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March 16, 2002 1:13:37 PM

There were a few threads about 4 months ago on the setting of swap files on other drives/partitions etc in W98SE.

All I can say is, I'll never ever put a swapfile anywhere but C: again!

Yes, I'll manually set it to have a minimum value. I prefer not to set a maximum, but instead prefer to increase the minimum if I need to.

Here's what happened. When I did a re-format/installation of my entire system in January it was great. In February I decided I was never actually using the swapfile to any great extent, so why give it its own partition? Coupled with the fact that I have another 5 partitions and 3 CD devices, and a CD emulator program, drive letters were getting out of hand! It was looking like the FAT days of 2GB drives.

So I decided to set the swap file back to C:

After doing so, I merged the old D: partition, which was allocated 1024MB for a swapfile to my C: and rebooted. It didn't want to play!

It would boot without ACPI.sys being loaded and effectively all my devices were lost. No CDs, no sound, gfx...nothing! Like safe mode, but with even less appeal. So in safe mode I re-created the partition and it was happy. Windows booted and up pops a file in D: called 386.swp....I can hear you all chuckling.

So I tried deleting or moving the file to C:

No luck. Either no boot, or it re-creates it in D:

Eventually I allocated 50MB for the partition and let the system have its way. Weeks later, I'm trying again! Not being the type to ever give up completely, I hoped I'd waited long enough for the system to be looking the other way. Heh, no chance!

Still have this problem. Even when I drop an image over the c:

I figure its a registry issue, but I'm fvcked if I'm going to start that sort of twaddle. I reckon its a re-format, re-install of the entire system to have happiness. :smile: You know I just find things to break, so I can fix them again.

So the moral of the story is....if you design a system configuration which works, stick to it until you <b>have</b> to change it. Don't mess unless you have the ability to laugh when its 4am, you're out of cigarettes and the thing is saying something to the effect of..."The system detected two versions of ACPI.sys and therefore cannot load the device drivers for the entire system...code 2" WTF is code 2!!!!!

BTW there was only one version of the file on my drive....

:smile: Deep breaths.

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March 16, 2002 2:03:38 PM

Wow! Sounds like you made it on the Dean's List of graduates from the Technical School of Hard Knocks (TSHK). :smile:

Glad you back up and running. Thanks for the advise!

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March 16, 2002 2:06:40 PM

"WTF is code 2!!!!!"

Code 2 is like a 'Blue Code' in the hospital.

Grab a gawd-dam taser and nail that mother (read: msft) before it gets any worse.
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March 16, 2002 5:05:44 PM

Oh, dude. Camie, camie. Isn't it time you upgraded to a better OS? It certainly beats formatting!

The fact that you are still running Win98 is <i>killing</i> me! LOL!

With a newer operating system like Win2K or WinXP, you can have <i>two</i> paging files. I keep a 2MB paging file on the active partition, just in case the second hard drive fails ... and the major paging file at the top of the slaved drive.

There's no way that my system is going to refuse to boot because of the virtual memory with this arrangement.

It's something worth thinking about ...

Toey

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March 16, 2002 10:13:02 PM

Hi there Toey. I had a feeling you might chastise me on the OS I'm using. Remember, I <b>am</b> changing to W2K in a couple of weeks. This issue may speed things up, but for now I have managed to get rid of the partition. Here's the strange bit...The drive letters of two of my CD devices don't re-jiggle themselves. They stay as they were. What's more, if I manually re-assign them, BANG! I get the no-boot syndrome.

NB. By no-boot, I mean the system boots without ACPI.sys loaded, and therefore I have no nothing!!! :smile: Just a safe mode style boot.

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I keep a 2MB paging file on the active partition, just in case the second hard drive fails

Second hard drive???? Naw...RAID 0! Total lack of redundancy present. Keeps things exciting! What's more I get my original config (OS, Hardware, ISP) burned to a CD, and burn regular versions of my docs etc too. At about 50p a month on CD-Rs, it's cheaper than a Hard drive I theoretically don't use. I do have the RAID 0+1 option if I'm prepared to get another two drives, but I don't operate a 24/7 system, so I don't see the need right now.

