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WAN - Unusual Lag on Xbox?

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September 26, 2012 1:26:09 PM

Hello! And thank you in advance for any and all help.

My girlfriend recently got an upgraded internet service, which is a lot faster than mine. Here are our comparing stats right off the bat...

[Mine:] Download - 1.37 MB/s; Upload - .31 Mb/s; Ping - 67 ms
[Hers:] Download - 18.58 MB/s; Upload - 4.83 MB/s; Ping - 20 ms

Long story short though, we have isolated through many tests between our friends and ourselves that SHE is lagging when playing Xbox, while the rest of us, no matter our internet speeds, are not lagging. I've been digging and digging trying to figure out why this is - And I stumbled onto this topic.

The person claims that changing the DNS server fixed his problem (to level 3 I believe). Is there any merit to this? And if so, how would I go about doing this?

My girlfriend has an Arris TG862G router, if that helps.

Thank you again in advance, and if there are any other suggestions and questions, I'd be glad to know! Thank you!

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September 26, 2012 2:13:14 PM

Think about what a DNS server does and then ask yourself why someone is telling you a bunch of crap. Its not like you data flows though a DNS server.

Once a game gets running it just transfer back and forth between the xbox and the game server. Any lag is either caused by the network or the devices on the end.

You also have to be suspect of any network thoughput ratings. That just tells you the numbers to the test server it no way implies you will get that to the game server. Try different test servers and you will get different numbers just as you will to different game servers.

The only way to solve this issue is to examine traceroute and see if you can find a point that is causing the issue. The only things you can actually fix though are the equipment at your location and you can complain about the connection to the house with your ISP. Very little you can do if you find a problem say between level 3 and ATT at some peering point in some remote city.

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September 26, 2012 5:18:40 PM

I'm sorry for a very newbie question, but how can I trace my ping/ tracepoint with an xbox?
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September 26, 2012 11:58:36 PM

Okay! Long story short, and very sorry to double post, but I shall leave this for future generations who may have the same question.

1. Basically, went to her router and COMPLETELY reset anything that had to do with wireless. (Wireless Module, Wireless Router, and WiFi settings themselves. Everything but factory reset). This generated some automated WiFi network called "Home-XXX" (XXX's are random numbers/letters) with default WPA2-PSK passcode. Did not change the passcode, simply wrote it down and helped transfer it to all of her devices. Once xbox was connected, I went to step 2.

2. Went to her Firewall settings and changed the security type to CUSTOM. Pick and choose your options, it's up to you and how comfortable you are leaving stuff in/out.

3. Gave her XBOX a Static IP. Xfinity is incredibly nice enough to let you have this option once a device is connected (Xbox had to be on and connected for this step). Long story short, Xbox is now static ip #4.

4. Once your xbox has a static IP, open all of the ports Xbox needs. All of them. Just in case, they may not be all needed, but I can't argue with the results I'm seeing, and I don't feel like going through and finding which ones to throw away. You can find said ports here. Open 'em up, and make sure they follow the proper protocol (UPD, TCP, or both).

5. This may not be an option for everyone, but I did this for her xfinity. The xbox was defaulty set to NOT be trusted by her internet/ISP. So, long story short, just hit the "Yes, trust," button under the parental controls.

Now whether it was all of these steps together or just some of them, I don't know. Be safe and try them all one-by-one. Her lag is now 90 - 99% gone, with 2 second stutters in Borderlands now reduced to sporadic and rare choppy walking animations. Which she and I can both live with. Things got shot at properly, and things explode. We're happy.

Thank you all who read and helped! Once again, I hope this answer can help anyone else having this problem.
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January 29, 2014 5:24:57 PM

I wanted to post here to give my in sight (and shacoa, you have some good information there, but unfortunately the issue is not even related to anything you mentioned).

I've had my Arris TG862 for nearly a year now. Ever since the did the firmware update last year I noticed my wifi stability went downhill drastically. The overall throughput went up, but the reliability went down. It got good for a while, then I noticed at random points my internet would quit responding (I'd be browsing the web, click another link and no response). For a while I thought well maybe it's the internet crapping out because usually the next day it would be cleared up, and would stay clear for a few days before coming back. Sometimes it would even stay tolerable for a few weeks.

