Longest Journey 2

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I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
future limited to the secondary market. How sad.

 

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Here, Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
> pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going?

Game prices have already gone there. Adventure game prices lagged the
curve, but are catching up -- at least the high-marketed properties.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
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I'm still thinking about what to put in this space.

 

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Andrew Plotkin wrote:
> Here, Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
>>pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going?
>
>
> Game prices have already gone there. Adventure game prices lagged the
> curve, but are catching up -- at least the high-marketed properties.
>

TLJ was $40 when it first came out.
So was BS3.
So was Escape From Monkey Island.
I forget what Exile was - but I think $40 for the regular edition and
$60 for the Collector's Edition. That's when it first came out.

 

[vinCe]

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"Cassie" wrote

>I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
>pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
>future limited to the secondary market. How sad.

Be grateful you live in the US (I'm assuming).

The UK price will probably be $70, with little chance of any reduction after
a few months. Many other countries are even worse.

But in a way I'd welcome the removal of the second hand market (like a lot
of business software) - It doesn't help the developers.

(Obviously I'm not 'having a go' at you; We all buy second hand games).

 

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"Cassie" <castalides@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that
the
> pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
> future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>
It does come on 3 dual layer DVD's.

 

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Andrew Plotkin wrote in news:d0r2rr$7sm$2@reader1.panix.com:

> Here, Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
>> I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and
>> saw that the pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game
>> prices are going?
>
> Game prices have already gone there. Adventure game prices lagged
> the curve, but are catching up -- at least the high-marketed
> properties.

I remember I paid 500 SEK (about 60 USD) for Discworld back in 1995.
Here, prices has gone down since then. A new game generally costs less
than 400 SEK (I checked a site and saw almost only Star Wars games that
costed more). 400 SEK is about... (counts) 60 USD. Heh. The dollar is
cheaper now than it used to be.

Rikard

 

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Here, Vince <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Cassie" wrote
>
> >I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
> >pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
> >future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>
> Be grateful you live in the US (I'm assuming).
>
> The UK price will probably be $70, with little chance of any reduction after
> a few months. Many other countries are even worse.
>
> But in a way I'd welcome the removal of the second hand market (like a lot
> of business software) - It doesn't help the developers.

This is probably an argument I don't want to get into, but -- that's
nonsense. Without second-hand bookstores -- and libraries -- there
would be many fewer readers. Without second-hand game stores, there
would be many fewer gamers. Forbidding such things isn't helping the
developer, it's screwing over the audience. Screwed-over audiences
stay small and unprofitable.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
I'm still thinking about what to put in this space.

 

[vinCe]

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"Andrew Plotkin" wrote

> Vince wrote:

>> "Cassie" wrote

>> >I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that
>> >the
>> >pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see
>> >my
>> >future limited to the secondary market. How sad.

>> Be grateful you live in the US (I'm assuming).

>> The UK price will probably be $70, with little chance of any reduction
>> after
>> a few months. Many other countries are even worse.

>> But in a way I'd welcome the removal of the second hand market (like a
>> lot
>> of business software) - It doesn't help the developers.

> This is probably an argument I don't want to get into, but -- that's
> nonsense.
> Without second-hand bookstores -- and libraries -- there
> would be many fewer readers. Without second-hand game stores, there
> would be many fewer gamers. Forbidding such things isn't helping the
> developer, it's screwing over the audience. Screwed-over audiences
> stay small and unprofitable.

As far as the developers and publishers are concerned, whats's the
difference between me buying a game second hand and downloading it?

It's only your opinion that more people buy new games because they've played
second hand games. I would counter argue that less new games are sold
because people are spending their money on the cheaper ones.

 

[CK]

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>>> >I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that
>>> >the
>>> >pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see
>>> >my
>>> >future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>
>>> Be grateful you live in the US (I'm assuming).
>
>>> The UK price will probably be $70, with little chance of any reduction
>>> after
>>> a few months. Many other countries are even worse.
>
>>> But in a way I'd welcome the removal of the second hand market (like a
>>> lot
>>> of business software) - It doesn't help the developers.
>
>> This is probably an argument I don't want to get into, but -- that's
>> nonsense.
>> Without second-hand bookstores -- and libraries -- there
>> would be many fewer readers. Without second-hand game stores, there
>> would be many fewer gamers. Forbidding such things isn't helping the
>> developer, it's screwing over the audience. Screwed-over audiences
>> stay small and unprofitable.
>
> As far as the developers and publishers are concerned, whats's the
> difference between me buying a game second hand and downloading it?
>
The fact that there's a one-to-one map between games actually sold and
the maximum number of second-hand copies. You won't get an arbitrary
number of cheapskates using it without paying for it.

