micing drums questions

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Hi Sam,

I've used Superphones for years when recording myself playing drums and I
would never go back to using 'normal' headphones. They isolate so well that
I can keep the backing tracks and click at safe levels ( more often than
not! ;-), but I do need to mix in a little of my drum sound so I can tell
what I'm really doing.

I'd recommend just using 1 or maybe three mics for monitoring. Get at least
one omni pattern condenser mic. I'd recommend an Audix TR-40 ( under $200
or you could try a Behringer ECM8000 for around $40 because it has a similar
design but I haven't tried on myself ) Move the TR-40 or other omni around
until it picks up the entire set as evenly as possible.

If you aren't getting enough bass drum add an Audio Technica ATM25 ( about
$140 ) inside of it about 3 or 4 inches away from the head.

If you can get enough snare put a SM57 ( about $80 ) or possibly better yet
a Beyer Dynamic M201 ( about $200 - this is what I've used on snare for
years and really like it )

Best of luck!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com

"Sam" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newszicd.165$XE3.156645@news20.bellglobal.com...
> hi, right now i have my drumset in a very small room, i just go there to
> practice not to play with anyone, not big enough.. i'd like to play along
to
> music but i've found that to do this i need to blast my music with some
pretty
> decent speakers and wear earplugs that muffle everything (even the non
custom
> westones muffle). the other option is using headphones but the drums are
so
> loud that to even hear the music playing i have to max the volume in my
> headphones (audio technica m40fs) and thats definitely not good for my
hearing,
> PLUS, the music is clear but the drums are muffled.. sooo, i decided to
look
> into buying a pair of ultra isolating headphones (superphones) and micing
my
> drumset, i figure this would be the best way to play to music, have it
sound
> great, have the drums mix in seemlessly and protect my hearing at the same
> time.. has anyone tried this? are any of my assumptions incorrect?
>
> the question is, what mics should i get? i don't want to go and spend
$2000 on
> mics since i'm not actually going to be recording, but i'd like to get
good
> mics that i'll be able to use later on when i get my own place and really
set
> everything up for proper recording. would a beta 52 for the kick, an sm57
for
> the snare and two sm57's as overheads do the trick? is a beta 52 a good
kick
> mic? later on if i decide to get better overheads would the sm57's work
well as
> individual tom mics? i'm mostly into modern rock, if i could have any drum
> sound it would be danny careys on lateralus. hope that helps
>
> thanks!
>
>

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 03:28:16 GMT, "Bill Lorentzen"
<lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote:

>I really don't want to sound like a wise guy, and for all I know you already
>do this, but in case you don't - for everybody's sake learn to play at a
>decent volume. I've been playing guitar professionally for almost 30 years,
>and if there's one thing I really appreciate about a drummer, that makes me
>want to hire him (or her if I knew any) over other players is when they can
>play with a good feel at a low volume. The guy I like to play with the most
>uses a set with no shells. They sound decent, but he's such a great player I
>don't really care what the drums sound like. Plus they are easy for him to
>transport.
>
>As an engineer I learned early on to play guitar quietly and to let the
>sound man mix. If everybody plays lower then the mix sounds so much better.
>
>BTW I have some tinitus, and playing on stages with loud drummers must have
>contributed to it.

Hear, hear.

Last two nights I did SR for a really powerful cabaret singer who
works with just a piano accompaniment. She does a Kurt Weill- Bertold
Brecht original piece for small rooms, including her own computer-
run "slide" presentation of graphics. I'm a huge fan of the music
since childhood, so...

Last night at the Majestic Hotel in Hot Springs, Arkansas, lovely,
lovely town, and only an hour away. About three out of four electrical
outlets were stone dead. No problem; I'd brought enough Edison for
our purposes. But the piano was KLANKY!

SR is the wrong solution for these kinda issues. We went into the
kitchen and stole about a dozen tablecloths (housekeeping was closed,
no blankets) to cover the piano.

If you ever get a chance to see Adriana Zabala, don't miss it. She'll
kill ya and then break yer heart.

My biggest problems seem to be getting folks (BASS!) to turn down,
FWIW. Sign of the times: me, me, me.

Chris Hornbeck

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Yeah, I agree. And I feel for drummers that the instruments are inherently
so loud sometimes, but still some guys can play beautifully and
appropriately at lower volumes and other guys can't. Maybe it is the gear.
Some snares are quieter than others I suppose. This is an area where I think
we need some new technological developments.

