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> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Inglo <ioo@??.???> wrote:
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> > Like no one's ever had PC game compatibility issues.
>
> john lewis even keeps old hardware around just so he can play old games.
>
> what a friggin' moron. i'm starting to suspect multiple personality
> disorder.

Hehe.
 
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I would've said that who cares if you can't play older games, but I have
been playing Red Alert: Yuri's Revenge lately as well as Ravenshield.
Ultimately though, don't PC's with MS OS's still have the same problem?
Let's see you run Duke Nuke 'Em, Terminator: Future Shock or even the
original Doom on any NT-based MS OS -- especially if you're using NTFS.

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"John Lewis" <john.dsl@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> See:-
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> http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562
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> The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
> all the applications with every upgrade....
>
> John Lewis
 
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"Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> I would've said that who cares if you can't play older games, but I have
> been playing Red Alert: Yuri's Revenge lately as well as Ravenshield.
> Ultimately though, don't PC's with MS OS's still have the same problem?
> Let's see you run Duke Nuke 'Em, Terminator: Future Shock or even the
> original Doom on any NT-based MS OS -- especially if you're using NTFS.

I can still run many games that are over 5 years old on a PC. Sometimes
it does take a little tinkering, though.
 
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On 6/16/2005 8:48 AM John Lewis brightened our day with:

>See:-
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>http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562
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>The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
>all the applications with every upgrade....
>
>John Lewis
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>
I don't get your point, the article is about how they're going about
getting backwards compatibility to work. I'm pretty confident games
like Halo 1&2, KotoR 1&2 and other XBox games I own will play fine on
the XBox360.
Like no one's ever had PC game compatibility issues. There are games
I've given up on for months waiting for driver issues to be resolved.

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"Magnulus" <magnulus@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:Kshse.2666$NU5.88@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
>> I would've said that who cares if you can't play older games, but I have
>> been playing Red Alert: Yuri's Revenge lately as well as Ravenshield.
>> Ultimately though, don't PC's with MS OS's still have the same problem?
>> Let's see you run Duke Nuke 'Em, Terminator: Future Shock or even the
>> original Doom on any NT-based MS OS -- especially if you're using NTFS.
>
> I can still run many games that are over 5 years old on a PC. Sometimes
> it does take a little tinkering, though.
>
>

Start>All Programs>Accessories>Program Compatibility Wizard

Tinker around here. You'll be surprised at what you can get to run doing
this.
 
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John Lewis wrote:
> I would suggest that you
> adopt the "SHOW ME"
> attitude to any Xbox360
> purchase

Here, here! Let's wait and see whether the Xbox360 is capable of
backwards compability at launch before we start harping on about it
like you are now.

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:07:06 GMT, "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> wrote:

>I would've said that who cares if you can't play older games, but I have
>been playing Red Alert: Yuri's Revenge lately as well as Ravenshield.
>Ultimately though, don't PC's with MS OS's still have the same problem?
>Let's see you run Duke Nuke 'Em, Terminator: Future Shock or even the
>original Doom on any NT-based MS OS -- especially if you're using NTFS.

You are comparing 13 years old PC games to previous-generation (0-5
years) console games.
 
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On 16 Jun 2005 12:38:04 -0700, flightlessvacuum@gmail.com wrote:

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>i own a yacht wrote:
>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action Inglo <ioo@??.???> wrote:
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>> > Like no one's ever had PC game compatibility issues.
>>
>> john lewis even keeps old hardware around just so he can play old games.
>>
>> what a friggin' moron. i'm starting to suspect multiple personality
>> disorder.
>
>Hehe.
>

Is mindlessvacuum@gmail.com a cousin to Sailor ?

John Lewis
 
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> See:-
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> http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562
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> The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
> all the applications with every upgrade....
>
> John Lewis

who cares? i'm buying xbox 2 for xbox 2 games, not xbox games.
 
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 05:01:40 GMT, jussi <jussi@hopmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:07:06 GMT, "Doug" <pigdos@nospam.com> wrote:
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>>I would've said that who cares if you can't play older games, but I have
>>been playing Red Alert: Yuri's Revenge lately as well as Ravenshield.
>>Ultimately though, don't PC's with MS OS's still have the same problem?
>>Let's see you run Duke Nuke 'Em, Terminator: Future Shock or even the
>>original Doom on any NT-based MS OS -- especially if you're using NTFS.
>
>You are comparing 13 years old PC games to previous-generation (0-5
>years) console games.

That's the point, his PC is backwards compatible.
 
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:44:14 GMT, i own a yacht <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>In comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action jussi <jussi@hopmail.com> wrote:
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>> Who pissed in your flakes? It is not uncommon for gamers, who also
>> like older games, to keep their older PC or console around in order to
>> play them properly. PC DOS game emulators still don't emulate Roland
>> MT-32 or SCC-1 properly, for example.
>
>thanks for the history lesson. it's also fairly common for blowhards
>like john lewis to whine when they need to use special software or older
>hardware to use older software even though they keep 4+ computers
>around just to do the same thing.

