The FACTS on terry schiavo

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Florida Statute 765.401 The proxy.--

(1) If an incapacitated or developmentally disabled patient [e.s.] has
not executed an advance directive, or designated a surrogate to execute
an advance directive, or the designated or alternate surrogate is no
longer available to make health care decisions, health care decisions
may be made for the patient by any of the following individuals, in the
following order of priority, if no individual in a prior class is
reasonably available, willing, or competent to act:

(a) The judicially appointed guardian of the patient or the guardian
advocate of the person having a developmental disability as defined in
s. 393.063, who has been authorized to consent to medical treatment, if
such guardian has previously been appointed; however, this paragraph
shall not be construed to require such appointment before a treatment
decision can be made under this subsection;

(b) The patient's spouse;

(c) An adult child of the patient, or if the patient has more than one
adult child, a majority of the adult children who are reasonably
available for consultation;

(d) A parent of the patient;

(e) The adult sibling of the patient or, if the patient has more than
one sibling, a majority of the adult siblings who are reasonably
available for consultation;

(f) An adult relative of the patient who has exhibited special care and
concern for the patient and who has maintained regular contact with the
patient and who is familiar with the patient's activities, health, and
religious or moral beliefs; or

(g) A close friend of the patient.

(h) A clinical social worker licensed pursuant to chapter 491, or who
is a graduate of a court-approved guardianship program. Such a proxy
must be selected by the provider's bioethics committee and must not be
employed by the provider. If the provider does not have a bioethics
committee, then such a proxy may be chosen through an arrangement with
the bioethics committee of another provider. The proxy will be notified
that, upon request, the provider shall make available a second
physician, not involved in the patient's care to assist the proxy in
evaluating treatment. Decisions to withhold or withdraw life-prolonging
procedures will be reviewed by the facility's bioethics committee.
Documentation of efforts to locate proxies from prior classes must be
recorded in the patient record.

(2) Any health care decision made under this part must be based on the
proxy's informed consent and on the decision the proxy reasonably
believes the patient would have made under the circumstances. If there
is no indication of what the patient would have chosen, the proxy may
consider the patient's best interest in deciding that proposed
treatments are to be withheld or that treatments currently in effect are
to be withdrawn. [e.s.]

(3) Before exercising the incapacitated patient's rights to select or
decline health care, the proxy must comply with the provisions of ss.
765.205 and 765.305, except that a proxy's decision to withhold or
withdraw life-prolonging procedures [e.s.] must be supported by clear
and convincing evidence that the decision would have been the one the
patient would have chosen had the patient been competent or, if there is
no indication of what the patient would have chosen, that the decision
is in the patient's best interest.

(4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt the
designation of persons who may consent to the medical care or treatment
of minors established pursuant to s. 743.0645.

History.--s. 5, ch. 92-199; s. 12, ch. 94-183; s. 32, ch. 99-331; s. 15,
ch. 2000-295; s. 7, ch. 2001-250; s. 136, ch. 2001-277; s. 13, ch.
2002-195; s. 5, ch. 2003-57.
 
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"artie beamer" <rufus@porter.com> wrote in message
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> Florida Statute 765.401 The proxy.--
>


Give it up already. She's gone on to a better place now, and best to leave
her rest in peace. IMHO better off this way.
 
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Why is this even a topic for the flightsim news group? What
a bunch of whackos... Sheesh.

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> "artie beamer" <rufus@porter.com> wrote in message
> news:mVC7e.64871$vL3.20605@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> Florida Statute 765.401 The proxy.--
>>
>
>
> Give it up already. She's gone on to a better place now, and best to leave
> her rest in peace. IMHO better off this way.
>
 