Bill L

"John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
news:10n3sma4lll0m2b@corp.supernews.com...
> There is a lot of good advice in what you say, and people who always play
> as
> loud as possible should take heed. But, playing at a low volume with any
> acoustic instrument is not 'always' appropriate or acceptable since the
> timbre of the instrument can drastically change over it's volume range and
> certain sounds that can usually only be obtained by playing near the upper
> volume level may be required or desirable for a particular piece of music.
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:kFlcd.1564$7d7.885@trnddc04...
>> I really don't want to sound like a wise guy, and for all I know you
> already
>> do this, but in case you don't - for everybody's sake learn to play at a
>> decent volume. I've been playing guitar professionally for almost 30
> years,
>> and if there's one thing I really appreciate about a drummer, that makes
> me
>> want to hire him (or her if I knew any) over other players is when they
> can
>> play with a good feel at a low volume. The guy I like to play with the
> most
>> uses a set with no shells. They sound decent, but he's such a great
>> player
> I
>> don't really care what the drums sound like. Plus they are easy for him
>> to
>> transport.
>>
>> As an engineer I learned early on to play guitar quietly and to let the
>> sound man mix. If everybody plays lower then the mix sounds so much
> better.
>>
>> BTW I have some tinitus, and playing on stages with loud drummers must
> have
>> contributed to it.
>>
>> OK I've said my piece. Have fun.
>>
>> Bill Lorentzen
>>
>>
>> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
>> news:10n3l6r5bhcbtc2@corp.supernews.com...
>> > Hi Sam,
>> >
>> > I've used Superphones for years when recording myself playing drums and
> I
>> > would never go back to using 'normal' headphones. They isolate so well
>> > that
>> > I can keep the backing tracks and click at safe levels ( more often
>> > than
>> > not! ;-), but I do need to mix in a little of my drum sound so I can
> tell
>> > what I'm really doing.
>> >
>> > I'd recommend just using 1 or maybe three mics for monitoring. Get at
>> > least
>> > one omni pattern condenser mic. I'd recommend an Audix TR-40 ( under
> $200
>> > or you could try a Behringer ECM8000 for around $40 because it has a
>> > similar
>> > design but I haven't tried on myself ) Move the TR-40 or other omni
>> > around
>> > until it picks up the entire set as evenly as possible.
>> >
>> > If you aren't getting enough bass drum add an Audio Technica ATM25 (
> about
>> > $140 ) inside of it about 3 or 4 inches away from the head.
>> >
>> > If you can get enough snare put a SM57 ( about $80 ) or possibly better
>> > yet
>> > a Beyer Dynamic M201 ( about $200 - this is what I've used on snare for
>> > years and really like it )
>> >
>> > Best of luck!
>> >
>> > John L Rice
>> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
>> >
>> > "Sam" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > newszicd.165$XE3.156645@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >> hi, right now i have my drumset in a very small room, i just go there
> to
>> >> practice not to play with anyone, not big enough.. i'd like to play
> along
>> > to
>> >> music but i've found that to do this i need to blast my music with
>> >> some
>> > pretty
>> >> decent speakers and wear earplugs that muffle everything (even the non
>> > custom
>> >> westones muffle). the other option is using headphones but the drums
> are
>> > so
>> >> loud that to even hear the music playing i have to max the volume in
>> >> my
>> >> headphones (audio technica m40fs) and thats definitely not good for my
>> > hearing,
>> >> PLUS, the music is clear but the drums are muffled.. sooo, i decided
>> >> to
>> > look
>> >> into buying a pair of ultra isolating headphones (superphones) and
> micing
>> > my
>> >> drumset, i figure this would be the best way to play to music, have it
>> > sound
>> >> great, have the drums mix in seemlessly and protect my hearing at the
>> >> same
>> >> time.. has anyone tried this? are any of my assumptions incorrect?
>> >>
>> >> the question is, what mics should i get? i don't want to go and spend
>> > $2000 on
>> >> mics since i'm not actually going to be recording, but i'd like to get
>> > good
>> >> mics that i'll be able to use later on when i get my own place and
> really
>> > set
>> >> everything up for proper recording. would a beta 52 for the kick, an
> sm57
>> > for
>> >> the snare and two sm57's as overheads do the trick? is a beta 52 a
>> >> good
>> > kick
>> >> mic? later on if i decide to get better overheads would the sm57's
>> >> work
>> > well as
>> >> individual tom mics? i'm mostly into modern rock, if i could have any
>> >> drum
>> >> sound it would be danny careys on lateralus. hope that helps
>> >>
>> >> thanks!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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While a good majority of it is playing technique, often the way the drum set
sounds and responds can control what techniques are used. If I was going to
setup a kit for a jazz gig I would most likely use different heads, tuning,
sticks and cymbals than if I was going to do a hard rock gig, etc. I think
a lot of guys will get their sets setup for one particular style of music
and then they are not prepared to switch gears when it would be appropriate.
Trying to play lightly on a set that is setup for loud music can sound 'not
good or right' to drummers so they may try to play at least loud enough to
make the tone of the instrument sound 'right', and let other people worry
about matching the volume. ( after all, every one else has a little knob
they can use to control their volume, right? They can play physically as
soft or loud as they need to and then adjust the loudness with their amp or
PA )

