8 micpre... which ones?

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"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message
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>I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
> I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc...
> but not so expensive as the expensive ones (you know what I'm saying,
> aren't you?)
>
> Any advices or ideas?
> How's the now Mackie Onyx? RME Octopre? Is the TFPro still in the market
> with its 16 channels?
>
> Please help me sealing this sea of micpres....!
>
> Thank you
> Max
>
>
>
> -Caos is the order we do not undestand-


There is no easy answer to your question. Check out the specs for all of the
possibilities and then cross reference them with your needs. Your needs
meaning what will you primarily be using the equipment for. I say this
because you didn't indicate what you will be usuing this for. Is it just to
record yourself? Bands? What kind of music will these bands play? Etc.

The answer might be to get one 8 micpre combination when getting basic
tracks done, then buying a channel strip with only one pre of better quality
for overdubs.


--

-Hev
find me here:
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"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message news:<ZNz6d.21294$B06.12764@news.edisontel.com>...

Check out the True Systems Precision 8. It has all the features you
are looking for except the high pass (low cut) filters. Nice sounding
unit, very quiet, reasonable price. I don't know if they have
distribution in Italy, but you could probably get one shipped from a
US mail order dealer like Sweetwater Sound.

Best of luck,

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

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In article <Joy6d.21258$B06.15070@news.edisontel.com> maxy888@tiscali.it writes:

> I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
> I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but
> not so expensive as the expensive ones (you know what I'm saying, aren't
> you?)

Well, you see, that's the way things go.

Frankly, I find it very worth while to have a mixer with me when I'm
doing remote recording. How else are you going to know what the
recording sounds like when you're in the position to do something if
if a mic is in the wrong position, a cable has a conductor or shield
broken and you're recording buzz instead of (or in addition to) what
you expected?

There really is no one recommended unit. Surprisingly, the new
Behringer 8-channel preamp with the ADAT Lightpipe output has had some
favorable reports, probably as good as the mixers you're now using.

You obviously need something with either an analog or ADAT Lightpipe
output to go with your recording setup, so you can ignore the crop of
firewire-only preamps. Nobydy's heard an Onyx stand-alone preamp yet.
There are some of the mixers out there now but nobody's jumping up and
down about how fabulous the preamps are (like they did when the first
Mackies came out).

I'd go for size and weight with the right kind of outputs to match
what you want to use it with, borrow one (or buy it from a dealer who
will let you return it) and see if it sounds at least as good or
better than what you have now. My standard advice when trying to make
a decision among a sea of very similar-appearing devices is that if
you don't do anything until you're sure you're buying what everyone
thinks is the best, you'll never make a decision. Better to get some
work done.



>
> Any advices or ideas?
> How's the now Mackie Onyx? RME Octopre? Is the TFPro still in the market
> with its 16 channels?
>
> Please help me sealing this sea of micpres....!
>
> Thank you
> Max
>
>
>
> -Caos is the order we do not undestand-
>
>

--
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"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message
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> I'll explain the situation:
> I am trying to bypass studios. I live in Italy and I'm recording bands
> (acoustic, rock, jazz) in many italian wonderful theatres (small ones, 250
> seats). For recording I'm now using Mackie HDR and Protools LE (both M-box
> and Digi001). I already have 2 good 2-channels micpres and I would like to
> have 8-16 channels of micpre easy to carry around more then the Soundcraft
> B-400 and Soundcraft Delta and Makie mixers that I am using now only for
> micpre.
> Microphones I use are: Shure sm7, Oktava 012, Oktava ML52, Oktava 2500,
> Beyerdynamic opus 87, Beyerdynamic M88, Coles ribbon, 421, sm57, sm58,
D12,
> akg414 and many others...
> I would need gain to record quiet strings intruments and pad to record
> drums. Phase reverse and lowpass is appriceated (did I write it right?).
One
> important thing I need is +48v shich on every channel to use my ribbon
mics.
> Thanks again
> Max


Sounds like the Mackie onyx might be the way to go, but I haven't read
anything about the mic pre's sound quality.

Good luck

--
-Hev
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> I am trying to bypass studios. I live in Italy and I'm recording bands
>> (acoustic, rock, jazz) in many italian wonderful theatres (small ones, 250
>> seats). For recording I'm now using Mackie HDR and Protools LE (both M-box
>> and Digi001). I already have 2 good 2-channels micpres and I would like to
>> have 8-16 channels of micpre easy to carry around more then the Soundcraft
>> B-400 and Soundcraft Delta and Makie mixers that I am using now only for
>> micpre.

