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Anonymous
May 26, 2005 10:18:41 PM

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See:-

www.3dgamers.com/games/boilingpoint

The first US patch has been posted in the Download section.

also see:-

www.boiling-point.net

for a lot more detail on the game and a link to
the Atari site for the first US patch.

If the above does not work, try:-

http://tinyurl.com/ascmg

for a direct connection to the Atari download site ( thanks
to Alfred Pum for the URL )

Boling Point will be released ~ May 30 in the US. $39.99.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Summary of input on the thread "Boiling Point ?" currently running
only in the "pc.games.action" group:-

A real breath of 3D-gaming fresh air. Action/RPG with strong RPG
elements. Stylish and very original cross between Deus Ex (1),
Morrowind, Far Cry etc.. Single-player only. A modern mercenary with a
mission to save his daughter in a steamy unstable equatorial country
( Colombia is the model ).with a bunch of factions at each others'
throats. Open area gameplay. From the small Ukranian developer Deep
Shadows. If you are expecting the latest graphics to show off your
dual GF6800 Ultras, give this one a miss.... more like DX8.x. If you
are expecting the latest in advanced action-AI....give this one a
miss. However, if you are expecting refreshingly-different gameplay...
take a very hard look indeed. Expect some bugs !! ( At least, the
first US patch has been released...)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Roll on a year or so, and I can see some very adventurous modders
taking Boiling Point and emulating it on the Bethesda Oblivion
toolset. Boiling Point is a totally refreshing change in the
action/RPG domain from the endless medieval/fantasy themes.
Or maybe Bethesda will license the BP ideas from Deep Shadows
and do a modern action/RPG themselves after Oblivion is
released ??? Todd Howard would probably have apoplexy.....

However, Boiling Point seems to have exposed a hole in the
cross-genre action/RPG fabric.. the missing thoroughly-modern
single-player action/RPG ( a 21st-century Morrowind with stronger
action elements ) .... that PC (and console, yuk !!) gamers might
just like to see filled.......

And please, please don't pirate this one...

( steamKILLER we do NOT need your spurious comments here !! )

Here is an adventurous small developer that truly deserves our
reward. Atari will only get the message that there is something
worth further nurturing here if they see the $$ rolling in.

John Lewis
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 1:51:10 AM

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The patches READ-ME here ......
http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...

Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...

Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the UK
on May 20)

Luv mouse
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May 27, 2005 1:51:11 AM

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 21:51:10 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
<NOspam@spam.not> wrote:

>The patches READ-ME here ......
>http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>
>Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>
>Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the UK
>on May 20)

The patch won't help the UK game. I will wait for a UK patch and
feedback on it before ordering the game.
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Anonymous
May 27, 2005 3:10:49 AM

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 21:50:43 GMT, Andrew <spamtrap@localhost.> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 May 2005 21:51:10 +0100, "Trimble Bracegirdle"
><NOspam@spam.not> wrote:
>
>>The patches READ-ME here ......
>>http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>>
>>Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>>
>>Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the UK
>>on May 20)
>
>The patch won't help the UK game. I will wait for a UK patch and
>feedback on it before ordering the game.
>--

Maybe the US patch fixes the UK game also.... ???

The release in the US is DVD-only, no CD version, which makes me very
suspicious that it is just a repackaging of the UK disc for the US
market...

John Lewis


>Andrew, contact via interpleb.blogspot.com
>Help make Usenet a better place: English is read downwards,
>please don't top post. Trim replies to quote only relevant text.
>Check groups.google.com before asking an obvious question.
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 3:45:22 AM

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Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
> The patches READ-ME here ......
> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>
> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...


- The police station in Puerto Sombra could be destroyed with a single
crossbow bolt.

Awesome :D 
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 3:45:23 AM

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 23:45:22 +0100, Jamie_Manic <yeahbutno@slag.com>
wrote:

>Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
>> The patches READ-ME here ......
>> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>>
>> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>
>
>- The police station in Puerto Sombra could be destroyed with a single
>crossbow bolt.
>
>Awesome :D 

Naw, just nuclear-tipped bolts.......... :-) :-)

John Lewis
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 5:03:42 AM

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x-no-archive: yes

John Lewis wrote:

> The release in the US is DVD-only, no CD version, which
> makes me very suspicious that it is just a repackaging
> of the UK disc for the US market...

why is it a repackaging of the uk disc?
atari is a global company
the pc game market is global
think global!
i bet there is no "uk disc" either a single worldwide english
version
ok so in europe boiling point was released first but that
doesn't mean a thing

its stupid having various english versions like one in the us
and another in the uk and even a australian... and with each
having its own patch file... that's insane!
that has to stop!

developers and publishers are always talking about how much
more expensive pc game development has become so they should
start cutting things like stupid superfluous localized versions

for me there should only be a single version worldwide
i would cut all of those superfluous localized versions even
those featuring translations or voice overs
if someone no matter what nationality wants to become a pc gamer
it has to learn english
pc games only in english
and only a single english version for each game!