They've already been paid for the copy by the first person that bought
it, and if someone else buys it second-hand then that's another fan that
might buy any sequels or similar games that the developers might release
in the future, without any extra work, without any extra promotion, and
without having to pay (again) for shelf space. The customer does all the
work.

> It's only your opinion that more people buy new games because they've played
> second hand games. I would counter argue that less new games are sold
> because people are spending their money on the cheaper ones.
>
Then perhaps they ought to make their games cheaper?

CK

 

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"Cassie" <castalides@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:

>I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
>pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
>future limited to the secondary market. How sad.

If you ever bought and played Sierra's Time Zone in the early '80s, for
around $80 you'd realize that the "trend" has been around for a long time.
Time Zone was on six double-sided 5.25" floppies and "pushed" the adventure
gaming market.

The concept of an adventure game today on three double-layered DVDs is
rather awesome and I have to say I'm looking forward to seeing what this is
all about.

Do you all have double-layer DVD player's?

Do you remember back in the '80s the discovery of how you could (in almost
all cases I noted) notch a 5.25" floppy and use the other side for reliable
data too? At the time the industry frowned so on doing this--said it was
damaging to the drive, etc.

 

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"Susan" <UCE@null.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Cassie" <castalides@SPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw
that the
> >pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I
see my
> >future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>
> If you ever bought and played Sierra's Time Zone in the early '80s,
for
> around $80 you'd realize that the "trend" has been around for a long
time.
> Time Zone was on six double-sided 5.25" floppies and "pushed" the
adventure
> gaming market.
>
> The concept of an adventure game today on three double-layered DVDs is
> rather awesome and I have to say I'm looking forward to seeing what
this is
> all about.
>
> Do you all have double-layer DVD player's?
>
> Do you remember back in the '80s the discovery of how you could (in
almost
> all cases I noted) notch a 5.25" floppy and use the other side for
reliable
> data too? At the time the industry frowned so on doing this--said it
was
> damaging to the drive, etc.

NOW you tell me

Mary

 

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Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw that the
> pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I see my
> future limited to the secondary market. How sad.

That's it? I'd be happy if it comes out at that price in Canada (even make
it $60, which accounts for exchange).

Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range. "Special" ones
(collector's edition boxes) can top $100. I remember paying $79 for "Under
a Killing Moon" when it first came out, and that was at Costco!
For that matter, I remember paying ~$40-$50 for games on the Atari 400,
back in 1982 or so. If I NEED a game on first release, I'm willing to pay
prices like this without too much complaining.

Colin

 

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"Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
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> Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> > I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw
that the
> > pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I
see my
> > future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>
> That's it? I'd be happy if it comes out at that price in Canada (even
make
> it $60, which accounts for exchange).
>
> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range.

Which games would they be? I'm in Toronto, Canada and never paid those
prices for adventure games for quite a few years. Are you thinking of
games like Never Winter Nights? I notice they are very expensive, but
they are not really adventure games.

"Special" ones
> (collector's edition boxes) can top $100. I remember paying $79 for
"Under
> a Killing Moon" when it first came out, and that was at Costco!
> For that matter, I remember paying ~$40-$50 for games on the Atari
400,
> back in 1982 or so. If I NEED a game on first release, I'm willing to
pay
> prices like this without too much complaining.

I've been playing adventure games for many years, the cost in the last 5
or 6 years has not been all that different from US prices when taking
into account the difference in currencies (except for some games ). But
7 or 8 years ago, I would agree that *some* games here cost more, such
as The 7th Guest when it came out was $70.00 Can. or something and a few
others were also expensive but that was quite a few years ago. I bought
Under a Killing Moon not long after it came out and I think it was
$60.00 Can. I buy most of my games at EB or Staples or sometimes Future
shop. I don't always buy games when they first come out. If you wait a
few weeks, sometimes they go down a little in price. I remember paying
$50.00 for Monkey Island 1 which was the first game I played. All the
Nancy Drew games here are standard price of $29.99 Can. - In the US I
think they are $19.99 US. Our Can. dollar is higher now, so should cost
us $25.00 Can. since the Can. dollar has been stronger against the US
dollar for the past year. I bought "Return to Mysterious Island" at
Staples, a week ago and it was $19.99 Can. Its made by Adventure company
which is located in Toronto. Games made by them are usually cheaper than
other games. I don't recall seeing any games for $19.99 from them before
though. And I bought Myst Exile in Zellers a few weeks ago for $9.99.
So far, its not a bad game.