How are you monitoring? Some are using a Crest XR20 for recording live Jazz and
such.



John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

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Doesn't Grace make an 8-channel pre... or is that way out of his
budget?

Al

On 29 Sep 2004 11:48:41 -0700, karlwinkler66@yahoo.com (Karl Winkler)
wrote:

>"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message news:<ZNz6d.21294$B06.12764@news.edisontel.com>...
>
>Check out the True Systems Precision 8. It has all the features you
>are looking for except the high pass (low cut) filters. Nice sounding
>unit, very quiet, reasonable price. I don't know if they have
>distribution in Italy, but you could probably get one shipped from a
>US mail order dealer like Sweetwater Sound.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Karl Winkler
>Lectrosonics, Inc.
>http://www.lectrosonics.com

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Hi Max,

A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.

Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their M80
eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix bus
and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my book.
I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in sound
and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel of
MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.

Best of luck!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message
news:Joy6d.21258$B06.15070@news.edisontel.com...
> I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
> I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc...
but
> not so expensive as the expensive ones (you know what I'm saying, aren't
> you?)
>
> Any advices or ideas?
> How's the now Mackie Onyx? RME Octopre? Is the TFPro still in the market
> with its 16 channels?
>
> Please help me sealing this sea of micpres....!
>
> Thank you
> Max
>
>
>
> -Caos is the order we do not undestand-
>
>

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Mike Rivers wrote:
>
> Frankly, I find it very worth while to have a mixer with me when I'm
> doing remote recording. How else are you going to know what the
> recording sounds like when you're in the position to do something if
> if a mic is in the wrong position, a cable has a conductor or shield
> broken and you're recording buzz instead of (or in addition to) what
> you expected?

In that case he might want to consider autioning a Mackie Onyx 1620 (8 preamps for less than the 800R plus a free mixer in every box!)



> You obviously need something with either an analog or ADAT Lightpipe
> output to go with your recording setup, so you can ignore the crop of
> firewire-only preamps.

But he might not want to ignore the RME OctaMic D <http://rme-audio.com/english/micpreamps/octamic.htm&gt;

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In article <82150ded.0409291048.11de4777@posting.google.com>, Karl
Winkler <karlwinkler66@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Karl Winkler
> Lectrosonics, Inc.
> http://www.lectrosonics.com



Karl,

No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com

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In article <cilml0970b5scvpn0o2e31f3s0a32oc87b@4ax.com> playonATcomcast.net writes:

> Doesn't Grace make an 8-channel pre... or is that way out of his
> budget?

We don't know what his budget is, but I'd guess that's a "yes."


--
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david <ihate@spamo.com> wrote in message news:<290920042319212077%ihate@spamo.com>...
> In article <82150ded.0409291048.11de4777@posting.google.com>, Karl
> Winkler <karlwinkler66@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Karl Winkler
> > Lectrosonics, Inc.
> > http://www.lectrosonics.com
>
>
>
> Karl,
>
> No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.
>
>
David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
I have a lot of family...

Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
show closes.

-Karl

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In article <10lmvngs6jt6q32@corp.supernews.com>,
"John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.
>
> Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their M80
> eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
> with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix bus
> and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my book.
> I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
> they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in sound
> and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel of
> MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>

The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

-Jay
--
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x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

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In article <2s20rvF1g5e2tU1@uni-berlin.de> kurt@nv.net writes:

> In that case he might want to consider autioning a Mackie Onyx 1620 (8 preamps
> for less than the 800R plus a free mixer in every box!)

Good suggestion, but he already has mixers. I'm trying to talk him
into continuing to use them (with outboard preamps if he insists).

> But he might not want to ignore the RME OctaMic D

Or even the non-digital version. How much does it typically sell for?
As I recall, they also have a similar 4-channel preamp. Do they also
have a 2-channel version, that might make a good front end for the
Jukebox?

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am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

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In article <20040930074050.21100.00001356@mb-m07.aol.com> kevinhalpin57@aol.com writes:

> am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

Not if they're powered ribbon mics like a series of Royers.

It's a bad thing for any mic if cables or miswired or shorted, and
hot-connecting or disconnecting of mics with phantom power applied can
be detremental to some consoles or preamps.

