Free adventure........Divided.

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"B.C." <my@email.adres.is.invalid> wrote in news:422e2214$0$15167$dbd45001
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> It was difficult!!

You weren't joking -- this one has some real tough puzzles.

> It was fun!

So far,so good.

> It was myst/riven/zork nemesis like!

I'll have to finish it before commenting.

> Play it........enjoy it.

So far, so good :-)

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"B.C." <my@emailisinvalid> wrote in
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>
> "Murray Peterson" <mwp@home.com.invalid> schreef in bericht
> news:Xns9628BE4703384farkle@24.71.223.159...
>> "B.C." <my@email.adres.is.invalid> wrote in
>> news:422e2214$0$15167$dbd45001 @news.wanadoo.nl:
>>
>> You weren't joking -- this one has some real tough puzzles.
>> So far,so good.
>> I'll have to finish it before commenting.
>> So far, so good :-)
>
> Found the journal yet???? Took me two evenings AND reading the hints
> and tips.
>:-)

Not sure. There is the book sitting on the table in the room where you
first start the game -- that's the only one I have seen so far.


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"Mimi Underwood via GamesKB.com" <forum@GamesKB.com> schreef in bericht
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> IS THERE A WALKKTHROUGH FOR THIS GAME?

No as far as I know there isn't.
You can ask for help in the hint and tips section or just read the messages
there when you're stuck...........like I did.
Good luck
Barbara..............oh or ask Murray :-)

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B.C. wrote:
> It was difficult!!
> It was fun!
> It was myst/riven/zork nemesis like!
> Play it........enjoy it.
>
> http://www.jeroenstout.net/divided/index.htm
>
> Barbara
>
>

What is that Microsoft.net thing it wants you to download?

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I think that is to be on instant messenger. I don't use it.

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"Jenny100" <nospam@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
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> B.C. wrote:
>
> What is that Microsoft.net thing it wants you to download?

I just don't know Jenny100! I downloaded it and the game played well.
Once in a while I just do what I am told........not asking questions :-)

Barbara

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Rikard Peterson wrote:
> Jenny100 wrote in news2soqj0jeq@news1.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>What is that Microsoft.net thing it wants you to download?
>
>
> It's a new framework Microsoft has come up with. Their answer to your
> question can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/Net/Basics.aspx

Maybe it can, but I don't understand th Microsoftspeak on that page.
Why would the game need it?
It makes it sound like it's an online game.

> I suppose you could think of it as a competitor for Java.

Because MS was criticized for making their own version of
Java they came up with this instead?

> Rikard
>

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Jenny100 wrote:
>>> What is that Microsoft.net thing it wants you to download?
>>
>> It's a new framework Microsoft has come up with. Their answer to your
>> question can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/Net/Basics.aspx
>
> Maybe it can, but I don't understand th Microsoftspeak on that page.
> Why would the game need it?
> It makes it sound like it's an online game.

That page is a bit misleading. .NET is a software environment, similar to,
as Rikard said, the Java environment (/virtual machine). Another way to
look at it (if you really squint) is that it is to Windows what Windows 3.1
was to DOS. I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 generations down the line
..NET becomes Windows 2010, and current Windows progroms almost-run in a box
on top of it, might like DOS and old Windows 9x apps run in XP.

It might be apocryphal, but my understanding is that the ".NET" name was
floating around Microsoft PR offices before the technology that became .NET
even existed. It does have a lot of support in it for networking, but so
does every system these days. It can be used without any extra contortions
to produce and run regular desktop (non-network) applications.

> Because MS was criticized for making their own version of
> Java they came up with this instead?

Microsoft has claimed that the .NET technology was in development well
before that (IIRC, it was started internally at about the same Java was
started). That might be a bit of artistic license, but Microsoft is big
enough that it's probably true that somebody's there had a pet project
that was close enough to make the claim non-false :-). The Java episode
certainly seems to have pushed .NET into the forefront of Microsoft
strategy and development.