Are you located in Toronto? One thing I find is that many games are
standard prices in all stores, but not all games are.
Actually, most of the time adventure games here are cheaper than many
other countries.

Mary

 

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Colin B. wrote:

> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range. "Special" ones
> (collector's edition boxes) can top $100. I remember paying $79 for "Under
> a Killing Moon" when it first came out, and that was at Costco!
> For that matter, I remember paying ~$40-$50 for games on the Atari 400,
> back in 1982 or so. If I NEED a game on first release, I'm willing to pay
> prices like this without too much complaining.
>

Which is exactly why we need things like second-hand market, budget-price
market and such. Because, believe it or not, ther is a LOT of people who
simply can not afford to spend $60-$80 for a game. I don't know how that fits
for the US and Canada, but as an Italian now living in Brazil, I can guarantee
that this kind of pricing is cutting off the market a good 90% of the
Brasilian gamers, and about 50% of the Italian (an probably European)
potential buyers/gamers. Expecially students and the youngest players.
I'm not a student anymore, I'm 30 and with a very reasonable income; thank God
the days when I washed cars and did every kind of chores in the neighborhood
after school for 5 months just to buy Monkey Island 2 are a distant memory.
And yet, it's almost impossible for me to buy a $70 game. The only reasonable
solution is to wait some time, maybe a year, and see if the price falls, or if
a budget edicion comes out, or just to buy it second-hand. And while I wait
impatiently for months, I have to stand tons of kids popping up on the Italian
adventure-related newsgroup saying "Hey, I just downloaded The Moment of
Silence, sooo cool!". And if you try to explain them how and why they are
wrong, they REALLY laugh at you. The only thing that really worked, in Italy,
to make people BUY games instead of download them, has been the low-price
strategy. A lot of people who used to download the brand new $80 game, now
know that if they wait a few months they can buy the game for half the price,
either second-hand or due to store downpricing after the "it's new!" effect
has ended; and that in a year or so a budget edition will probably be in
stores for $20. And a lot of classics are re-edited, for prices as low as $5
(yes, five bucks - I bought myself Syberia and Hollywood Monster last year for
this price).

Just my $0,02 of course.

M.

 

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I have a limit on how much I will spend for a game and pretty much stick to
that. I know, from past experience, that if I'm patient, the price on a new,
never-played game will most likely eventually come down to what I'm willing
to pay. Once a month or so, I also check out the second hand store for
bargains. Many of their games are $8-$12, with the original boxes and most
often, the manuals. And, should the game be defective, there is a 7-day
return policy as well. I also have purchased used games from resellers on
Amazon. I am able to stick to my price only because I have many games yet to
play. I am not the soul of patience by any stretch. Lynne

"Nadif" <nadifDIOSPAMMER@kaiba.cc> wrote in message
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> Colin B. wrote:
>
> > Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range. "Special" ones
> > (collector's edition boxes) can top $100. I remember paying $79 for
"Under
> > a Killing Moon" when it first came out, and that was at Costco!
> > For that matter, I remember paying ~$40-$50 for games on the Atari 400,
> > back in 1982 or so. If I NEED a game on first release, I'm willing to
pay
> > prices like this without too much complaining.
> >
>
> Which is exactly why we need things like second-hand market, budget-price
> market and such. Because, believe it or not, ther is a LOT of people who
> simply can not afford to spend $60-$80 for a game. I don't know how that
fits
> for the US and Canada, but as an Italian now living in Brazil, I can
guarantee
> that this kind of pricing is cutting off the market a good 90% of the
> Brasilian gamers, and about 50% of the Italian (an probably European)
> potential buyers/gamers. Expecially students and the youngest players.
> I'm not a student anymore, I'm 30 and with a very reasonable income; thank
God
> the days when I washed cars and did every kind of chores in the
neighborhood
> after school for 5 months just to buy Monkey Island 2 are a distant
memory.
> And yet, it's almost impossible for me to buy a $70 game. The only
reasonable
> solution is to wait some time, maybe a year, and see if the price falls,
or if
> a budget edicion comes out, or just to buy it second-hand. And while I
wait
> impatiently for months, I have to stand tons of kids popping up on the
Italian
> adventure-related newsgroup saying "Hey, I just downloaded The Moment of
> Silence, sooo cool!". And if you try to explain them how and why they are
> wrong, they REALLY laugh at you. The only thing that really worked, in
Italy,
> to make people BUY games instead of download them, has been the low-price
> strategy. A lot of people who used to download the brand new $80 game, now
> know that if they wait a few months they can buy the game for half the
price,
> either second-hand or due to store downpricing after the "it's new!"
effect
> has ended; and that in a year or so a budget edition will probably be in
> stores for $20. And a lot of classics are re-edited, for prices as low as
$5
> (yes, five bucks - I bought myself Syberia and Hollywood Monster last year
for
> this price).
>
> Just my $0,02 of course.
>
> M.

