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In article <38g6t1F5mloj1U1@individual.net>, kalev- <you.wish@duh.net> wrote:
> Trinity wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 23:04:27 -0500, Dave Dantos <ddantos@gsinet.net>
>> wrote:
>>> SP-4 looks pretty good so far.
>> Don't want to try Free Falcon3 then, huh?
Now now everyone! To distract you lot from your quarrel-business that
seems to fork from <1109594137.051053.190670@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
before things start getting daft, here's some quick thoughts of mine,
regarding the SP<->FF issue.
> Am I gonna get flamed for the below question.
If it escalates that far, maybe they'll just flame each other. Let us
fly low, sharp and focused and let other's do the dogfighting.
> What's the major diff in: a "SP5" vs "FF3 system" why do some seem to
> avoid the FF3 gettup..? What's "wrong" with FF3?
I don't know really. Don't we all wish we could all co-operate and have
one mod only, heavily configurable via F4Patch or some such. Obviously
we don't. I've seen some interviews (which, because i'm terribly llame,
cannot reference here because i didn't take note of where i saw them)
where the SP people (whatever that means) claim they've contacted the FF
people in the name of peace, but to no avail. If i understand anything
about inter-group relations and public relations among us humans of
planet earth, there are interviews somewhere with FF people (whatever
that means) repeating those same things. I'm honestly afraid that as
things evolve, the flavours might start getting further apart from one
another, with addons to each being more and more incompatible with the
/other/ flavour. I *really* hope i've got all this horridly, horridly
warped in my very own head, and the situation is in reality under
progress towards a jolly come-together!
From what i understand, some code from BMS was nicked at some point, and
put into CobraOne, which some people didn't like one bit. Maybe all
of this is just a load of BS (and i'm not referring to "BenchSims" here
(ha ha)) i've heard. Whether that would make the FF, or C1 people
rogues in a romantic way or 3v1( +err0r1$+z (with some nasty WMDs,
who knows), is a matter of taste.
I really ought to know better not to spread any unconfirmed
rumours like that, especially on online forums, where things start getting
rather hot all too easily. I mean no harm as you can hopefully read from
my posts, and if someone would wish to correct me, maybe that'd shed
some light into this for all of us. Yes, i've been concentrating my
reading more on tactics, how to work the F-16 and the sim itself and not
quite as much on "politics", which even seems to be a somewhat banned
topic on some the boards.
The CobraOne mod that sits on top of FreeFalcon has the BMS weather
turned back on, which i do fancy a great deal. I might start getting
into that multi-install hassle one day, i really, *really* would love to
have the weather back on. Now that Atari, the "Intellectual
Property" <pthui> owner of Falcon 4.0 has outlawed exe modding, i don't
see another version of BMS coming anytime soon. Shame on them!
My experience is that weather (or lack of) includes things like time of
the day too... blows.
I understand that Reality Patch 5, and High-Fidelity Flight Models are
both included in both flavours. I see RP5 as the absolutely most
important patch(set) of all times, accompanied by it's marvellous
documentation. Since both flavours, SP and FF have this, there's plenty
of common ground coming from there.
FF installation seems less like a mess to me by adding more glue.
In SP it's mostly the job of the user to know whether SP3 versions of
some theaters are ok to install on SP4 and all that.
Textures and skins come in n+1 flavours. There's one module to
F4Patch, TexMan, that's supposed to help in automation of this, but since
not all the skins/textures support it, it brings it's own part to the
mess.
I'm not complaining, though it sure sounds like it. This hassle is part
of the thrill. For me, the natural way to handle all this would
be the `cvs update falcon4 && cd falcon4 && ./configure && make && make
install´ workout. All in some nice copyleft, naturally, but i can only
speak for myself; other's are used to different tools.
Or no tools, even <evil grin>.
The bottom line here, the answer to your question what's "The Major
Diff" between them two flavours, i'd say it's the installation. I've
walked the SP path by chance. After reading some forums, i somehow got
the idea that SP is more popular, so i decided to give that a try first.
If i had read some other forums, i might be running FF instead. There
was no good reason for me to pick SP over FF, but i had to pick either.
Multi-install will come later, i thought.
> PS: I haven't played F4 in a looong time now..but considering it
I haven't really played any flightsims since Falcon 3.0 and Tornado, but
am now getting into Falcon 4.0. The tune i've danced to is:
0. Falcon 4.0 1.061
1. 1.08US paikka (f4108us.exe)
2. SuperPAK 4 (FalconSP4_Installer.zip)
3. SuperPAK 4.2 (Sp4.2_Hi-res.zip)
4. BMS2 (BMS2.zip)
5. SuperPAK 4.2 BMS data patch 1.0 (Sp4.2_BMS_DATA_v1.0.zip)
6. BMS2 radar fix (BMS2.0_radar_fix.zip)
Plus following candy:
- BaZT 1.1 (BaZT_-_Korea_v1.1_Installer.zip)
- Bushmaster's Sound Pack (Sounds.zip), from which i found some
lethally corrupted philez. See message-id
<421c3fe0$0$32193$39db0f71@news.song.fi>.
- Forgotten Textures for SP4.2+BMS (HiRes_ForgText_ForSP4.2+BMS.rar)
- Panther's F-16C Block 50/52 cockpit (panthersf16pit.zip), plus
three updates (Panther_F-16_updatev_1.zip,
panthers_f16_updateV2.zip and Panther_F-16_updatev_3.zip)
- Ayes, Daws and Tomas Hamarcak's F-16C 3D Superpit
(F16_3DSuperpit.exe)
And theaters Balkans, ODS, Israel, some nice kneemaps and a nice library
of documentation. BTW. it's astonishing how hard it is to find these
files to download. On the boards i read, Frugal's mostly[0], people
have posted links, but they've died. Haven't really found a
*comprehensive* repository, that would clearly indicate versionnumbers
too. I might install some more addons, if i knew whether they, or
equivalents were already included in the SuperPAK. Textures and such.
[0] at
http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?s=f2f1b675e27446f12d81d4786a311828&f=11
..mace --- +1+ +