Actually, I really only need the 2 PCs, since the PC Amiga emulator
runs most of the Amiga games just fine in which I have any interest.
However, parallelism is very convenient and I have spare Amiga
monitors that double up as TV monitors :) :)

Got any consoles with great emulators ?

2 PCs spanning 20 years of great gaming --- not bad. Tell me
about the 2 consoles that do that.....

John Lewis
 
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It's not important. Keep your old XFLop for backward compatibility.

It's important. What if the XFLop dies and you don't want an ebay
ripoff replacement since XFLop isn't made anymore.

It's not important. Just get the new games.

It's important. There aren't many new games at the beginning plus there
are older games worth keeping and playing.

It's not important. The PowerPC and ATI GPU won't be able to run the
Intel and Nvidia GPU code natively, so forget it.

It's important. It is so important, xflop 1.5 full circle will pay
Nvidia royalty rights to use GPU code for the life of the console plus
develop an emulator and provide patches for the original games to run
under the emulator.

It's not important. The emulator and patched games won't run all the
games perfectly, so don't expect much.

It's important. Since the emulator and patching won't allow full
compatibility, some of the top seller titles will be ported over
completely to the PowerPC and ATI GPU. People will be willing to re-buy
these games to have "backward" compatibility.

And so on... It might help if the xflop 1.5 full circle could make up
its mind but that would be expecting too much. This situation doesn't
apply to the Playstation3 or the Nintendo Revolution. The Playstation2
was backwardly compatible with the Playstation and the Playstation 3
will be backwardly compatible with the Playstation 2 and the
Playstation. Plain and simple.

> See:-
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> http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562
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> The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
> all the applications with every upgrade....
 
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On Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:48:47 GMT, john.dsl@verizon.net (John Lewis)
wrote:

>See:-
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>http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=9562
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>The PC certainly has its advantages - not having to throw out
>all the applications with every upgrade....
>
>John Lewis


Here is a followup article:-

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/feature.php?aid=9591

M$$ has got themselves a real Catch22 of their own making.
They set the launch for the Christmas season. There will be very few
Xbox360 titles of any note available by that time.

If M$$ continues with their flaky backward-compatibility plans, many
Thanksgiving/Christmas shoppers will buy new Xbox game titles
expecting them to also work perfectly on the Xbox360. And when they
don't, expect a huge backlash.

Just before the buying season, M$$ should issue a definitive list
of Xbox games, both current and upcoming GUARANTEED to work
on the Xbox360. Then buyers can make the ultimate decision
themselves --- of course those games not on the list will potentially

have negatively-impacted sales.

And how could M$$ guarantee compatibility ?. Junk the download
patch-emulation nonsense and just make replacement compatible
DVDs available on a free-exchange basis to current purchasers
of games on the list. Also they could sell the Xbox360 version
of the most popular existing Xbox titles ( Halo, Halo2, Jade Empire
etc ) as Platinum ( budget) Xbox 360 titles.

Recompiling Microsoft Studios Xbox games for the Xbox360
should be easy, with nVidia's license and access to source.
For the most popular 3rd-party titles, M$$ could provide the
trancoding tools for free to the developers and subsidize the
disc exchange.

The proposal to try to patch the Xbox360 with downloadable
profiles is technical nonsense and fraught with practical problems.

Meanwhile Sony can sit back and learn from M$$'s mess.
Sony have very wisely chosen to release the PS3 during the
slack season... so if the schedule slips a month or two little harm is
done. If the Xbox360 slips Thanksgiving after all the advance
publicity ( and expectation in the software retail channel ) M$$ will
have major egg on its face. And a bunch of very angry retailers.

Nice to have a PC for gaming and be insulated from all this nonsense.

John Lewis
 
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Blig Merk Full Circle:

> It's not important.

Do you ever wonder what you'd be able to accomplish with your life if you
devoted as much time and energy to something worthwhile as you devote to
scribbling posts on Usenet about a piece of consumer electronics that you've
never seen or owned?

Of course that assumes that there actually could be something worthwhile in
your life. No wonder you spend so much time doing this instead.

> And so on... It might help if the xflop 1.5 full circle could make up
> its mind

And here we see evidence of the psychosis: Bligmerk perceives the Xbox as an
actual living entity. Oh, he knows it's not ALIVE, but it occupies such a
place of fear and power in his mind that, in essence, it may as well be.
I'll bet he quite literally dreams about it at night. Sad.

> Playstation 3
> will be backwardly compatible with the Playstation 2

Ah, but will it? Now Sony is saying it will involve hardware and software
emulation. And as soon as you introduce software emulation into the picture,
you start running into games that won't work properly. There is no
PS2-on-a-chip included in the PS3, and it goes without saying that the
hardware is radically different. So just how backwards compatible will it
be?