--
post made in a steam-free computer
i said "NO" to valve and steam
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 7:38:28 AM

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Is there a demo for this game?
John Lewis wrote:
> On Thu, 26 May 2005 23:45:22 +0100, Jamie_Manic <yeahbutno@slag.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Trimble Bracegirdle wrote:
>>> The patches READ-ME here ......
>>> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>>>
>>> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>>
>>
>> - The police station in Puerto Sombra could be destroyed with a
>> single crossbow bolt.
>>
>> Awesome :D 
>
> Naw, just nuclear-tipped bolts.......... :-) :-)
>
> John Lewis


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Anonymous
May 27, 2005 8:24:15 AM

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steamKILLER wrote:
> for me there should only be a single version worldwide
> i would cut all of those superfluous localized versions even
> those featuring translations or voice overs
> if someone no matter what nationality wants to become a pc gamer
> it has to learn english
> pc games only in english
> and only a single english version for each game!

If you really think this, then perhaps you should start by improving
your own English.

You can begin with a lesson on when to use capital letters.
May 27, 2005 11:24:13 AM

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Trimble Bracegirdle" <NOspam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:429636bd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
> The patches READ-ME here ......
> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>
> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>
> Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the
> UK on May 20)
>
> Luv mouse
> @@@@@@@@@@

How'd you get free shipping? My checkout added a ton for shipping to the
US...

turk
--
"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 2:47:22 PM

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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message > >
> >The patch won't help the UK game. I will wait for a UK patch and
> >feedback on it before ordering the game.
> >--
>
> Maybe the US patch fixes the UK game also.... ???
>
> The release in the US is DVD-only, no CD version, which makes me very
> suspicious that it is just a repackaging of the UK disc for the US
> market...

No, the US patch doesn't work properly on the UK version of the game. The
patch checks each of the files it tries to replace, and refuses to replace
files where there's a mismatch. When you try and apply it, it won't update
the executable, so it's not worth bothering to persevere with a frankenstein
build of the game.

Why on earth they released a patch for the US version which isn't out,
instead of the EU version which *is*, is beyond me.
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 4:33:31 PM

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> its stupid having various english versions like one in the us
> and another in the uk and even a australian... and with each
> having its own patch file... that's insane!
> that has to stop!

Think of the children!
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 5:30:46 PM

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"The Mighty MF" <sether01@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:s1Ble.15752$bD5.5847@fe07.lga...
> Is there a demo for this game?

No, there isn't. Considering that the gameworld is one big level, I'm not
sure how they could even pull it off.
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 5:30:47 PM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:30:46 +0200, "Alfred Pum" <mooskugerl@DELETEgmx.at>
wrote:

>"The Mighty MF" <sether01@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>news:s1Ble.15752$bD5.5847@fe07.lga...
>> Is there a demo for this game?
>
>No, there isn't. Considering that the gameworld is one big level, I'm not
>sure how they could even pull it off.
>

OpFlash did it - the mission was the entire island confined to a single
operation zone.
May 27, 2005 5:30:48 PM

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"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
news:80ae91d717pubq8l1tofpff7vlbb0isgge@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:30:46 +0200, "Alfred Pum" <mooskugerl@DELETEgmx.at>
> wrote:
>
>>"The Mighty MF" <sether01@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>news:s1Ble.15752$bD5.5847@fe07.lga...
>>> Is there a demo for this game?
>>
>>No, there isn't. Considering that the gameworld is one big level, I'm not
>>sure how they could even pull it off.
>>
>
> OpFlash did it - the mission was the entire island confined to a single
> operation zone.

Or do it the "Second Sight" way - a *timed* demo. You'd have 15 minutes to
find or make as much mayhem as you can. Go! Go! Go!
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 7:07:46 PM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 07:24:13 -0500, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>Trimble Bracegirdle" <NOspam@spam.not> wrote in message
>news:429636bd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> The patches READ-ME here ......
>> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>>
>> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>>
>> Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the
>> UK on May 20)
>>
>> Luv mouse
>> @@@@@@@@@@
>
>How'd you get free shipping? My checkout added a ton for shipping to the
>US...
>
>turk

amazon.uk doesn't charge for shipping to a UK address for orders over
19 pounds.