From the standpoint of somebody just getting this game to run, the .NET
framework is kinda like a bunch of DLLs that you get and install, like the
old Visual Basic and MFC runtime DLLs (vbrunX00.dll, mfc42.dll), or like
DirectX. .NET digs itself much deeper into your system than that and does
much more, but it only comes out to play when asked. Also, it's probably
safer to be running .NET programs than native Windows programs.

If you have a recent version of Windows (Server 2003, the latest XPs),
then .NET is probably already there, installed with Windows.
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Kitchener, Ontario, Canada [43.24N 80.29W]

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David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
> Jenny100 wrote:
>
>>>> What is that Microsoft.net thing it wants you to download?
>>>
>>>
>>> It's a new framework Microsoft has come up with. Their answer to your
>>> question can be found at: http://www.microsoft.com/Net/Basics.aspx
>>
>>
>> Maybe it can, but I don't understand th Microsoftspeak on that page.
>> Why would the game need it?
>> It makes it sound like it's an online game.
>
>
> That page is a bit misleading. .NET is a software environment, similar to,
> as Rikard said, the Java environment (/virtual machine). Another way to
> look at it (if you really squint) is that it is to Windows what Windows 3.1
> was to DOS. I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or 3 generations down the line
> .NET becomes Windows 2010, and current Windows progroms almost-run in a box
> on top of it, might like DOS and old Windows 9x apps run in XP.

Well that's interesting. It sure doesn't sound like anything
on that webpage.

> It might be apocryphal, but my understanding is that the ".NET" name was
> floating around Microsoft PR offices before the technology that became .NET
> even existed. It does have a lot of support in it for networking, but so
> does every system these days. It can be used without any extra contortions
> to produce and run regular desktop (non-network) applications.
>
>> Because MS was criticized for making their own version of
>> Java they came up with this instead?
>
>
> Microsoft has claimed that the .NET technology was in development well
> before that (IIRC, it was started internally at about the same Java was
> started). That might be a bit of artistic license, but Microsoft is big
> enough that it's probably true that somebody's there had a pet project
> that was close enough to make the claim non-false :-). The Java episode
> certainly seems to have pushed .NET into the forefront of Microsoft
> strategy and development.

Hmmm...
Microsoft sneaky.


> From the standpoint of somebody just getting this game to run, the .NET
> framework is kinda like a bunch of DLLs that you get and install, like the
> old Visual Basic and MFC runtime DLLs (vbrunX00.dll, mfc42.dll), or like
> DirectX. .NET digs itself much deeper into your system than that and does
> much more, but it only comes out to play when asked. Also, it's probably
> safer to be running .NET programs than native Windows programs.

Safer how?
If it's digging deeper into the system, isn't it more likely
to cause problems? What would a virus written in .NET do?

> If you have a recent version of Windows (Server 2003, the latest XPs),
> then .NET is probably already there, installed with Windows.

No I don't have those.
Thanks for the explanation.

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Rikard Peterson wrote:
> Jenny100 wrote in news31ftc01qbd@news2.newsguy.com:
>
>
>>Rikard Peterson wrote:
>
>
>>>It's a new framework Microsoft has come up with. Their answer to
>>>your question can be found at:
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/Net/Basics.aspx
>>
>>Maybe it can, but I don't understand the Microsoftspeak on
>>that page.
>
>
> Neither do I, but there it is.


Oh well. That's Microsoft for you.
They manage to make even the simplest concepts difficult,
so it's no wonder I get boggled on the tough ones.


>>Why would the game need it?
>>It makes it sound like it's an online game.
>
>
> The game is probably developed with the latest tools from Microsoft,
> which cause it to need that framework to run. (Hopefully, someone who
> can explain this better than me will step forward. I can only teach
> music, not computer system details that I only almost understand
> myself.)


Thanks for trying.


>>>I suppose you could think of it as a competitor for Java.
>>
>>Because MS was criticized for making their own version of
>>Java they came up with this instead?
>
>
> Or beacuse they want something they can control. Or beacuse they
> thought they could create something better. Or all of the above.