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Here are the FACTS:
Terri Shiavo was a law abiding citizen of the USA. She left no written
instructions on what her wishes would be if she ended up as she did.
Regardless, only OR has a right to die law which she would not have
qualified under.
Removing a feeding tube in her case was meant to kill her by starvation
and dehydration- and it did. Food and water are not a medicine and
withholding it was a death sentence in the cruelest sense. It is not a
medical treatment- it is a necessity of life. Even under FL law doing
so- a death sentence can not be construed by any normal observer as
"being in her best interests". The judicial branch of our government
issued the death sentence by ordering the withholding of necessities of
life in a civil case. She did not need respiratory assistance. She did
not need a pacemaker. She did not need dialysis. What she did need,
indeed what we all need is food and water to live. SHE WAS MURDERED BY
JUDICIAL ORDER. Her right to life is covered by Fed. disabilities law.
She was a disabled person and was killed because she did not seem to be
aware, was deemed as being in a persistant vegitative state, and was
ruled as having not wished to live in that state of being. I view it as
a wrongfull death under FL and US law. Never-the-less I am sure that
our congress will pass laws to prevent this from happening again to any
lawfull person without strict rules. OR right to die law is a model for
all states to adopt- indeed it should be covered by Federal laws.

artie beamer wrote:
> Florida Statute 765.401 The proxy.--
>
> (1) If an incapacitated or developmentally disabled patient [e.s.]
has
> not executed an advance directive, or designated a surrogate to
execute
> an advance directive, or the designated or alternate surrogate is no
> longer available to make health care decisions, health care decisions

> may be made for the patient by any of the following individuals, in
the
> following order of priority, if no individual in a prior class is
> reasonably available, willing, or competent to act:
>
> (a) The judicially appointed guardian of the patient or the guardian

> advocate of the person having a developmental disability as defined
in
> s. 393.063, who has been authorized to consent to medical treatment,
if
> such guardian has previously been appointed; however, this paragraph
> shall not be construed to require such appointment before a treatment

> decision can be made under this subsection;
>
> (b) The patient's spouse;
>
> (c) An adult child of the patient, or if the patient has more than
one
> adult child, a majority of the adult children who are reasonably
> available for consultation;
>
> (d) A parent of the patient;
>
> (e) The adult sibling of the patient or, if the patient has more
than
> one sibling, a majority of the adult siblings who are reasonably
> available for consultation;
>
> (f) An adult relative of the patient who has exhibited special care
and
> concern for the patient and who has maintained regular contact with
the
> patient and who is familiar with the patient's activities, health,
and
> religious or moral beliefs; or
>
> (g) A close friend of the patient.
>
> (h) A clinical social worker licensed pursuant to chapter 491, or
who
> is a graduate of a court-approved guardianship program. Such a proxy
> must be selected by the provider's bioethics committee and must not
be
> employed by the provider. If the provider does not have a bioethics
> committee, then such a proxy may be chosen through an arrangement
with
> the bioethics committee of another provider. The proxy will be
notified
> that, upon request, the provider shall make available a second
> physician, not involved in the patient's care to assist the proxy in
> evaluating treatment. Decisions to withhold or withdraw
life-prolonging
> procedures will be reviewed by the facility's bioethics committee.
> Documentation of efforts to locate proxies from prior classes must be

> recorded in the patient record.
>
> (2) Any health care decision made under this part must be based on
the
> proxy's informed consent and on the decision the proxy reasonably
> believes the patient would have made under the circumstances. If
there
> is no indication of what the patient would have chosen, the proxy may

> consider the patient's best interest in deciding that proposed
> treatments are to be withheld or that treatments currently in effect
are
> to be withdrawn. [e.s.]
>
> (3) Before exercising the incapacitated patient's rights to select
or
> decline health care, the proxy must comply with the provisions of ss.

> 765.205 and 765.305, except that a proxy's decision to withhold or
> withdraw life-prolonging procedures [e.s.] must be supported by clear

> and convincing evidence that the decision would have been the one the

> patient would have chosen had the patient been competent or, if there
is
> no indication of what the patient would have chosen, that the
decision
> is in the patient's best interest.
>
> (4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt the
> designation of persons who may consent to the medical care or
treatment
> of minors established pursuant to s. 743.0645.
>
> History.--s. 5, ch. 92-199; s. 12, ch. 94-183; s. 32, ch. 99-331; s.
15,
> ch. 2000-295; s. 7, ch. 2001-250; s. 136, ch. 2001-277; s. 13, ch.
> 2002-195; s. 5, ch. 2003-57.
 