Lynley
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 7:47:44 PM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:47:22 +0100, "Sam Jones"
<sam.j.jones@spamnull.logicacmg.com> wrote:

>
>"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message > >
>> >The patch won't help the UK game. I will wait for a UK patch and
>> >feedback on it before ordering the game.
>> >--
>>
>> Maybe the US patch fixes the UK game also.... ???
>>
>> The release in the US is DVD-only, no CD version, which makes me very
>> suspicious that it is just a repackaging of the UK disc for the US
>> market...
>
>No, the US patch doesn't work properly on the UK version of the game. The
>patch checks each of the files it tries to replace, and refuses to replace
>files where there's a mismatch. When you try and apply it, it won't update
>the executable, so it's not worth bothering to persevere with a frankenstein
>build of the game.
>
>Why on earth they released a patch for the US version which isn't out,
>instead of the EU version which *is*, is beyond me.
>

We in the US are the dominant and all-powerful Sith....
George is our Emperor, to whom all in the universe must bow, or.....

John Lewis

>
>
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 7:56:45 PM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 07:24:13 -0500, "turk" <turk96@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>Trimble Bracegirdle" <NOspam@spam.not> wrote in message
>news:429636bd_2@mk-nntp-2.news.uk.tiscali.com...
>> The patches READ-ME here ......
>> http://www.3dgamers.com/dlselect/games/boilingpoint/boi...
>>
>> Seems to list corrections for all the main BUGs ...
>>
>> Amazon.co.uk has it at £25 UK pounds inc FREE delivery (came out in the
>> UK on May 20)
>>
>> Luv mouse
>> @@@@@@@@@@
>
>How'd you get free shipping? My checkout added a ton for shipping to the
>US...

Er, don't do that........... if you are in the US !!

Others in this thread have now established that the first patch, only
released for the US at present, is NOT compatible with at least one
non-US version (UK). The US release is currently scheduled for May 30,
pushed back from May 24 --- maybe to test the just-released patch ?
( see www.ebworld.com, or others...)

John Lewis


>
>turk
>--
>"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely,
>the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great
>and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire
>at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." - H. L.
>Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920.
>
>
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 10:36:52 PM

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"Nonymous" <noham@nospam.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:29mdnXbaNK4WqArfRVn-tg@giganews.com...

> Or do it the "Second Sight" way - a *timed* demo. You'd have 15 minutes
to
> find or make as much mayhem as you can. Go! Go! Go!

That would still be a rather biiiig download, though. 3,8 GB!
Anonymous
May 27, 2005 10:41:03 PM

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"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:80ae91d717pubq8l1tofpff7vlbb0isgge@4ax.com...
>
> OpFlash did it - the mission was the entire island confined to a single
> operation zone.

And I had more fun with just that demo than with the whole of Doom3. I must
have stormed that light-tower a thousand times :) 

Don't know if that's managable here, Realia is just one "island", you see.
It's either all or nothing, I think.
Anonymous
May 28, 2005 1:06:01 AM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:57:55 -0400, "Nonymous" <noham@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>news:80ae91d717pubq8l1tofpff7vlbb0isgge@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:30:46 +0200, "Alfred Pum" <mooskugerl@DELETEgmx.at>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"The Mighty MF" <sether01@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>news:s1Ble.15752$bD5.5847@fe07.lga...
>>>> Is there a demo for this game?
>>>
>>>No, there isn't. Considering that the gameworld is one big level, I'm not
>>>sure how they could even pull it off.
>>>
>>
>> OpFlash did it - the mission was the entire island confined to a single
>> operation zone.
>
>Or do it the "Second Sight" way - a *timed* demo. You'd have 15 minutes to
>find or make as much mayhem as you can. Go! Go! Go!

15 minutes is too short to evaluate a game, as it generally covers only the
extremely easy portion.

Reflexive Arcade seems to have determined the average evaluation time
required to be 60 minutes... this seems to work quite well as you generally
see enough features of the game to see if it's worthwhile or not. There's
some exceptions - Rocket Bowl only allows 30 minutes of free play, while
Wik allows 90 minutes.
Anonymous
May 28, 2005 2:03:41 AM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:45 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
wrote:

>Others in this thread have now established that the first patch, only
>released for the US at present, is NOT compatible with at least one
>non-US version (UK). The US release is currently scheduled for May 30,
>pushed back from May 24 --- maybe to test the just-released patch ?
>( see www.ebworld.com, or others...)

Ok, I have to admit I'm confused. You mean they've released a patch
for a version of the game that isn't out yet?