Is having your house wired for electrical power a bad thing for
the residents? Only when they're not careful with it.

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In article <20040930074050.21100.00001356@mb-m07.aol.com>,
kevinhalpin57@aol.com (KevinHalpin57) writes:

>am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

Most modern ribbons are ok with it.
Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

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Maxy wrote:
>
> I'll explain the situation:
> I am trying to bypass studios. I live in Italy and I'm recording bands
> (acoustic, rock, jazz) in many italian wonderful theatres (small ones, 250
> seats). For recording I'm now using Mackie HDR and Protools LE (both M-box
> and Digi001). I already have 2 good 2-channels micpres and I would like to
> have 8-16 channels of micpre easy to carry around more then the Soundcraft
> B-400 and Soundcraft Delta and Makie mixers that I am using now only for
> micpre.
> Microphones I use are: Shure sm7, Oktava 012, Oktava ML52, Oktava 2500,
> Beyerdynamic opus 87, Beyerdynamic M88, Coles ribbon, 421, sm57, sm58, D12,
> akg414 and many others...
> I would need gain to record quiet strings intruments and pad to record
> drums. Phase reverse and lowpass is appriceated (did I write it right?). One
> important thing I need is +48v shich on every channel to use my ribbon mics.
> Thanks again
> Max


Have you looked at the Audient box?

Cheers.

James.

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Yes, it is. That's why I'd like to have it "per channel" (like grace design)
rather than "per 8 channels" (like behringer). So I can swich it off!!



"KevinHalpin57" <kevinhalpin57@aol.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:20040930074050.21100.00001356@mb-m07.aol.com...
> am i mistaken, or is phantom power a bad thing for ribbon mics?

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I'd like to swich to a 24channels monitor mixer used like this:

mic - micpre - recorder - monitor mixer - dat (or similar)

I'm thinking about a mixer with 8-12 aux sends (old Yamaha?), so I can
easily feed headphones, IEM or usual monitors during tracking. And I can
monitor each track fast. Then I mix to dat to have rough mixes right away...
(maybe a laptop Mac, so I could burn CDs too!)
I think this is one of the most "portable" configurations.
I didn't like the idea of using a studio mixer because of the price and
weight good studio mixers have. (Makie 8bus for example is not-so-small, do
not have phase reverse, no pad and only 4 aux sends.... beside that I
wouldn't call it a studio mixer).

Difficult choice.... as usual....
Thank you all!
Max


"Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:znr1096541583k@trad...
>
> In article <2s20rvF1g5e2tU1@uni-berlin.de> kurt@nv.net writes:
>
>> In that case he might want to consider autioning a Mackie Onyx 1620 (8
>> preamps
>> for less than the 800R plus a free mixer in every box!)
>
> Good suggestion, but he already has mixers. I'm trying to talk him
> into continuing to use them (with outboard preamps if he insists).
>
>> But he might not want to ignore the RME OctaMic D
>
> Or even the non-digital version. How much does it typically sell for?
> As I recall, they also have a similar 4-channel preamp. Do they also
> have a 2-channel version, that might make a good front end for the
> Jukebox?
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers (mrivers@d-and-d.com)
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

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mrivers@d-and-d.com (Mike Rivers) writes:

>In article <cilml0970b5scvpn0o2e31f3s0a32oc87b@4ax.com> playonATcomcast.net writes:

>> Doesn't Grace make an 8-channel pre... or is that way out of his
>> budget?

>We don't know what his budget is, but I'd guess that's a "yes."

Grace 801 (approx $4K) and the 801R (can be controlled remotely -- add
another $1K or so).

I've got the 2 chan version (201) and like it a lot -- it seems better
than "wire with gain", it's more like "air with gain" <g>. Am looking for
the 801 if I can find the right deal (and saw off an arm).

Frank

--
.

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"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:jay-03C48C.07472230092004@news.stanford.edu...
> In article <10lmvngs6jt6q32@corp.supernews.com>,
> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Max,
> >
> > A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.
> >
> > Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
M80
> > eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
> > with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
bus
> > and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
book.
> > I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
> > they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
sound
> > and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
of
> > MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.
> >
> > Best of luck!
> >
> > John L Rice
> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
> >
>
> The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
problems
> with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
replaced.
> Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.
>
> -Jay
> --
> x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
> x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
> x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
> x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

Hi Jay, how have you been?