I'd ask your drummer if he is willing to experiment with his sound. Try a
test recording of just him playing at what ever volume he is comfortable
with. Then, if he is a particularly loud player, ask him to play about the
same thing as soft as he can ( or if he's a soft drummer have him play
loud ). Then both of you sit down and discuss what you each like and
dislike about the TONE/SOUND of his drums, but NOT the volume. If the set
doesn't 'sound' good at the non-standard playing force then that may be a
good part of the reason the drummer is forcing a particular volume level.
In that case you might suggest using different heads, tuning, sticks,
cymbals, etc. If the tone is good at either volume then the drummer just
needs to work on control.

In general, for light/soft playing go with thinner/smaller/tighter and for
loud playing go with thicker/larger/looser. ( regarding drum head, drum
shell, cymbal and stick thickness / drum shell, stick size, and cymbal
diameter / head tension and stick tip material or bass beater hardness )

Depending on your relationship with the drummer, in particular if it's long
term and you like him and his playing but he's too loud or soft, but he is
resistant to changing offer to buy him a set of thinner or thicker heads so
he can at least try it. ( it should only set you back less than $100,
possibly only $50 ) $100 is cheap when compared to hearing loss,
unacceptable gigs or trying to find another drummer.

Of course you could always just can him and get a drummer you are happy
with! ;-)

Best of luck!