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Stocky,

Plese take your mdicationas directed by your doctor.


<Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Here are the FACTS:
> Terri Shiavo was a law abiding citizen of the USA. She left no written
> instructions on what her wishes would be if she ended up as she did.
> Regardless, only OR has a right to die law which she would not have
> qualified under.
> Removing a feeding tube in her case was meant to kill her by starvation
> and dehydration- and it did. Food and water are not a medicine and
> withholding it was a death sentence in the cruelest sense. It is not a
> medical treatment- it is a necessity of life. Even under FL law doing
> so- a death sentence can not be construed by any normal observer as
> "being in her best interests". The judicial branch of our government
> issued the death sentence by ordering the withholding of necessities of
> life in a civil case. She did not need respiratory assistance. She did
> not need a pacemaker. She did not need dialysis. What she did need,
> indeed what we all need is food and water to live. SHE WAS MURDERED BY
> JUDICIAL ORDER. Her right to life is covered by Fed. disabilities law.
> She was a disabled person and was killed because she did not seem to be
> aware, was deemed as being in a persistant vegitative state, and was
> ruled as having not wished to live in that state of being. I view it as
> a wrongfull death under FL and US law. Never-the-less I am sure that
> our congress will pass laws to prevent this from happening again to any
> lawfull person without strict rules. OR right to die law is a model for
> all states to adopt- indeed it should be covered by Federal laws.
>
> artie beamer wrote:
>> Florida Statute 765.401 The proxy.--
>>
>> (1) If an incapacitated or developmentally disabled patient [e.s.]
> has
>> not executed an advance directive, or designated a surrogate to
> execute
>> an advance directive, or the designated or alternate surrogate is no
>> longer available to make health care decisions, health care decisions
>
>> may be made for the patient by any of the following individuals, in
> the
>> following order of priority, if no individual in a prior class is
>> reasonably available, willing, or competent to act:
>>
>> (a) The judicially appointed guardian of the patient or the guardian
>
>> advocate of the person having a developmental disability as defined
> in
>> s. 393.063, who has been authorized to consent to medical treatment,
> if
>> such guardian has previously been appointed; however, this paragraph
>> shall not be construed to require such appointment before a treatment
>
>> decision can be made under this subsection;
>>
>> (b) The patient's spouse;
>>
>> (c) An adult child of the patient, or if the patient has more than
> one
>> adult child, a majority of the adult children who are reasonably
>> available for consultation;
>>
>> (d) A parent of the patient;
>>
>> (e) The adult sibling of the patient or, if the patient has more
> than
>> one sibling, a majority of the adult siblings who are reasonably
>> available for consultation;
>>
>> (f) An adult relative of the patient who has exhibited special care
> and
>> concern for the patient and who has maintained regular contact with
> the
>> patient and who is familiar with the patient's activities, health,
> and
>> religious or moral beliefs; or
>>
>> (g) A close friend of the patient.
>>
>> (h) A clinical social worker licensed pursuant to chapter 491, or
> who
>> is a graduate of a court-approved guardianship program. Such a proxy
>> must be selected by the provider's bioethics committee and must not
> be
>> employed by the provider. If the provider does not have a bioethics
>> committee, then such a proxy may be chosen through an arrangement
> with
>> the bioethics committee of another provider. The proxy will be
> notified
>> that, upon request, the provider shall make available a second
>> physician, not involved in the patient's care to assist the proxy in
>> evaluating treatment. Decisions to withhold or withdraw
> life-prolonging
>> procedures will be reviewed by the facility's bioethics committee.
>> Documentation of efforts to locate proxies from prior classes must be
>
>> recorded in the patient record.
>>
>> (2) Any health care decision made under this part must be based on
> the
>> proxy's informed consent and on the decision the proxy reasonably
>> believes the patient would have made under the circumstances. If
> there
>> is no indication of what the patient would have chosen, the proxy may
>
>> consider the patient's best interest in deciding that proposed
>> treatments are to be withheld or that treatments currently in effect
> are
>> to be withdrawn. [e.s.]
>>
>> (3) Before exercising the incapacitated patient's rights to select
> or
>> decline health care, the proxy must comply with the provisions of ss.
>
>> 765.205 and 765.305, except that a proxy's decision to withhold or
>> withdraw life-prolonging procedures [e.s.] must be supported by clear
>
>> and convincing evidence that the decision would have been the one the
>
>> patient would have chosen had the patient been competent or, if there
> is
>> no indication of what the patient would have chosen, that the
> decision
>> is in the patient's best interest.
>>
>> (4) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preempt the
>> designation of persons who may consent to the medical care or
> treatment
>> of minors established pursuant to s. 743.0645.
>>
>> History.--s. 5, ch. 92-199; s. 12, ch. 94-183; s. 32, ch. 99-331; s.
> 15,
>> ch. 2000-295; s. 7, ch. 2001-250; s. 136, ch. 2001-277; s. 13, ch.
>> 2002-195; s. 5, ch. 2003-57.
>
 