 

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Mary <not@nothere.com> wrote:
> "Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
> news:4231e52d@news.nucleus.com...
>> Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and saw
> that the
>> > pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going? I
> see my
>> > future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
>>
>> That's it? I'd be happy if it comes out at that price in Canada (even
> make
>> it $60, which accounts for exchange).
>>
>> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range.
>
> Which games would they be? I'm in Toronto, Canada and never paid those
> prices for adventure games for quite a few years. Are you thinking of
> games like Never Winter Nights? I notice they are very expensive, but
> they are not really adventure games.

I wasn't specifically referring to adventure games, which I agree are
generally a bit cheaper. Still, Syberia 2 was $50 here (Alberta) when it
first came out. I think we got it for $45.

> Are you located in Toronto? One thing I find is that many games are
> standard prices in all stores, but not all games are.
> Actually, most of the time adventure games here are cheaper than many
> other countries.

Hmm. Maybe I need to make a game run if I go to Toronto this spring.

Colin

 

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"Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
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> Mary <not@nothere.com> wrote:
> > "Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
> > news:4231e52d@news.nucleus.com...
> >> Cassie <castalides@spamyahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > I was checking the availability of the PC version of TLJ-2 and
saw
> > that the
> >> > pre-order price was $50! Is this the way game prices are going?
I
> > see my
> >> > future limited to the secondary market. How sad.
> >>
> >> That's it? I'd be happy if it comes out at that price in Canada
(even
> > make
> >> it $60, which accounts for exchange).
> >>
> >> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range.
> >
> > Which games would they be? I'm in Toronto, Canada and never paid
those
> > prices for adventure games for quite a few years. Are you thinking
of
> > games like Never Winter Nights? I notice they are very expensive,
but
> > they are not really adventure games.
>
> I wasn't specifically referring to adventure games, which I agree are
> generally a bit cheaper. Still, Syberia 2 was $50 here (Alberta) when
it
> first came out. I think we got it for $45.




> > Are you located in Toronto? One thing I find is that many games are
> > standard prices in all stores, but not all games are.
> > Actually, most of the time adventure games here are cheaper than
many
> > other countries.
>
> Hmm. Maybe I need to make a game run if I go to Toronto this spring.

>
> Colin

 

[Mary]

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I posted a message for you but clicked on Send instead of Reply, so
there was no reply on that one. sorry about that.

"Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
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> Mary <not@nothere.com> wrote:
> >> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range.
> >
> > Which games would they be? I'm in Toronto, Canada and never paid
those
> > prices for adventure games for quite a few years. Are you thinking
of
> > games like Never Winter Nights? I notice they are very expensive,
but
> > they are not really adventure games.
>
> I wasn't specifically referring to adventure games, which I agree are
> generally a bit cheaper. Still, Syberia 2 was $50 here (Alberta) when
it
> first came out. I think we got it for $45.

Most adventure games are quite a lot cheaper than some of the
RPG's/Action/Combat type games. They were always more money than most
adventure games, though some adventure games have been expensive in the
past. I don't look at the prices of them very much, but when Never
Winter Nights was popular, they used to have it displayed at the front
of the store at EB and I noticed the price was $74.00 Can. or something
like that.

I just looked at price stickers on some of my games. Syberia 1 and
Syberia 2 were both 39.99.
I wanted these guys so much, I bought them the day they came out. Aura
Fate of the Ages sticker is $19.99 - (that would be $16.59 US)so can't
get much cheaper than that. Aura is an Adventure company game, and a
good game too. I also played Weekend in Capri, which was $39.99. Black
Mirror , another good game was $39.99. Silver Earring was $39.99 which
is $33.18, so the US probably paid $29.99 US because our dollar hasn't
caught up with the difference in our dollar, as usual. An aside -Have
you seen the prices of books here, most of which are published in the
US? Now that is a different matter and the difference in the price when
there is a US price and a Canada price is huge, when it shouldn't be
that much difference. I rarely buy books any more for that reason.