John L Rice
Drummer@ImJohn.com



"Bill Lorentzen" <lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:keycd.5621$n81.1442@trnddc08...
> Yeah, I agree. And I feel for drummers that the instruments are inherently
> so loud sometimes, but still some guys can play beautifully and
> appropriately at lower volumes and other guys can't. Maybe it is the gear.
> Some snares are quieter than others I suppose. This is an area where I
think
> we need some new technological developments.
>
> Bill L
>
> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
> news:10n3sma4lll0m2b@corp.supernews.com...
> > There is a lot of good advice in what you say, and people who always
play
> > as
> > loud as possible should take heed. But, playing at a low volume with any
> > acoustic instrument is not 'always' appropriate or acceptable since the
> > timbre of the instrument can drastically change over it's volume range
and
> > certain sounds that can usually only be obtained by playing near the
upper
> > volume level may be required or desirable for a particular piece of
music.
> >
> > John L Rice
> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
> >
> >
> > "Bill Lorentzen" <lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:kFlcd.1564$7d7.885@trnddc04...
> >> I really don't want to sound like a wise guy, and for all I know you
> > already
> >> do this, but in case you don't - for everybody's sake learn to play at
a
> >> decent volume. I've been playing guitar professionally for almost 30
> > years,
> >> and if there's one thing I really appreciate about a drummer, that
makes
> > me
> >> want to hire him (or her if I knew any) over other players is when they
> > can
> >> play with a good feel at a low volume. The guy I like to play with the
> > most
> >> uses a set with no shells. They sound decent, but he's such a great
> >> player
> > I
> >> don't really care what the drums sound like. Plus they are easy for him
> >> to
> >> transport.
> >>
> >> As an engineer I learned early on to play guitar quietly and to let the
> >> sound man mix. If everybody plays lower then the mix sounds so much
> > better.
> >>
> >> BTW I have some tinitus, and playing on stages with loud drummers must
> > have
> >> contributed to it.
> >>
> >> OK I've said my piece. Have fun.
> >>
> >> Bill Lorentzen
> >>
> >>
> >> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
> >> news:10n3l6r5bhcbtc2@corp.supernews.com...
> >> > Hi Sam,
> >> >
> >> > I've used Superphones for years when recording myself playing drums
and
> > I
> >> > would never go back to using 'normal' headphones. They isolate so
well
> >> > that
> >> > I can keep the backing tracks and click at safe levels ( more often
> >> > than
> >> > not! ;-), but I do need to mix in a little of my drum sound so I can
> > tell
> >> > what I'm really doing.
> >> >
> >> > I'd recommend just using 1 or maybe three mics for monitoring. Get
at
> >> > least
> >> > one omni pattern condenser mic. I'd recommend an Audix TR-40 ( under
> > $200
> >> > or you could try a Behringer ECM8000 for around $40 because it has a
> >> > similar
> >> > design but I haven't tried on myself ) Move the TR-40 or other omni
> >> > around
> >> > until it picks up the entire set as evenly as possible.
> >> >
> >> > If you aren't getting enough bass drum add an Audio Technica ATM25 (
> > about
> >> > $140 ) inside of it about 3 or 4 inches away from the head.
> >> >
> >> > If you can get enough snare put a SM57 ( about $80 ) or possibly
better
> >> > yet
> >> > a Beyer Dynamic M201 ( about $200 - this is what I've used on snare
for
> >> > years and really like it )
> >> >
> >> > Best of luck!
> >> >
> >> > John L Rice
> >> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
> >> >
> >> > "Sam" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> > newszicd.165$XE3.156645@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> >> hi, right now i have my drumset in a very small room, i just go
there
> > to
> >> >> practice not to play with anyone, not big enough.. i'd like to play
> > along
> >> > to
> >> >> music but i've found that to do this i need to blast my music with
> >> >> some
> >> > pretty
> >> >> decent speakers and wear earplugs that muffle everything (even the
non
> >> > custom
> >> >> westones muffle). the other option is using headphones but the drums
> > are
> >> > so
> >> >> loud that to even hear the music playing i have to max the volume in
> >> >> my
> >> >> headphones (audio technica m40fs) and thats definitely not good for
my
> >> > hearing,
> >> >> PLUS, the music is clear but the drums are muffled.. sooo, i decided
> >> >> to
> >> > look
> >> >> into buying a pair of ultra isolating headphones (superphones) and
> > micing
> >> > my
> >> >> drumset, i figure this would be the best way to play to music, have
it
> >> > sound
> >> >> great, have the drums mix in seemlessly and protect my hearing at
the
> >> >> same
> >> >> time.. has anyone tried this? are any of my assumptions incorrect?
> >> >>
> >> >> the question is, what mics should i get? i don't want to go and
spend
> >> > $2000 on
> >> >> mics since i'm not actually going to be recording, but i'd like to
get
> >> > good
> >> >> mics that i'll be able to use later on when i get my own place and
> > really
> >> > set
> >> >> everything up for proper recording. would a beta 52 for the kick, an
> > sm57
> >> > for
> >> >> the snare and two sm57's as overheads do the trick? is a beta 52 a
> >> >> good
> >> > kick
> >> >> mic? later on if i decide to get better overheads would the sm57's
> >> >> work
> >> > well as
> >> >> individual tom mics? i'm mostly into modern rock, if i could have
any
> >> >> drum
> >> >> sound it would be danny careys on lateralus. hope that helps
> >> >>
> >> >> thanks!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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"Sam" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
newszicd.165$XE3.156645@news20.bellglobal.com...
> hi, right now i have my drumset in a very small room, i just go there to
> practice not to play with anyone, not big enough.. i'd like to play along
to
> music but i've found that to do this i need to blast my music with some
pretty
> decent speakers and wear earplugs that muffle everything (even the non
custom
> westones muffle). the other option is using headphones but the drums are
so
> loud that to even hear the music playing i have to max the volume in my
> headphones (audio technica m40fs) and thats definitely not good for my
hearing,
> PLUS, the music is clear but the drums are muffled.. sooo, i decided to
look
> into buying a pair of ultra isolating headphones (superphones) and micing
my
> drumset, i figure this would be the best way to play to music, have it
sound
> great, have the drums mix in seemlessly and protect my hearing at the same
> time.. has anyone tried this? are any of my assumptions incorrect?
>
> the question is, what mics should i get? i don't want to go and spend
$2000 on
> mics since i'm not actually going to be recording, but i'd like to get
good
> mics that i'll be able to use later on when i get my own place and really
set
> everything up for proper recording. would a beta 52 for the kick, an sm57
for
> the snare and two sm57's as overheads do the trick? is a beta 52 a good
kick
> mic? later on if i decide to get better overheads would the sm57's work
well as
> individual tom mics? i'm mostly into modern rock, if i could have any drum
> sound it would be danny careys on lateralus. hope that helps


First get some sound absorbtion in the room, as Will said. Then get a decent
small condensor as John said. If the room is that small you may not even
need a kick mic, just move the mic around till you find a happy mix.