Crash7
remove x's from address to email
Anonymous
May 28, 2005 6:58:06 AM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 21:06:01 -0400, bk039@ncf.ca (Raymond Martineau)
wrote:

>On Fri, 27 May 2005 10:57:55 -0400, "Nonymous" <noham@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Raymond Martineau" <bk039@ncf.ca> wrote in message
>>news:80ae91d717pubq8l1tofpff7vlbb0isgge@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:30:46 +0200, "Alfred Pum" <mooskugerl@DELETEgmx.at>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"The Mighty MF" <sether01@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
>>>>news:s1Ble.15752$bD5.5847@fe07.lga...
>>>>> Is there a demo for this game?
>>>>
>>>>No, there isn't. Considering that the gameworld is one big level, I'm not
>>>>sure how they could even pull it off.
>>>>
>>>
>>> OpFlash did it - the mission was the entire island confined to a single
>>> operation zone.
>>
>>Or do it the "Second Sight" way - a *timed* demo. You'd have 15 minutes to
>>find or make as much mayhem as you can. Go! Go! Go!
>

BTW (OT) :-
Picked up "Second Sight" (PC) about a month ago @ Babbages
for $14.99, new. I enjoyed it immensely. A surprisingly-fun
action-game with a great story-line - I really enjoyed the novel use
of memory 'flash-backs'. I generally do not like movies that use
similar techniques, but the 'flash-back' integrates almost naturally
with this particular story-line. Nice level-design and great voice-
scripting, but not exactly the latest graphics-engine and some nasty
clipping at times -still not enough irritation to detract from the
story and action.

John Lewis

>15 minutes is too short to evaluate a game, as it generally covers only the
>extremely easy portion.
>

>Reflexive Arcade seems to have determined the average evaluation time
>required to be 60 minutes... this seems to work quite well as you generally
>see enough features of the game to see if it's worthwhile or not. There's
>some exceptions - Rocket Bowl only allows 30 minutes of free play, while
>Wik allows 90 minutes.
Anonymous
May 28, 2005 9:46:04 AM

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On Fri, 27 May 2005 22:03:41 -0500, Crash7
<xscott.crankx@insightbb.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 27 May 2005 15:56:45 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
>wrote:
>
>>Others in this thread have now established that the first patch, only
>>released for the US at present, is NOT compatible with at least one
>>non-US version (UK). The US release is currently scheduled for May 30,
>>pushed back from May 24 --- maybe to test the just-released patch ?
>>( see www.ebworld.com, or others...)
>
>Ok, I have to admit I'm confused. You mean they've released a patch
>for a version of the game that isn't out yet?
>

YES. Happens very frequently. Remember that the space between going
"Gold" and arriving at retail can be up to 2 weeks. In the case of BP,
it is closer to 3 weeks (at least here in the US of A. ). If you watch
patch releases on up-to-date sites like 3dgamers, you will notice that

interesting phenomenon very often. 1st patch before game hits retail.
Better to have the patch than a really broken game, but does not put
the beta-testers in a very good light, or maybe the developer was
under time-pressure from the publisher. Can't afford to do that with
console-games because of the limited patch-capability.

John Lewis

>
>Crash7
>remove x's from address to email
Anonymous
June 2, 2005 9:07:06 PM

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 18:18:41 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
wrote:

>See:-
>
>www.3dgamers.com/games/boilingpoint
>
>The first US patch has been posted in the Download section.
>
>also see:-
>
>www.boiling-point.net
>
> for a lot more detail on the game and a link to
>the Atari site for the first US patch.
>
>If the above does not work, try:-
>
>http://tinyurl.com/ascmg
>
> for a direct connection to the Atari download site ( thanks
>to Alfred Pum for the URL )
>
(Posted to several BP-related threads..)

Interesting things are going on here in the US with regard to BP
shipments.

The official US release has been slipping daily and today has now
block-moved to 6 June.... watching the EB Games web-site.
Ship information on the EB site here in the US is pretty reliable. The
US patch was also withdrawn by Atari last Friday. Putting the 2
together, I venture a guess that the US BP DVD is either being updated
to incorporate at least the most critical set of fixes, or being held
back long enough to properly verify compatibility with a re-released
patch.

Some here in the US have already got copies of BP and I notice
as of last night 5 copies are still available from Amazon (US).
Anybody in the US thinking of buying from Amazon should hold off until
the smoke clears.There is no indication as to which version of BP
Amazon(US) is actually selling or whether any versions being currently
sold in the US will represent the final shipped US DVD.
( a .exe size comparison will likely reveal the truth after the US
version is widely available. )

John Lewis
!