Getting track marks from DAT to CD

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Walter Harley wrote:
>
> is there some way to get the track markers that
> already exist on the DAT into the computer automatically, during
> the transfer process?

If you use an RME card, there's a pretty good chance it supports track markers in the the S/PDIF bitstream. AFAIK, only Wavelab and Samplitude/Sequoia currently support this feature on the software side.

<http://rme-audio.com/english/techinfo/tms.htm&gt; has a wealth of info.

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In article <sJmdnWjGW6SJ0tbcRVn-tA@speakeasy.net> walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com writes:

> I have a DAT which, I am told, contains meaningful track markings. The
> client wants it transferred to CD, preserving the track markings (but
> eliminating blank space at the beginning and end of the DAT).

You're probably referring to Program numbers.

> Normally, I just transfer the audio into the computer, and put in track
> markers by hand. But is there some way to get the track markers that
> already exist on the DAT into the computer automatically, during the
> transfer process?

The Zefiro sound card could do that (though I'm not sure exactly how)
but since that's now extinct it's not worth looking for one to do this
job.

Honestly, if you're conseientious about it, the best way to handle
this task is to just put the tape in your DAT player, advance to each
program number, jot down the time and take a note of the event that's
marked. You can even use your computer to do this. Then transfer the
DAT recording to your computer, and take out your notes from the tape.
Go to the time of each program number, locate the event that's marked,
and drop a CD track marker there. Since DAT prgram numbers are
inserted by pushing a button, chances are you can more accurately
determine what the original recordist intended to mark and mark it
right on.

Automatic isn't always best.

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"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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>
> In article <sJmdnWjGW6SJ0tbcRVn-tA@speakeasy.net>
> walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com writes:
>
> [...]
> The Zefiro sound card could do that (though I'm not sure exactly how)
> but since that's now extinct it's not worth looking for one to do this
> job.

Actually, I've got a Zefiro lying around, but I don't have a computer with
an OS that can use it any more... alas.


> Honestly, if you're conseientious about it, the best way to handle
> this task is to just put the tape in your DAT player, advance to each
> program number, jot down the time and take a note of the event that's
> marked. You can even use your computer to do this. Then transfer the
> DAT recording to your computer, and take out your notes from the tape.
> Go to the time of each program number, locate the event that's marked,
> and drop a CD track marker there. Since DAT prgram numbers are
> inserted by pushing a button, chances are you can more accurately
> determine what the original recordist intended to mark and mark it
> right on.
>
> Automatic isn't always best.

That's what I was afraid of. Oh well - not a big deal, just didn't want to
feel stupid for doing it the hard way if there was an easier way available.

Thanks!

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> But is there some way to get the track markers that
>already exist on the DAT into the computer automatically, during the
>transfer process?

When I transfer stuff from my Panasonic DAT's to my Marantz burners the track
markers transfer too, without me doing anything... in fact I'm not sure what to
do if I DON'T want them to xfer! So you may not have a problem at all. Have
you tried it yet?

-jeff

-jeff

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In article <Wdudnb8EGvcKANbcRVn-tQ@speakeasy.net> walterh@cafewalterNOSPAM.com writes:

> > Automatic isn't always best.
>
> That's what I was afraid of. Oh well - not a big deal, just didn't want to
> feel stupid for doing it the hard way if there was an easier way available.

Look a the positive side. You're doing it the BETTER way. <g>

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"Handywired" <handywired@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> But is there some way to get the track markers that
>>already exist on the DAT into the computer automatically, during the
>>transfer process?
>
> When I transfer stuff from my Panasonic DAT's to my Marantz burners the
> track
> markers transfer too, without me doing anything... in fact I'm not sure
> what to
> do if I DON'T want them to xfer! So you may not have a problem at all.
> Have
> you tried it yet?


You're going straight from a DAT deck to a standalone CD burner. I'm going
from a DAT into a sound card in a computer, into software, and thence to a
CD-R drive in the computer.

I did consider taking this project to one of my job sites where they've got
a DAT and a standalone CD burner. But some of the track markers turn out to
need some editing, and I'm not sure how I'd do that on the CD burner - not
saying it's impossible, but I just don't know the hardware well enough.

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Handywired wrote:

> When I transfer stuff from my Panasonic DAT's to my Marantz burners the track
> markers transfer too, without me doing anything.

Same with my HHB.

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ha

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hank alrich <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote:
>Handywired wrote:
>
>> When I transfer stuff from my Panasonic DAT's to my Marantz burners the track
>> markers transfer too, without me doing anything.
>
>Same with my HHB.

IF you have the switches in the Panasonic set to produce consumer subcode.
If you set them to produce professional AES/EBU-style subcode, it will not
transfer Start-ID at all.
--scott
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> Same with my HHB.

The transfer don't work from a Sony DAT to the Tascam CDRW-700 and
it's a real problem...

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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> hank alrich wrote:
> >Handywired wrote:
> >
> >> When I transfer stuff from my Panasonic DAT's to my Marantz burners the
> >> track markers transfer too, without me doing anything.
> >
> >Same with my HHB.
>
> IF you have the switches in the Panasonic set to produce consumer subcode.
> If you set them to produce professional AES/EBU-style subcode, it will not
> transfer Start-ID at all

Agreed.

--
ha