The whole thing is so shortsighted anyway. A year into a console's life,
when the shelves are full of quality games, backwards compatibility becomes
a non-issue. Nobody is going to buy an Xbox 360 in 2007 in order to play
Xbox games on it.

-Z-
 
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 17:54:54 -0600, "Hank the Rapper"
<xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:

>John Lewis wrote:
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>> M$$
>> M$$
>> M$$
>> M$$
>> M$$
>> M$$'s
>> M$$
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>http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20020722l.gif
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LOL..........

Think of the bandwidth that I save. Maybe I'll reduce it to M$, as
suggested --- to save some more.

Not that I have too much personally against Microsoft. I am just
a lazy typist -- and their Xbox360 strategy currently sux. It won't
even have any form of HDTV-rom or -video player, in spite of it
claiming to be a HDTV-compatible machine.



John Lewis

>
>

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Quoth The Raven "Blig Merk"<blig_murk@yahoo.com> in
1119095618.025833.211000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
> It's not important. Keep your old XFLop for backward compatibility.

to me its important, I never bought the original xbox even though I wanted
the buffy games, I waited to see if there was a pc emulator for xbox, but
that never happened, but I will definitely buy the xbox360 so I want those
games to be compatible with the new box

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One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that
you end up being governed by your inferiors. - (Plato)

Take out the _CURSEING to reply to me
 
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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 12:02:09 +1000, "Highlandish"
<ckreskay_CURSEING@dodo.com.au> wrote:

>Quoth The Raven "Blig Merk"<blig_murk@yahoo.com> in
>1119095618.025833.211000@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
>> It's not important. Keep your old XFLop for backward compatibility.
>
>to me its important, I never bought the original xbox even though I wanted
>the buffy games, I waited to see if there was a pc emulator for xbox, but
>that never happened, but I will definitely buy the xbox360 so I want those
>games to be compatible with the new box
>

Won't, except with a few current Xbox games... read between the lines
of the articles and Microsoft's posturing... they are in deep trouble
with backward compatibility, ever since they parted company with
nVidia and Intel and now they are flip-flopping frantically....

And Sony is probably grinning from ear-to-ear, because at the
minimum they will only need to offer their customers the same level
of compatibility that the Xbox achieves. They may actually do
much better, since they have more-or-less planned PS3
backward-compatibility from the beginning. And since Sony is
intimately technically familiar with the PS2 hardware design, the
transition should be easier than for Microsoft who effectively
contracted out the hardware and driver design of the Xbox.


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i own a yacht wrote:

> how long have you been blig merk's bitch now, anyways? has to have
> been a few years now, easy.

It's all part of the game, sunshine. And I like to think of myself more as
his parole officer.

-Z-
 
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"i own a yacht" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>>> It's not important.
>>
>> Of course that assumes that there actually could be something worthwhile
>> in
>> your life. No wonder you spend so much time doing this instead.
>
> and that says about you, constantly nipping at his heels like you're
> having any affect on him whatsoever?
>
> how long have you been blig merk's bitch now, anyways? has to have been
> a few years now, easy.

Lap dog's what he is. Completely clueless about it, too.
 
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Zackman wrote:
> The whole thing is so shortsighted anyway. A year into a console's life,
> when the shelves are full of quality games, backwards compatibility becomes
> a non-issue. Nobody is going to buy an Xbox 360 in 2007 in order to play
> Xbox games on it.
>
> -Z-

To be fair, I purchased PS1 games in 2004 to play on my PS2. I
purchased a couple different Final Fantasy anthologies and a couple
other random games. Got them off Amazon and eBay. So I wouldn't
consider backward compatability shortsighted in the least. It's a big
plus for me, and factored into my decision to purchase a PS2 at launch.
I'd hate to have to dig out my PS2 in 2007 just because I'm in the
mood to replay FFX or Rachet & Clank.

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Fred Liken wrote:

> Lap dog's what he is. Completely clueless about it, too.

Guess that makes you my bitch, eh Freddie? Just can't stay away, can you?
Please, try harder.

-Z-
 
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"Zackman" <zackman@SPAMISEVILearthling.net> wrote in message
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>> Lap dog's what he is. Completely clueless about it, too.
>
> Guess that makes you my bitch, eh Freddie? Just can't stay away, can you?
> Please, try harder.

Whatever! If that makes me your bitch, so be it, as long as it's
acknowledged that you are Bigmlerk's number one bitch boy!
 
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Zackcrybabybitch wrote:
> It's all part of the game, sunshine. And I like to think of myself more as
> his parole officer.

This statement is so senseless, it is idiotic, even for a well
established idiot like you. You also like to think of yourself as
Napoleon, a channeled 30,000 year old warrior princess and Will Smith's
toilet... and that isn't the end of your multiple psycho-schizo
personalities, Sybil.
 
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