> > Are you located in Toronto? One thing I find is that many games are
> > standard prices in all stores, but not all games are.
> > Actually, most of the time adventure games here are cheaper than
many
> > other countries.
>
> Hmm. Maybe I need to make a game run if I go to Toronto this spring.


Maybe, but I can't say that all adventure games will be much cheaper
here, but when you live in a big city, there are more stores and that
means more competition, which usually benefits the consumer, depending
on the product of course. I have 3 EB's I can go to, one is 10 minutes
away.
Their prices are usually the same. I have two Future shops nearby (game
prices a bit higher), and three Staples. A Best Buy opened near me at
Christmas. I shop around, but most games seem to be the best price at
EB.

About Myst Exile game I mentioned. It was $9.99 because part of the lid
of the box was torn.It was $29.99 before. I didn't know if I wanted to
play it. A couple of weeks later, it was $9.99 so I figure if its no
good, it won't be a great loss. So far, its been OK. Its in Future shop
for $19.99.

One thing to keep in mind - Ontario pays 15% tax on most products except
for food, and Alberta pays 8% since you don't pay GST (how did you
manage that - with your oil But it would seem that many games here
are cheaper even with our 15% tax. But we have more stores for you to
search in

Mary

 

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"Mary" <not@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> I posted a message for you but clicked on Send instead of Reply, so
> there was no reply on that one. sorry about that.
>
> "Colin B." <cbigam@somewhereelse.nucleus.com> wrote in message
> news:423216b0@news.nucleus.com...
> > Mary <not@nothere.com> wrote:
> > >> Most new games here are generally in the $60-$80 range.
> > >
> > > Which games would they be? I'm in Toronto, Canada and never paid
> those
> > > prices for adventure games for quite a few years. Are you thinking
> of
> > > games like Never Winter Nights? I notice they are very expensive,
> but
> > > they are not really adventure games.
> >
> > I wasn't specifically referring to adventure games, which I agree
are
> > generally a bit cheaper. Still, Syberia 2 was $50 here (Alberta)
when
> it
> > first came out. I think we got it for $45.
>
> Most adventure games are quite a lot cheaper than some of the
> RPG's/Action/Combat type games. They were always more money than most
> adventure games, though some adventure games have been expensive in
the
> past. I don't look at the prices of them very much, but when Never
> Winter Nights was popular, they used to have it displayed at the front
> of the store at EB and I noticed the price was $74.00 Can. or
something
> like that.
>
> I just looked at price stickers on some of my games. Syberia 1 and
> Syberia 2 were both 39.99.
> I wanted these guys so much, I bought them the day they came out. Aura

Haha. I was reading parts of my message when it went on the NG, and
notice I said above "I wanted these guys so much". What I I meant to say
was "I wanted these games so much". Maybe its a Freudian slip. hehe.
Its funny.

Mary

 

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Here, Vince <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> "Andrew Plotkin" wrote
>
>
> > This is probably an argument I don't want to get into, but -- that's
> > nonsense.
> > Without second-hand bookstores -- and libraries -- there
> > would be many fewer readers. Without second-hand game stores, there
> > would be many fewer gamers. Forbidding such things isn't helping the
> > developer, it's screwing over the audience. Screwed-over audiences
> > stay small and unprofitable.
>
> As far as the developers and publishers are concerned, whats's the
> difference between me buying a game second hand and downloading it?

The person you bought it from no longer owns it. Same as if you bought
a second-hand book, a second-hand movie DVD, a second-hand car, or a
second-hand original bronze sculpture by a famous Spanish artist.

(All of which, by the way, I have done.)

The right to sell things that you once bought, if you no longer want
to keep them, is (I believe) guaranteed by US law. This isn't because
the US hates businesses.

--Z

"And Aholibamah bare Jeush, and Jaalam, and Korah: these were the borogoves..."
*
I'm still thinking about what to put in this space.

 

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Andrew Plotkin wrote:


> The right to sell things that you once bought, if you no longer want
> to keep them, is (I believe) guaranteed by US law.