Sean

Archived from groups: rec.audio.pro (More info?)

Good advice. I actually play with a lot of different guys, but I appreciate
the quieter ones when we are in a smaller space. On big stages, who cares?

Bill L

"John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
news:10n5mah7l610d5a@corp.supernews.com...
> While a good majority of it is playing technique, often the way the drum
> set
> sounds and responds can control what techniques are used. If I was going
> to
> setup a kit for a jazz gig I would most likely use different heads,
> tuning,
> sticks and cymbals than if I was going to do a hard rock gig, etc. I
> think
> a lot of guys will get their sets setup for one particular style of music
> and then they are not prepared to switch gears when it would be
> appropriate.
> Trying to play lightly on a set that is setup for loud music can sound
> 'not
> good or right' to drummers so they may try to play at least loud enough to
> make the tone of the instrument sound 'right', and let other people worry
> about matching the volume. ( after all, every one else has a little knob
> they can use to control their volume, right? They can play physically as
> soft or loud as they need to and then adjust the loudness with their amp
> or
> PA )
>
> I'd ask your drummer if he is willing to experiment with his sound. Try a
> test recording of just him playing at what ever volume he is comfortable
> with. Then, if he is a particularly loud player, ask him to play about the
> same thing as soft as he can ( or if he's a soft drummer have him play
> loud ). Then both of you sit down and discuss what you each like and
> dislike about the TONE/SOUND of his drums, but NOT the volume. If the set
> doesn't 'sound' good at the non-standard playing force then that may be a
> good part of the reason the drummer is forcing a particular volume level.
> In that case you might suggest using different heads, tuning, sticks,
> cymbals, etc. If the tone is good at either volume then the drummer just
> needs to work on control.
>
> In general, for light/soft playing go with thinner/smaller/tighter and for
> loud playing go with thicker/larger/looser. ( regarding drum head, drum
> shell, cymbal and stick thickness / drum shell, stick size, and cymbal
> diameter / head tension and stick tip material or bass beater hardness )
>
> Depending on your relationship with the drummer, in particular if it's
> long
> term and you like him and his playing but he's too loud or soft, but he is
> resistant to changing offer to buy him a set of thinner or thicker heads
> so
> he can at least try it. ( it should only set you back less than $100,
> possibly only $50 ) $100 is cheap when compared to hearing loss,
> unacceptable gigs or trying to find another drummer.
>
> Of course you could always just can him and get a drummer you are happy
> with! ;-)
>
> Best of luck!
>
> John L Rice
> Drummer@ImJohn.com
>
>
>
> "Bill Lorentzen" <lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:keycd.5621$n81.1442@trnddc08...
>> Yeah, I agree. And I feel for drummers that the instruments are
>> inherently
>> so loud sometimes, but still some guys can play beautifully and
>> appropriately at lower volumes and other guys can't. Maybe it is the
>> gear.
>> Some snares are quieter than others I suppose. This is an area where I
> think
>> we need some new technological developments.
>>
>> Bill L
>>
>> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
>> news:10n3sma4lll0m2b@corp.supernews.com...
>> > There is a lot of good advice in what you say, and people who always
> play
>> > as
>> > loud as possible should take heed. But, playing at a low volume with
>> > any
>> > acoustic instrument is not 'always' appropriate or acceptable since the
>> > timbre of the instrument can drastically change over it's volume range
> and
>> > certain sounds that can usually only be obtained by playing near the
> upper
>> > volume level may be required or desirable for a particular piece of
> music.
>> >
>> > John L Rice
>> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
>> >
>> >
>> > "Bill Lorentzen" <lorentzn@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> > news:kFlcd.1564$7d7.885@trnddc04...
>> >> I really don't want to sound like a wise guy, and for all I know you
>> > already
>> >> do this, but in case you don't - for everybody's sake learn to play at
> a
>> >> decent volume. I've been playing guitar professionally for almost 30
>> > years,
>> >> and if there's one thing I really appreciate about a drummer, that
> makes
>> > me