I noticed my pings in games like Battlefield 3 would fluctuate (between 50-500ms or so) and I also noticed my download rates would fluctuate massively (looking at network monitor in Windows 8 task manager one second I'd be pumping out 30Mbps while downloading from Steam, the next second it would drop down to 4Mbps, then shoot back up, pretty much every other update tick). I moved my computer closer to the router and thought that possibly fixed it, but it would always come back.

Then recently it had just gotten extremely bad. So bad I can't even play Forza 5 half the time because I constantly see "Weak Network Connection" at the bottom of the screen, and the game speeds up and slows down due to network spikes. So after tweaking pretty much everything, doing hard resets, changing channels, I decide to take it a step further. I decided to see what kind of reliability I'm getting from my device (in this case my computer) to my gateway (in this case my Arris TG862) and I notice right off the bat from my computer to my gateway I'm getting a 5ms ping one tick, then the next tick 500ms, then back down to 10ms, then back up to 1500ms, even at times as high as 3000-4000ms, so I was immediately able to determine it has nothing to do with my devices (computer, cell phone, Xbox, etc), nothing to do with the internet itself, and it all is in the quality of the wifi signal from the gateway itself.

shacoa has some great advice, and these are things a lot of networkers do. They set each device to a static IP, set ports for each individual device to make absolute sure the exact ports you need are open, and it gives you piece of mind because you know exactly what ports are open for each LAN IP address. If you have ports open you need closed it can degrade your internet speed. Unfortunately, that's not the problem most people are having because with today's routers generally ports aren't a problem as most routers made within the last several years have a technology called uPNP which eliminates any need to open ports. The only exception is when you are working with older tech such as setting up a server for let's say Killing Floor. It understands and knows what ports things like Xbox Live and even torrent clients use, long as you have uPNP enabled.

So, what everyone needs to do is open command prompt (with Windows Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 8 just search for "cmd" and press enter - it should find command prompt). Then once command prompt open type "ipconfig" to see what the IP address is to your gateway. Look for a line that says "Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :". It will be listed under your main adapter. You will see things that have "tunnel adapter" in the name. Ignore those. You should see something that is listed as "Wireless LAN adapter Wi-Fi" and under that you will see the default gateway address. Write this address down. This is your router or gateway IP address. Now, in your command prompt, type "ping gateway IP -t", so in my case my gateway is 10.0.0.1, so I would type "ping 10.0.0.1 -t" and what this will do is ping your gateway indefinitely, once per second. If your ping times are fluctuating, ultimately you have a problem with the quality of your wifi signal, and nothing you do ultimately will make things better until you get a consistent link between your computer/device and your router. By fluctuating I mean one tick is 10ms, the next tick is 200ms, then maybe a few ticks at 5ms, then a tick at 1200ms. There ultimately should be very little or no fluctuation here, as you are only going from your computer to your router or gateway. Generally you should only have a fluctuation of 1-2ms, and your latency should generally be no higher than 10ms at any given time with wifi, no higher than 1ms with wired. However, you generally don't have to worry about this with a wired link. This almost exclusively applies only to people with wifi links. The purpose of this is to identify if the problem is in your internet or in your wifi link. At this level, port settings don't matter. I see a lot of people mention opening ports, and that can be beneficial, but only once you find out the link between your computer and your router is stable and fast. Different security settings is more stable for certain devices. Sometimes there's simply nothing you can do but go hard wired or try a different router. Try different settings and see. Try to completely disable security, if it levels out then it could be the security settings. And make sure to let it run for a good 15-20 minutes before coming to a conclusion. Sometimes it will appear to be "fixed" then a few moments later it will sneak up on you again.

So to recap what you are ultimately doing is first establishing whether it's an internet or a wifi issue. If you determine it is an internet issue, proceed with what shacoa said, changing ports will yield different speeds if ports you need open are closed. If you determine it is a wifi issue, then what shacoa said (or anyone else) is not going to matter to you and you need to establish a consistent wifi link speed. Playing with security and wifi channels is the only thing that will help you, and bear in mind, in some environments it's simply impossible to get a stable wifi link.

I hope some people find this helpful in helping them track down their problems.
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