be some documentation
> that says it performs better but the things I have done on it has yet been
> noticeable or made me say wow! I've played games, some audio work and I
> haven't noticed any difference.

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The Athlon64 2800+ is about $140 now. Are you sure you want to invest in an
XP setup just to save maybe $75?

-S

"Will" <willparis2001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:179c50f.0408261519.34d95a31@posting.google.com...
>I am planning on upgrading my system in another 4-6 weeks. I am
> looking for a motherboard/CPU combination that will cooperate with my
> existing hardware: Pinnacle Pro-ONE, Tascam US-428, Yamaha DSP Fctory
> w/AX16 ADAT interface, and M-Audio Midisport 2x2 USB. I will be
> running Sonar 3 Producer, Adobe Premiere, a 3D app (Blender) and
> TMPGenc for video MPEG encoding.
>
> I would love to get into the Athlon64 arena but my wallet won't let
> me. I think I'm going to go with a AthlonXP. My question is are there
> any warnings about MB/chipset I should know. I'm looking at budgeting
> an Athlon XP 2500 and an Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard. Does anyone
> know any potential pitfalls? I saw a post on the Cakewalk forum about
> people having problems with NVidia nForce2 chipset and DSP Factory
> cards. Once I learn to trust audio over USB, I may use the US-428 as
> my main audio interface and put the DSP Factory on eBay. The main
> compatibility I think I must address is with the Pro-ONE and USB stuff
> (Midisport and US-428). I eventually would be getting into DSP
> card-based plugins like the UAD-1 and PowerCore. Are there any
> problems these cards have with any particular chipsets? What
> environment does Sonar 3 (or Sonar 4 soon) prefer? I will probably
> need an 8x AGP card as well. I was considering an NVidia card as it
> should agree with the A7N8X's nForce2 Ultra 400 chipset: NVidia and
> NVidia correct. I would like some OpenGL power for the 3D app
> (Blender) and maybe some video stuff. I would imagine that Sonar
> dosen't really need major video power. Is there something I should
> know?
>
> My current jalopy:
> Abit KT-7A motherboard
> Athlon 900MHz Thunderbird
> 1GB (2 x 512) PC133 running at 100MHz (9 x 100)
> Matrox G450 32MB AGP
> IBM 72000 15GB Deskstar (system)
> WD800JB 7200 80GB 8MB cache (audio, video)
> DSP Factory w/ AX-16
> Pinnacle Pro-ONE
> Windows 2000
>
> Proposed upgrades:
> Athlon XP 2500
> Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard
> 1GB (2 x 512) PC2700 333MHz DDR
> NVidia FX5200 8X AGP
>
> Thanks for the time to look and answer.

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>
> "Scott Reams" <sreams@liquiddaw.com> wrote in message
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>> The Athlon64 2800+ is about $140 now. Are you sure you want to invest
>> in
> an
>> XP setup just to save maybe $75?
>>
>> -S
>>
>
> And where would they be found for that price?
>
>

Check http://www.pricewatch.com/

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Ok, and they are the boxed versions. I'll never buy another AMD OEM again.
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> "kitekrazy" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > "Scott Reams" <sreams@liquiddaw.com> wrote in message
> > news:UG4Yc.3283$JG7.341@hydra.nntpserver.com...
> >> The Athlon64 2800+ is about $140 now. Are you sure you want to invest
> >> in
> > an
> >> XP setup just to save maybe $75?
> >>
> >> -S
> >>
> >
> > And where would they be found for that price?
> >
> >
>
> Check http://www.pricewatch.com/
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the US-428 is USB, which typically means *less* potential
compatibility problems with the chipset.

that being said, don't turn away from Via automatically. They had
some issues a while back, but that's at least two chipset generations
ago.

I have an Asus A7V8x-x, which gets along great with various audio
hardware.

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sam booka <My.em@il.is.the.kitchen> wrote in
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> "kitekrazy" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:10j2dsbdm3fcqd8
> @corp.supernews.com:
>
>> Ok, and they are the boxed versions. I'll never buy another AMD OEM
>> again.
>>>
>>> Check http://www.pricewatch.com/
>
> My impression is that you can get either. You could always specify
boxed
> with fan and tested.
>
> Check out the mobo/cpu/fan combos. Even a 3200 Athlon 64 combo is in
the
> 280-290 range:
> http://www.pricewatch.com/m/mn.aspx?i=306&f=1

I wish I knew of a website like this for Oz.

