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March 11, 2002 8:34:33 PM

just trying to do a win2k error checking for my primary drive, and it says it cannot do it cauz its unable to obtain exculsive access, and will try to do it on next bootup.

question is... how do i change this? i dont wanna do it on bootup, i want to do it NOW.
(cauz i rarely reboot its so stable, just hibernate)

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March 11, 2002 9:49:55 PM

I'm afraid you are stuck with it, buddy.

CHKDSK can't run on any volume while the GUI is loaded that it can't lock, which means any partition that contains the operating system files, including the paging file. And there's no way around it.

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March 12, 2002 4:11:34 AM

hmmmm curious...

ive got 2 drives with 3 partitions.

40gb into 2;
5gb system+proggies+pagefile - cannot chkdisk
35gb games + few proggies/utils - also cannot

80gb maxtor 1 partition
movies + divx + porn +utils - can chkdisk.

question... why can i NOT do the 35gb partition? its go no pagefile or system stuff on it

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March 12, 2002 7:16:05 AM

You might get some more information on this <A HREF="http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q160654" target="_new">page</A>. Something is obviously locking the volume, like a third-party service running at startup, or an anti-virus program.

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March 13, 2002 9:13:34 AM

GUI: Graphical User Interface.

what is the link between chkdsk, HD & display ?


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March 13, 2002 2:59:55 PM

It's really not an issue between the disk checking utility and the display. I was referring to the GUI in an off-hand manner, as when the operating system is full loaded, and the utility is accessed from within a window on the desktop, rather than from the command line.

ScanDisk, which is the older utility, is 16-bit, and could run "underneath" the level of the operating system in most cases (unless another program interfered) and repair the file system, whether initiated from the GUI, or from the command line. CHKDSK is a 32-bit utility, and cannot repair the file system within the partition where the operating system 32-bit subsystem is loaded. Without support for DOS, this has to be run from a boot-time environment in Win2K and WinXP.

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March 13, 2002 4:20:34 PM

hmm...,
i just run ChkDsk (32bits) for now & it works fine under a Dos Window task on my WinXp primary partition.

i dont understand well your comments.


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March 13, 2002 5:13:53 PM

There is no MS-DOS in a true 32-bit operating system like WinXP. No MS-DOS functions except task-switching API (application programming interface) functions are supported. Instead, WinXP has Wowexec.exe (the Windows on Windows subsystem), a virtual machine that offers support for Win3.x programs.

What you opened from the Start Menu is not the familiar DOS window from previous operating systems, although it resembles one.

This is the Command Interpreter. The default command interpreter used on Windows 95/98/Me is called command.com, which is a 16-bit program. The default command interpreter used on Windows NT/2000/XP is called cmd.exe, and it is 32-bit.

While you <i>can</i> seemingly run CHKDSK from within this window, the utility cannot actually correct found errors when there are open files on the volume, because the volume cannot be locked.

In other words, you ran it ... but it didn't really do anything useful.

Does that make more sense?

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March 13, 2002 5:42:06 PM

yes, of course. :) 

i think maybe i have to send to Microsoft an Chkdsk error report because it ran "succesfully" (with at 3 times 3 different files/index/security descriptors check processes & 3 ok end status) but in fact it did nothing. :) 

<i>oh, this will be just another entry on their kdb :) </i>


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March 13, 2002 7:12:11 PM

chkdsk /f and reboot :) 
March 13, 2002 7:20:17 PM

well my computer locked up completely last nite. something which it hasnt done for MONTHS.
so i did a reboot and it did all the checking on startup.

think i just experienced my hard drive getting and avoiding a bad sector. not very nice. bit of disk activity in there had the teltale signs with 'grind grind grind pause' repeating for about 5 times. only happened on one app though, and alls peachy again now. only minor damage done to some inconsequential files for which the bootup chkdsk cleaned up.

also did a virus check too. all clean! :) 


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March 14, 2002 12:04:33 AM

Uh oh. I wonder if that hard drive is destined to spend a few hours wrapped up in a ZIP-lock bag and securely tucked away in the freezer?

I hope you have an image this time 'round, dude.

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March 14, 2002 1:09:35 AM

i dont think so. only happened the once and alls been good since.

more of a hiccup really. and if it does go im not too worried, all of my important data is backedup elsewhere

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March 14, 2002 10:37:34 AM

1. i dont speak about 16 bits progs & DOS.
they dont more exit for me now. (nb: because of MS, not me :) )

2. of course i know the xp/2000/98/95 os emulation. its for backward compatibilities. (but they take off the old 16bits dos mechanism to avoid crashes because of its lack of reliability. (i know, it is an euphemism)

<i>nb: & it works :) 
i test with a 1995 old soft which obligate me to use the w95 os emulation for its install & its running too.</i>

3. you can laugh a little, i have forgotten the /F option (tired); the chkdsk can control ntfs but cant fix pbs.
with the /F option, i have the same issue: lock.

can you give me a solution for me now... ? :) 



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March 14, 2002 11:02:59 AM

I don't quite follow you. Are you just trying to figure out how to get CHKDSK to run?

