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Hi all. I am going to be doing some live recording of a band, mainly
for archive purposes (ie this won't end up on an album). I have the
recording end planned out, but at the moment I'm stuck on mics. I only
have two options, a pair of Apex 435 large diaphram cardiod condensor
mics, or a pair of Apex 180 small diaphram pencil cardiod condensor
mics.

First off, I know that Apex isn't the best out there. I don't have a
whole lot of choice in the matter. The 435s seem to have a better
frequency response, though a lower sensitivity I believe, judging from
what I can get off the Apex website. There is no cardiod plot, so I
have no idea how strong the off axis rejection is. This is for a
stereo recording, so at the moment I'm planning on angling the mics 90
degrees apart, facing the stage/speakers. They will be on a tall
stand, slightly above head height most likely.

Anyway, I'm not sure which way to go. Any and all advice appreciated!

Thanks,

Josh

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Josh Koffman <joshybear@gmail.com> wrote:
>First off, I know that Apex isn't the best out there. I don't have a
>whole lot of choice in the matter. The 435s seem to have a better
>frequency response, though a lower sensitivity I believe, judging from
>what I can get off the Apex website. There is no cardiod plot, so I
>have no idea how strong the off axis rejection is. This is for a
>stereo recording, so at the moment I'm planning on angling the mics 90
>degrees apart, facing the stage/speakers. They will be on a tall
>stand, slightly above head height most likely.

The Apex mikes are Shanghai mikes. The 180s will definitely have better
off-axis response than the 435s, but it will vary a lot from one microphone
to the next.

>Anyway, I'm not sure which way to go. Any and all advice appreciated!

Why the Apexes? Why not the Oktavas, or even the $35 Behringer omnis?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On 1 Oct 2004 22:27:38 -0400, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

>Josh Koffman <joshybear@gmail.com> wrote:
>>First off, I know that Apex isn't the best out there. I don't have a
>>whole lot of choice in the matter. The 435s seem to have a better
>>frequency response, though a lower sensitivity I believe, judging from
>>what I can get off the Apex website. There is no cardiod plot, so I
>>have no idea how strong the off axis rejection is. This is for a
>>stereo recording, so at the moment I'm planning on angling the mics 90
>>degrees apart, facing the stage/speakers. They will be on a tall
>>stand, slightly above head height most likely.
>
>The Apex mikes are Shanghai mikes. The 180s will definitely have better
>off-axis response than the 435s, but it will vary a lot from one microphone
>to the next.
>
>>Anyway, I'm not sure which way to go. Any and all advice appreciated!
>
>Why the Apexes? Why not the Oktavas, or even the $35 Behringer omnis?
>--scott

I've bought several Apex 180's for $70 CDN each; that's about $55 US.
They've all sounded about the same, and survived as drum overhead and
high-hat mics for live PA. I even tried one on a banjo, and guess
what?

Yep, it still sounded like a banjo.

The Beringer ECM8000 omni is OK, as long as the source is close and
loud. Works OK on high hat.

I love the Oktavas, but I'm not using my matched pair for live PA
work.

Mike T.

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> Hi all. I am going to be doing some live recording of a band, mainly
> for archive purposes (ie this won't end up on an album). I have the
> recording end planned out, but at the moment I'm stuck on mics. I only
> have two options, a pair of Apex 435 large diaphram cardiod condensor
> mics, or a pair of Apex 180 small diaphram pencil cardiod condensor
> mics.

No question, the 180's.

> First off, I know that Apex isn't the best out there. I don't have a
> whole lot of choice in the matter. The 435s seem to have a better
> frequency response, though a lower sensitivity I believe, judging from
> what I can get off the Apex website. There is no cardiod plot, so I
> have no idea how strong the off axis rejection is. This is for a
> stereo recording, so at the moment I'm planning on angling the mics 90
> degrees apart, facing the stage/speakers. They will be on a tall
> stand, slightly above head height most likely.

Where sound reinforcement is involved, you have two main priorities: get
good trebele response from the PA, and avoid time delay comb-filtering, that
means a coincident XY mic format positioned back where the treble horns are
both pointed. Assuming the room/system and mix is decent and you get good
recording levels, any other problems are relatively easy fix in post.

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