I remember someone asking about simply not having a swapfile present. If this is the side effect it has, I reckon I'll keep it. :smile:

BTW, did you contact that guy? I haven't heard from him yet.

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March 17, 2002 12:34:25 AM

I had to tease you, camie. I couldn't help it!

Might be the beer.

LOL!

I'm waiting with bated breath to see what's going to happen when you install Win2K on that RAID array and start benchmarking the heck out of it!

<font color=green>"Total lack of redundancy present"</font color=green>

Aha! A daredevil. Look Ma, no net!

Toey

P.S. I've never re-jiggled my drive letters. Sounds slightly pornographic!

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March 17, 2002 4:11:57 AM

how did you merge the C and D drives? I would advice you not to mess up with the boot partition. you should have moved the swapfile to D and merged the D with E!

Its kidstuff, you can change the swapfile parameters in
<font color=green>My Computer(Properties)->Performance->Virtual Memory</font color=green>

or run Sysedit from the Run box and scrol through <font color=green>system.ini</font color=green> to <font color=green>386enh</font color=green> section for these values:<font color=green>
PagingDrive=C:
MinPagingFileSize=xxx
MaxPagingFileSize=xxx</font color=green>

by default these are not present, if you set it to custom values only then these values are present. did you set the pagingdrive parameter either from the system.ini or virtual memory settings?

girish

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March 17, 2002 10:56:09 AM

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how did you merge the C and D drives?

Do you mean how or why?

Logically, there's no big deal between C: and the others as long as you have the data correctly configured. C: contains the MBR and reuires DOS for partition stuff. That's about it.

My pagefile=C I have a file in C: called 386.swp which is the size it should be. I also have one in D: and it re-creates itself on re-boot. Almost as if two registry keys say "create pagefile in drive 'x'".

I set them from the virtual memory, and on re-boot the lines appear in system.ini

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March 18, 2002 7:32:47 AM

well, i though you MERGED the drives C and D!

anyway, there is only one swapfile for win98se so it shouldnt recreate in drive D after it has been moved to C, if it does the settings are probabely reverting back somehow! after the system is up and running, did you try to delete the swapfile on the D drive? if its the real swapfile it wont allow you to delete it. if it was a leftover, it will easily be deleted, and as a matter of fact, shouldnt even be created there again!

BTW having the swapfile on a separate partition does have advantages, and disadvantages too! advantage is that it isnt fragmented, while the disadvantage is that there is a lot of drive head's mechanical movement if the memory is too small, about less than 128 MB. this is because while switching partitons the drive has to switch between tracks rather than switching heads.

i have tried all the combinatins of swapfile sizes and locations, and found that the best place for the swapfile is on the C drive, preferabely unfragmented fixed size one!

to get this, i do the following. move the swapfile to D drive, clean all the crap like windows\recent, windows\temp windows\temporarary internet files and unwanted stuff. remove any autostarting apps from startup, registry and win/system.ini
reboot and run defrag immediately.
then reboot again and now set the swapfile to be on C drive to a fixed size of ~2x memory. then reboot and install all the autostarting apps back.

girish

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March 18, 2002 11:14:03 PM

Yep well now I have a fixed C: swapfile of 200MB min / unlimited max. It never gets there. Well, if I do a lot of Winzip stuff it will get to the swapfile and by that time, I'm doing a re-start. 512MB of RAM takes a wee while to use up.

I did merge the partitions. I had to re-create the D: partition (revert to the old set-up) and the swapfile re-appeared in it. Now it doesn't exist there, but if I delete the partition, everything goes crazy. Weird? I thought so too!

No matter. Its not hurting my system just existing there. Its not going to be there for too long, with any luck.

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March 19, 2002 5:47:53 AM

well, i never rely on 3rd party utilities, especialy that mess up with system level data, partitions and file systems.

if i have to, i rely on my disk editor, my calculator and myself. that way i had recovered a lot of hard disks when the chernobyl attacked (on 26th April)! i manually edited the partition table and recovered files by editing FAT!

I like playing wit partitions!

girish

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