>> >> want to hire him (or her if I knew any) over other players is when
>> >> they
>> > can
>> >> play with a good feel at a low volume. The guy I like to play with the
>> > most
>> >> uses a set with no shells. They sound decent, but he's such a great
>> >> player
>> > I
>> >> don't really care what the drums sound like. Plus they are easy for
>> >> him
>> >> to
>> >> transport.
>> >>
>> >> As an engineer I learned early on to play guitar quietly and to let
>> >> the
>> >> sound man mix. If everybody plays lower then the mix sounds so much
>> > better.
>> >>
>> >> BTW I have some tinitus, and playing on stages with loud drummers must
>> > have
>> >> contributed to it.
>> >>
>> >> OK I've said my piece. Have fun.
>> >>
>> >> Bill Lorentzen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "John L Rice" <Drummer@ImJohn.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:10n3l6r5bhcbtc2@corp.supernews.com...
>> >> > Hi Sam,
>> >> >
>> >> > I've used Superphones for years when recording myself playing drums
> and
>> > I
>> >> > would never go back to using 'normal' headphones. They isolate so
> well
>> >> > that
>> >> > I can keep the backing tracks and click at safe levels ( more often
>> >> > than
>> >> > not! ;-), but I do need to mix in a little of my drum sound so I can
>> > tell
>> >> > what I'm really doing.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd recommend just using 1 or maybe three mics for monitoring. Get
> at
>> >> > least
>> >> > one omni pattern condenser mic. I'd recommend an Audix TR-40 (
>> >> > under
>> > $200
>> >> > or you could try a Behringer ECM8000 for around $40 because it has a
>> >> > similar
>> >> > design but I haven't tried on myself ) Move the TR-40 or other omni
>> >> > around
>> >> > until it picks up the entire set as evenly as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you aren't getting enough bass drum add an Audio Technica ATM25 (
>> > about
>> >> > $140 ) inside of it about 3 or 4 inches away from the head.
>> >> >
>> >> > If you can get enough snare put a SM57 ( about $80 ) or possibly
> better
>> >> > yet
>> >> > a Beyer Dynamic M201 ( about $200 - this is what I've used on snare
> for
>> >> > years and really like it )
>> >> >
>> >> > Best of luck!
>> >> >
>> >> > John L Rice
>> >> > Drummer@ImJohn.com
>> >> >
>> >> > "Sam" <sam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> > newszicd.165$XE3.156645@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >> >> hi, right now i have my drumset in a very small room, i just go
> there
>> > to
>> >> >> practice not to play with anyone, not big enough.. i'd like to play
>> > along
>> >> > to
>> >> >> music but i've found that to do this i need to blast my music with
>> >> >> some
>> >> > pretty
>> >> >> decent speakers and wear earplugs that muffle everything (even the
> non
>> >> > custom
>> >> >> westones muffle). the other option is using headphones but the
>> >> >> drums
>> > are
>> >> > so
>> >> >> loud that to even hear the music playing i have to max the volume
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> my
>> >> >> headphones (audio technica m40fs) and thats definitely not good for
> my
>> >> > hearing,
>> >> >> PLUS, the music is clear but the drums are muffled.. sooo, i
>> >> >> decided
>> >> >> to
>> >> > look
>> >> >> into buying a pair of ultra isolating headphones (superphones) and
>> > micing
>> >> > my
>> >> >> drumset, i figure this would be the best way to play to music, have
> it
>> >> > sound
>> >> >> great, have the drums mix in seemlessly and protect my hearing at
> the
>> >> >> same
>> >> >> time.. has anyone tried this? are any of my assumptions incorrect?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> the question is, what mics should i get? i don't want to go and
> spend
>> >> > $2000 on
>> >> >> mics since i'm not actually going to be recording, but i'd like to
> get
>> >> > good
>> >> >> mics that i'll be able to use later on when i get my own place and
>> > really
>> >> > set
>> >> >> everything up for proper recording. would a beta 52 for the kick,
>> >> >> an
>> > sm57
>> >> > for
>> >> >> the snare and two sm57's as overheads do the trick? is a beta 52 a
>> >> >> good
>> >> > kick
>> >> >> mic? later on if i decide to get better overheads would the sm57's
>> >> >> work
>> >> > well as
>> >> >> individual tom mics? i'm mostly into modern rock, if i could have
> any
>> >> >> drum
>> >> >> sound it would be danny careys on lateralus. hope that helps
>> >> >>
>> >> >> thanks!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
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