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I guess the USB concerns are old news as I don't seem to have a
problem with controller data on my Abit KT-7A. There are 2 reasons I
chose the Asus:

1 The A7N8X is on the compatibility list for my Pinnacle Pro-ONE:
http://www.pinnaclesys.com/docsupp [...] age_id=343

2 The A7N8X seemed to get the good reviews for nForce2 Ultra 400
motherboards on Tom's Hardware Guide:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mothe [...] 00-07.html

The A7V8X doesn't support 400MHz FSB which seems even more of a "dead
end" upgrade for me. I planned to start with a XP2500 at 333MHz and
then I could put in a XP3200 400MHz chip and match it with 400MHz
memory.

Athlon64 looks very inviting and is probably the future. Although the
life expectancy of an AthlonXP is very limited. I could probably get
good performance for the next 12 months. Hey it certainly will out
perform my 900MHz Thunderbird. By next year I'm sure 64-bit Windows XP
will have matured and forced minimum system requirements WAY up. Right
now though my wallet is looking for the best price / perfomance ratio.
The $300 for an Athlon64 and motherboard is just under my total budget
for upgrading (AthlonXP, motherboard, 2 x 512MB 333MHz PC2700, AGP 8X
video card). Unless someone would like to treat me to a dual-Opteron,
all in.

As my main app will be Sonar 3(or 4??), what should I be trying to do
for the next 12 months? I don't forsee many softsynth. I am mostly
concerned my mixing: About 30-40 tracks w/EQ; maybe 12-20 dynamics
(compression, gating, expanding, etc.) for vocals, drums, bass and
anything synth parts that may need it; and 4-6 SWEET master effects
(reverb, delay, chorus, etc.) and the ocassional insert effect as
needed. Should I:
Go with an AthlonXP/Asus A7N8X.
Find a cheap dual AthlonMP/XP/Xeon.
Wait for Athlon64/64FX/Opteron to drop.
Get a P4.
Get an Itainium (a what?)

Sonar does support dual processors right?

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"kitekrazy" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message news:<10j79otl9hs21e4@corp.supernews.com>...
> >
> > The A7V8X doesn't support 400MHz FSB which seems even more of a "dead
> > end" upgrade for me.<
>
> According to the Asus site it does support 400fsb.
>
> The person who started this thread has a Yamaha DSP card which doesn't work
> with nForce chips.

Somewhere I read that the DSP card would work with an nForce chip if
the DSP card had an IRQ to itself.

I have a Yamaha DSP card and I'm going to buy a new motherboard and
CPU in the next 2 days. I'm concerned about the compatibility of the
DSP card with the new motherboards and nForce chipsets. I'm
considering:
Athlon 64 (2800+, 3000+, or 3200+), Socket 754 (ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte,
Epox)
Pentium 4 (around 3ghz) Socket 478.

Besides using the Yamaha DSP, I will edit video (with Vegas, After
Effects), processing RAW digital image files and viewing/editing a ton
of large images.
I'm keeping my Matrox 550 graphics card and 512mb of PC2100 memory,
but these may need to get upgraded as well. I do want to have 1 gb of
memory.

I'm currently using Windows 98 and am real hesitant to go to XP
although the latest versions of Photoshop and Vegas Video require
Windows 2000 or XP. I'd like the system to be sufficient for 2 or 3
years.

I'd really appreciate good advice as to motherboards and CPU. My
priorities are Compatibility, Stability, speed, and reasonably quiet.

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"kitekrazy" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > Somewhere I read that the DSP card would work with an nForce chip if
> > the DSP card had an IRQ to itself.
> >
>
> That doesn't matter. It's gamble with nForce.

How so? Lots of folks are running Dell Inspiron notebook computers with the
nvidea chipset and no problems doing firewire or usb audio.

Is there some technical data to back up this statement?

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>
> How so? Lots of folks are running Dell Inspiron notebook computers with
the
> nvidea chipset and no problems doing firewire or usb audio.
>
> Is there some technical data to back up this statement?
>

You seem to have misread something. We are talking about Yamaha PCI cards
like the DSP Factory and SW1000XG that won't work with nForce chipsets.

While there is no technical data but enough user data to support this.