Sounds insidious.


> Rikard
>

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"Murray Peterson" <mwp@home.com.invalid> schreef in bericht
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> Rikard Peterson <trumgottist@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> news:Xns9630E671AA15Btrumgottistbigfootco@127.0.0.1:
>
> > The game is probably developed with the latest tools from Microsoft,
> > which cause it to need that framework to run. (Hopefully, someone who
> > can explain this better than me will step forward. I can only teach
> > music, not computer system details that I only almost understand
> > myself.)
>
> I'll try, but it's pretty arcane stuff for people not familiar with
> computer programming.
>
> The .NET CLR (Common Language Runtime) implements what is known as a
> "virtual machine" -- it is a computer implemented completely in software.
>
> All applications written in a .NET language have their code compiled down
> to the assembly language for the .NET instruction set, which is then
> executed by the CLR on a real machine of your choice (including Unix
> platforms). If you want to go back in time, you can think of it much like
> a basic interpreter, where the basic source code was compiled down to
pcode
> instructions, and the basic's runtime package would execute thoe pcode
> instructions intead of native Intel instructions.
>
> That's why you must install the .NET framework for this game; it was
> written in a .NET language and requires the .NET virtual machine in order
> to run it.
>
> --
> Murray Peterson
> Email: murray.spamtrap2@shaw.ca
> URL: http://members.shaw.ca/murraypeterson/

Crisp and clear! Thanks Murray.

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Rikard Peterson <trumgottist@bigfoot.com> wrote in
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> Jenny100 wrote in news32d2u0hvh@news3.newsguy.com:
>
>> Murray Peterson wrote:
>
>>> The .NET CLR (Common Language Runtime) implements what is known
>>> as a "virtual machine" -- it is a computer implemented completely
>>> in software.
>
> Aha! Then it was as I thought (but wasn't sure of). You also explained
> it much better than I ever could have done.
>
>> Sort of like DOSBox or ScummVM is a virtual machine?
>
> Yes!

Exactly like ScummVM and DOSBox -- only the machine is a different one,
with a different "native" instruction set.

>> But you can't install .NET on a Unix computer, can you?
>> Isn't it only for Microsoft Windows systems?
>
> Unless I'm misinformed, you're right, but there is Mono
> http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
> http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0 [...] 6A00107C19

Mono is the .NET machine implemented to run on a Unix platform.
Eventually (soon?), you should be able to run a .NET application (such as
Divided) under the Mono implementaton. They can't call it ".NET"
(copyright), but the virtual machine itself is the same.

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Jenny100 wrote:
>> The .NET CLR (Common Language Runtime) implements what is known as a
>> "virtual machine" -- it is a computer implemented completely in
>> software.
>
>
> Sort of like DOSBox or ScummVM is a virtual machine?

Yes, especially DOSBox. You can also find emulators for various old machines
that run on Windows, such as Apple ][s, Commodore 64s, and PlayStations.

> Or like the DOS window in Win 2000 or XP?

No. That's not actually DOS, just a command interpreter that looks
(superficially) like the same one that was used in DOS. It's just
another way of talking to Windows. There's no actual DOS operating
system underneath it, which is why we need DOSBox.

> But you can't install .NET on a Unix computer, can you?
> Isn't it only for Microsoft Windows systems?