Yes, it is all over the world... or not. The entertainment industry and, even
more, the software industry are trying hard to limitate the right of the
product buyers.
There already are some EULAs that, amongst other unbelievable things,
basically prohibit the buyer to resell the product - because the product is
"licensed" and not "sold", so the manifacturer retains all commercial rights
on it. A clause that would possibly be voided in front of a court, but the
jurisdiction on that is doubtful, and you should file a lawsuit against, well,
Microsoft and another dozen of the world's largest corporations. So the things
remain the same, and this is, IMHO, a disaster waiting to happen.
To get an idea of how dangerous this is, try googling for what's happening in
India between Monsanto and the local farmers for the right to... plant seeds.
Surreal, scary story. And this may be the future. Oh, but enough, I'm already
way off-topic.

M.

 

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"Andrew Plotkin" <erkyrath@eblong.com> wrote in message
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> Here, Vince <vmelia@nospamblueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > "Andrew Plotkin" wrote
> >
> >
> > > This is probably an argument I don't want to get into, but --
that's
> > > nonsense.
> > > Without second-hand bookstores -- and libraries -- there
> > > would be many fewer readers. Without second-hand game stores,
there
> > > would be many fewer gamers. Forbidding such things isn't helping
the
> > > developer, it's screwing over the audience. Screwed-over audiences
> > > stay small and unprofitable.
> >
> > As far as the developers and publishers are concerned, whats's the
> > difference between me buying a game second hand and downloading it?
>
> The person you bought it from no longer owns it. Same as if you bought
> a second-hand book, a second-hand movie DVD, a second-hand car, or a
> second-hand original bronze sculpture by a famous Spanish artist.
>
> (All of which, by the way, I have done.)
>
> The right to sell things that you once bought, if you no longer want
> to keep them, is (I believe) guaranteed by US law. This isn't because
> the US hates businesses.

I would think that is the same in any country, not just the US. Once I
buy an item from someone, the product is then mine to do with what I
want, resell it, throw it in the garbage if I want.
CK put things very well in his/her post.

Mary

 

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I got Syberia 2 for 19.99 not long after its release in Best Buy =D But
haven't played it yet since I read it's not ad good as the first one...

Katie Tam
tamkatieatrogers.com

> I wasn't specifically referring to adventure games, which I agree are
> generally a bit cheaper. Still, Syberia 2 was $50 here (Alberta) when it
> first came out. I think we got it for $45.

 

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> Are you located in Toronto? One thing I find is that many games are
> standard prices in all stores, but not all games are.
> Actually, most of the time adventure games here are cheaper than many
> other countries.

EB is always a few dollars more expensive then places like Future Shop and
Staples.

Is there any great places to buy games in Toronto? I do to Staples often few
times a week(ya I know...) to see if they have some gd cheap new adventure
games. But lately I haven't seen anything very exciting. I saw Wanted: a
western adventure (or something like that) but I don't know if it's a good
game or not so didn't buy it.

I love to wait for a LONG time to buy the games in a cheaper price. My
latest purchase was Runaway a few weeks ago, which has been out for, I don't
know, a couple of years?? I saw it in EB and it was 39.99 I think? I didn't
want to pay that much. So I waited and waited and voila! It went
discontinued. Totally panicking I called up 8 EB stores and found the only
copy in the last EB on my list (lucky I persisted). It was still 19.99 but
oh well it's a good game.

Katie Tam
tamkatieatrogers.com

 

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"tamkatie" <tamkatie_at_rogers.com> wrote in message
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> I got Syberia 2 for 19.99 not long after its release in Best Buy =D
But
> haven't played it yet since I read it's not ad good as the first
one...

> Katie Tam
> tamkatieatrogers.com

I liked Syberia 1 the best. I thought it was exceptional - had a more
interesting story and really held my interest from start to finish. But
Syberia 2 is a very good game too and well worth playing. If you've had
it from not long after its release, its time you played it

Where are you located in Canada? I'm in Toronto and I've never seen
Syberia 2 for $19.99 Can. $ at any time whether it just came out or even
now. I saw it the other day for $29.99 Can. and thats the cheapest I've
seen it. I haven't had a Best Buy near me till a few months ago. There
are only a few Best Buys in Toronto area. Their original plans were to
build more but I've only seen one new store being built in the last
couple of years. Buy bought all the Future Shop stores in Canada which
you probably know. Future shop mostly stock action/RPG's/Shooters though
they have a few adventure games they think will sell such as Syberia,
Myst exile, Myst Revelation, etc..

Mary