That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

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In article <zlT6d.21517$B06.14537@news.edisontel.com> maxy888@tiscali.it writes:

> I'd like to swich to a 24channels monitor mixer used like this:
> mic - micpre - recorder - monitor mixer - dat (or similar)
>
> I'm thinking about a mixer with 8-12 aux sends (old Yamaha?), so I can
> easily feed headphones, IEM or usual monitors during tracking. And I can
> monitor each track fast. Then I mix to dat to have rough mixes right away...
> (maybe a laptop Mac, so I could burn CDs too!)
> I think this is one of the most "portable" configurations.

That's sensible, but to improve portability and reliability I'd pass
on the outboard preamps and look for a mixer with decent preamps.
Crest, Soundcraft and Midas (Venice) come to mind. Most mixers in the
size you're looking at include a few "line only" inputs in their
channel count, so you could get a few top shelf mic preamps for those
channels and use what's in the mixer for the utility stuff.


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In article <82150ded.0409300610.760ff229@posting.google.com>, Karl
Winkler <karlwinkler66@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.
> >
> >
> David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
> August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
> getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
> I have a lot of family...
>
> Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
> loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
> show closes.
>
> -Karl



Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
something going on there for you to be involved with them.




David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island

CelebrationSound@aol.com
www.CelebrationSound.com

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<< I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
for one am not familiar with the company or its products. >>

Wireless.



Scott Fraser

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In article <10lpcus8avis523@corp.supernews.com>,
"John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:

> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
> news:jay-03C48C.07472230092004@news.stanford.edu...
> > In article <10lmvngs6jt6q32@corp.supernews.com>,
> > "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Max,
> > >
> > > A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.
> > >
> > > Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used their
> M80
> > > eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding pres
> > > with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo mix
> bus
> > > and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
> book.
> > > I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I think
> > > they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
> sound
> > > and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one channel
> of
> > > MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.
> > >
> > > Best of luck!
> > >
> > > John L Rice
> > > Drummer@ImJohn.com
> > >
> >
> > The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
> problems
> > with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
> replaced.
> > Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.
> >
> > -Jay
>
> Hi Jay, how have you been?
>
> That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine since
> Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
> occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium to
> heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work yourself
> or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>

The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty. Lately
I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording. We use
the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it isn't
always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use. For
the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for 15
years or so.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
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"Maxy" <maxy888@tiscali.it> wrote in message news:<Joy6d.21258$B06.15070@news.edisontel.com>...
> I am looking foward to buy an 8 channels micpre.
> I would like something better than the usual Presonus, Behringer, etc... but


Sounds like a Focusrite Octopre with the ADAT card option might be
more in your price range. You can engage limiters on every channel if
you need to and it sounds pretty neutral. This unit worked very well
for me with a Mackie SDR HD recorder I used to have.

Kelly Dueck

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In article <011020040044556578%ihate@spamo.com> ihate@spamo.com writes:

> Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
> last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.

Wow! Is he still around?

As for Karl, it's kind of nice to have someone around here who really
knows the Neumann and Sennheiser products and can now talk about them
without someone firing off a slavo about being a sales weasel.

> I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
> for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
> something going on there for you to be involved with them.

As Karl was with microphones, I'm sure that when there's a specific
question about a Lectrosonics product (they make wireless mic
transmitters and receivers) he'll jump in and provide the information
without a sales pitch, as he has always done with his former company.


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david <ihate@spamo.com> wrote in message news:<011020040044556578%ihate@spamo.com>...
> In article <82150ded.0409300610.760ff229@posting.google.com>, Karl
> Winkler <karlwinkler66@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > No longer with Neumann?? If so, that is their loss.
> > >
> > >
> > David, thanks for the kind words. I started with Lectrosonics in
> > August, and I'm having a blast. This is a cool company, and I'm
> > getting into some interesting projects. And it's in New Mexico, where
> > I have a lot of family...
> >
> > Going to AES? I hope to see you there and it looks like we may have a
> > loosely organized "scotch-related event" on Thursday evening after the
> > show closes.
> >
> > -Karl
>
>
>
> Thanks, but no west coast trip for me this year. I spent a good part of
> last week with Buddy Cage, which is sorta like going to San Francisco.
>
> I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
> for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
> something going on there for you to be involved with them.
>
Lots of cool stuff going on here, actually. Here's what we do in a
nutshell:

1. Wireless audio systems, including handheld, bodypack and plug-on
transmitters. We have the only waterproof transmitter on the market.
We have a patent-applied-for "Digital Hybrid" transmission that uses
analog UHF FM carrier but a DSP-based digital encoding scheme to
remove the analog compander. Neat stuff. We're primarily in the film &
broadcast markets with this equipment.
2. Digital matrix boxes (16x24, for instance) and installation
equipment such as multi-channel amplifiers, etc. Our LecNet software
is compatible with Crestron controllers.
3. Portable, single-unit battery-powered PA used by marching band
directors and auctioneers. This is the closest thing to what we
started out building in 1971: lecterns.