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leadfoot wrote:
> Stocky,
>
> Plese take your mdicationas directed by your doctor.

Assuming you meant to say "medications" - I do. But what are you on
with spelling that far off? Does your left hand fingers know what your
right hand is doing? Or are your toes also getting in the act? Don't be
shy, if you are trying to be nasty just call me names.
 
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<Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> leadfoot wrote:
>> Stocky,
>>
>> Plese take your mdicationas directed by your doctor.
>
> Assuming you meant to say "medications" - I do. But what are you on
> with spelling that far off? Does your left hand fingers know what your
> right hand is doing? Or are your toes also getting in the act? Don't be
> shy, if you are trying to be nasty just call me names.

I can spell, I just can't type
>
 
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leadfoot wrote:
> <Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1113601762.420367.14270@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > leadfoot wrote:
> >> Stocky,
> >>
> >> Plese take your mdicationas directed by your doctor.
> >
> > Assuming you meant to say "medications" - I do. But what are you on
> > with spelling that far off? Does your left hand fingers know what
your
> > right hand is doing? Or are your toes also getting in the act?
Don't be
> > shy, if you are trying to be nasty just call me names.
>
> I can spell, I just can't type

We all have our shortcomings.
I could be rich, I just can't seem to make money.
I can type, I just can't read.
I could be nice, the bug I am sitting on just won't let me.
>From your name you seem to have a heavy foot.
 
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Stockman91790@yahoo.com wrote:

> Here are the FACTS:
> Terri Shiavo was a law abiding citizen of the USA.

And the courts decided what to do for the best.
 
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Whoo wrote:
> Stockman91790@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Here are the FACTS:
> > Terri Shiavo was a law abiding citizen of the USA.
>
> And the courts decided what to do for the best.

For the "best" of whom? She did no wrong and the courts decided to
murder her. How would you tolerate the courts deciding to murder you
and have me say it is for the "best" for you? The courts were wrong and
what bothers me the most is how many people can not see it and in fact
defend it.
But then, she was disabled, had lived long enough, wasn't aware, was
not a productive member of society, and was a burden on people- a
horrible crime in our society calling for her murder in the cruelest
way possible. But she is just one person and who could care about her
with all the people getting killed each day? I care.
 
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Canuck wrote:
> Well it is difficult to be anything BUT law abiding considering she
was in a
> coma.

A coma is a different condition than a persistant veg. state. If she
had been in a coma it would have been even more outrageous to kill her.

Hope she remembered to pay her taxes though.
> Let her Rest In Peace for heavens sake.

Her husband probably made that decision for her also- joint return to
save money.

May we all RIP someday- but let us all live a full life while we are
here.
 

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Well it is difficult to be anything BUT law abiding considering she was in a
coma. Hope she remembered to pay her taxes though.
Let her Rest In Peace for heavens sake.

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> Stockman91790@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Here are the FACTS:
>> Terri Shiavo was a law abiding citizen of the USA.
>
> And the courts decided what to do for the best.
>
 
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We can only hope Stockman.

<Stockman91790@yahoo.com> wrote in message With your disabled brain,
> evidenced by your ignorant statements, you are next.
>