Non-Microsoft people are working on versions of .NET (Mono and dotGnu)
that will run on Unix. I don't think either are complete, yet, but there's
enough done that you can run lots of .NET programs with them.
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Murray Peterson wrote:
> Rikard Peterson <trumgottist@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> news:Xns96318F945287trumgottistbigfootco@127.0.0.1:
>
>
>>Jenny100 wrote in news32d2u0hvh@news3.newsguy.com:
>>
>>
>>>Murray Peterson wrote:
>>
>>>>The .NET CLR (Common Language Runtime) implements what is known
>>>>as a "virtual machine" -- it is a computer implemented completely
>>>>in software.
>>
>>Aha! Then it was as I thought (but wasn't sure of). You also explained
>>it much better than I ever could have done.
>>
>>
>>>Sort of like DOSBox or ScummVM is a virtual machine?
>>
>>Yes!
>
>
> Exactly like ScummVM and DOSBox -- only the machine is a different one,
> with a different "native" instruction set.
>
>
>>>But you can't install .NET on a Unix computer, can you?
>>>Isn't it only for Microsoft Windows systems?
>>
>>Unless I'm misinformed, you're right, but there is Mono
>>http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
>>http://www.apcmag.com/apc/v3.nsf/0/22F356ECB65244E2CA256F6A00107C19
>
>
> Mono is the .NET machine implemented to run on a Unix platform.
> Eventually (soon?), you should be able to run a .NET application (such as
> Divided) under the Mono implementaton. They can't call it ".NET"
> (copyright), but the virtual machine itself is the same.
>

So eventually you should be able to run games like Divided without
using Windows? Will Mono be able to fake things like DirectX 9
and Windows Media Player 9?

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David Adrien Tanguay wrote:
> Jenny100 wrote:
>
>>> Also, it's probably
>>> safer to be running .NET programs than native Windows programs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Safer how?
>
>
> The .NET code is newer than the Windows native code, and written in an era
> when Microsoft have actually started thinking about security. So the .NET
> code is probably much better written than most Windows codes.

Would that matter, considering that Windows is running underneath it?
Or is it circumventing Windows somehow and maintaining autonomy?

> The programs that run on .NET are limited to doing what .NET lets them do,
> and .NET has good protections when running things, much better than native
> Windows programs. It can avoid the dangerous bits of Windows, or at least
> access them in safe ways.

What would a virus written in .NET be capable of?

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Jenny100 wrote:
>>> Or like the DOS window in Win 2000 or XP?
>>
>> No. That's not actually DOS, just a command interpreter that looks
>> (superficially) like the same one that was used in DOS.
>
> Isn't it just an emulated DOS, the way DOSBox is?

No, it's not DOS at all, it's Windows. It's no different from clicking an
icon, or whatever, to get a program running.

> But isn't DOSBox another way of talking to Windows?
> Or translating for it?

Depends on your perspective. For the program running, DOSBox looks like
an old 396 running DOS with a SoundBlaster and a VESA compliant graphics
card. So the program knows nothing about Windows, it thinks it's talking
to DOS. I.e., DOSBox emulates a DOS box, and is called an emulator.
(I think DOSBox runs on Linux, too.)
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Jenny100 <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in news:N0K5e.3240$lP1.1298
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> So eventually you should be able to run games like Divided without
> using Windows? Will Mono be able to fake things like DirectX 9
> and Windows Media Player 9?

Not yet, and perhaps never. Right now, Windows Media player runs on the
Windows machine, not as a .NET application. I have some doubts that this
would ever change. DirectX is an interface that allows fairly direct
access to your video/audio devices -- I don't think it is subsumed under
the .NET virtual machine.

So Divided is unlikely to be a candidate for running on Mono in the near
future.

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Email: murray.spamtrap2@shaw.ca
URL: http://members.shaw.ca/murraypeterson/

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OT but as an FYI - I have WinXP home ed. installed on this computer and
until I downloaded Microsoft.NET in order to play Divided, I did not have to
click on a username (I'm the only user on this computer) when loading XP.
But, as I eventually found out, installing MS.NET resulted in my having to
click on my username before XP would finish loading. Quite irritating.
Should anyone else run into this, here's a link to the fix
http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm

Lynne

"B.C." <my@email.adres.is.invalid> wrote in message
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> It was difficult!!
> It was fun!
> It was myst/riven/zork nemesis like!
> Play it........enjoy it.
>
> http://www.jeroenstout.net/divided/index.htm
>
> Barbara
>
>