We'll have some new stuff at AES for attendees to check out... I'm
looking forward to seeing everyone there (sorry you can't make it,
David!)

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

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david wrote:

> I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
> for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must be
> something going on there for you to be involved with them.

Seconded. My curiousity piqued when I saw Karl had joined Lectrosonics.

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ha

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"david" <ihate@spamo.com> wrote in message
news:011020040044556578%ihate@spamo.com...
>
> I don't think anyone would mind if you told us about Lectrosonics. I
> for one am not familiar with the company or its products. There must
be
> something going on there for you to be involved with them.


There is: wireless mics that work better than they have any business
doing. Better than they should. Better than you expect them to.
Wireless IFBs too. Probably other stuff as well, but who cares when
their mics are so cool? <g>

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- Lorin David Schultz
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making even bad news sound good

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What about Yamaha MLA8?



"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:jay-9FFE23.07354101102004@news.stanford.edu...
> In article <10lpcus8avis523@corp.supernews.com>,
> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:
>
>> "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
>> news:jay-03C48C.07472230092004@news.stanford.edu...
>> > In article <10lmvngs6jt6q32@corp.supernews.com>,
>> > "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Max,
>> > >
>> > > A dollar amount for your budget would be really helpful.
>> > >
>> > > Have you had a bad experience using PreSonus stuff or? I've used
>> > > their
>> M80
>> > > eight channel for years and I'm very happy with it, 8 good sounding
>> > > pres
>> > > with inserts on each channel in a nice compact package with a stereo
>> > > mix
>> bus
>> > > and a good headphone amp for under $2000 new. It's a solid deal in my
>> book.
>> > > I also have John Hardy M-1 and Martech MSS-10 mic pres and while I
>> > > think
>> > > they are both truly great pieces of recording gear, and superior in
>> sound
>> > > and design to the M-80, a deluxe rack of two M-1 channels or one
>> > > channel
>> of
>> > > MSS-10 will cost you as much or more than an 8 channel PreSonus M-80.
>> > >
>> > > Best of luck!
>> > >
>> > > John L Rice
>> > > Drummer@ImJohn.com
>> > >
>> >
>> > The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
>> problems
>> > with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be
>> replaced.
>> > Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.
>> >
>> > -Jay
>>
>> Hi Jay, how have you been?
>>
>> That's the first I've heard about M-80 pots going bad. I've had mine
>> since
>> Jan 2000 or so and haven't noticed a problem but I've only used mine
>> occasionally to record myself so the pots on mine haven't see any medium
>> to
>> heavy use as I'm sure yours have. Did you do the replacement work
>> yourself
>> or did you sent it to PreSonus or an independent shop?
>>
>> John L Rice
>> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>>
>
> The first one was replaced by Presonus as it was still under warranty.
> Lately
> I've been using DeOxit and avoiding making gain changes while recording.
> We use
> the M-80 mainly to expand the 12 mic preamps on the Mackie D8B, so it
> isn't
> always in heavy use. We also got a UA 2-610 that's getting a lot of use.
> For
> the most critical stuff, we still use the custom IMS preamp we've had for
> 15
> years or so.
>
> -Jay
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In article <jay-03C48C.07472230092004@news.stanford.edu>,
jay@ccrma.stanford.edu says...

> The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of problems
> with the pots going scratchy. One failed completely and had to be replaced.
> Maybe they've addressed this since we bought ours several years ago.

Just get some WD40 and phil them up.

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/ Peter Kaersaa

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In article <jay-03C48C.07472230092004@news.stanford.edu>, Jay Kadis
<jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> writes:

>
>The M-80 is a decent sounding, flexible preamp, but we've had lots of
>problems
>with the pots going scratchy.

Same thing on the MP20.

Garth~


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