Open My Computer. Right-click on the drive you wish to scan, and choose Properties\Tools\Check Now. Set the scan parameters. If this is a partition that contains the OS files, you'll get a message that allows you to set the scan at the next reboot. Okay that, and then reboot.

Does that help?

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March 14, 2002 12:25:38 PM

it's certainly my English which is not quite well. :) 


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March 17, 2002 7:04:26 PM

::arches brow::
What would sticking the drive into the freezer do???

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March 17, 2002 7:11:29 PM

<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/btvillarin/Downloads/200ways.p..." target="_new">200 Ways To Revive a Dead Hard Drive</A>

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March 17, 2002 7:17:49 PM

eww link bad :<



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March 17, 2002 8:14:29 PM

It's a link I picked up off another website. Interestingly enough, it won't work unless you click it while at the site.

Very strange.

But ... here's some of the content from the .pdf file:


From: jphillips

If the drive is spinning and you are experiencing these kinds of errors, my experience has been that you are out of luck.
If the drive is not spinning, I have been able to remove it from the computer and 'spin' the drive on a flat smooth surface (much like spin the bottle). This will usually free the drive and when placed back in the machine, it will boot. You should immediately back up your data after a successful boot, because the problem will return.
The next 'fix' was actually given to me by a Compaq technician several years ago. I had a drive that would not spin and he told me to put the drive in a plastic bag in the freezer overnight and then install back in the computer. Believe it or not, the drive booted. I have only tried this the one time.

From: John Turcotte

In the past, when a drive has failed after it has been running for a short period, I have removed it from the
machine and placed it in a freezer for a couple of hours, then hooked it up again. It sometimes will run long enough to remove the data to another safe storage medium.

From: David Furlow

One of the methods I have used before (sometimes even successfully) is to actually remove the drive from the PC, place it in the freezer for a day, then quickly put it back in the machine and try to access it.
Why does this work? Who knows, but I heard about this tactic years ago, and it has saved my behind on a couple of occasions. (Of course, if it comes back up, back up the data immediately.... Guess that should go without saying.)

From: Keri D.

Hard drive revival:
A technique I have learned is if you bring the temperature of the hard drive down to the freezing point by putting it in a freezer first and then taking it back out, somehow the condensation from bringing it back to room temperature helps revive it for about 20 minutes. It can be repeated about 5-6 times tops. Long enough to get out any important files that need to be backed up. It has been proven to work a number of times.

From: Christopher Post

How do you bring a hard drive back to life?
My situation:
Half of a volume set goes south on a WinNT server, no good backup and an angry boss screaming about the data being mission critical.
My solution:
** A bit unorthodox but, it has saved my butt! **
· Turn off the server.
· Take out the failing hard drive and wrap a static bag around it.
· Throw it in the freezer conveniently located in the break room.
· Pray for 1 1/2 to 2 hours.
Leaving the hard drive in the bag, quickly plug the drive back into the server. (Just plug the in cables
and go.) Cross fingers, turn it on, and move all data off the drive as fast as you can! Then add a tape drive and
start backing the dumb thing up!
My so-called logic:
Metal contracts when it is cold.... so the platters shrink and increase the clearance for the read/write heads.

From: Chris Poole

Put the drive in the freezer for about a week and then you can usually get one last read off the drive.

From: Cheyenne Robert Alspach

Here are some drive recovery tricks that have worked for me, in the order that I do them. Try booting the drive and copying the data off after every step.
1. Hold the drive upside down, making gravity change the head geometry ever so slightly. Vertical is also another option.
2. Slightly rap the drive with your knuckle, (but nowhere near hard enough to damage the drive).
3. Try the drive in another machine, (slight drive voltage change assumed to be the miracle worker here).
4. Rap the drive just SLIGHTLY harder than you did above in
5. Freeze the hard drive in the freezer for two hours, and place in a plastic zip lock bag to prevent condensation from forming on the drive when you plug it back into the system, (head geometry, electrical resistance lowered, electrical contact points adjusted, etc., assumed to be the miracle here).
6. After the drive warms up to room temperature or better, rap it even harder with your knuckle this time.
7. Repeat all of above steps on next day, as sometimes I've gotten data off drive simply by trying again.


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It's listed under Sunday, February 10, 2002.

Sorry for the confusion.

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March 17, 2002 10:23:29 PM

Sokie Joe, but pretty cool ::giggles at the punny:: nonetheless...

That may have saved my butt before when I lost EVERYTHING off my drive before I replaced my system..though with the drive functioning, just not being readable, that prolly wouldn't have made a difference heh

ah well..

Hey can you take a look at my thread while yer running around here? :) 
pretty weird ;/


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