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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 1:46:19 PM

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For older flight sims I just bought the final component for my Windows 98
box for playing those older games. Most of this stuff is stuff I've
collected over the last couple of years with spare change or trading stuff
with other people. But I can finally have a 1999 and prior box that will
have a native 3Dfx card and Windows 98SE.

Anyways, here's the setup:

(1) Shuttle SN41G2
http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/brb_OverView...
(2) Ahtlon XP 1800+
(3) 512MB Crucial PC 2100 DDR
(4) Voodoo 5500 AGP (yay!)
(5) Onboard ALC650 5.1 audio
(6) 45GB Ultra 100 HD
(7) 15" LCD ProView Monitor (1024x768)

Flight Gear:
(1) CH Fighterstick USB
(2) CH Pro Pedals USB
(3) CH Pro Throttle USB
(4) Saitek PC Dash 2 (also known as P8000)

I plan on adding all the classics:

- Jane's Sims:
- ATF Gold
- Longbow 2
- F-15
- USAF
- IAF
- Fleet command
- WWII Fighters
- 688(i)
- F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)
- Comanche 4
- Total Air War
- MiG Alley
- F/A-18 Korea
- Flanker 2.0
- European Air War
- A-10 Cuba!
- B-17 Flying Fortress The Mighty 8th
- Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
- Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2 (love that one)
- EEAH/EECH (however I have that running great on my current PC)
- Falcon 4 1.08 (yes, yes, yes I know there's SP4 and FF3, but that's for my
newer machine)
- Flying Corps Gold
- Red Baron II (3D)

And a few other non-flight sims:
- Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed
- Descent 2
- Descent 3
- Crimson Skies

If anyone has any suggestions before I deep dive into this project, I'd
greatly appreciate it. Most appreciative would be if anyone knows if there
is a trick to get some of these sims running without the CD. I would LOVE to
be able to run all of this without the need for a CD. I think I have no-CD
fixes for most, but not sure about others. Hopefully the AthlonXP is
powerful enough for everything. I also hope that a 45GB HD will be enough! I
may have to consider going to an 80GB HD (just don't want to blow more money
than I have to), but most of these are less than 500MB installed, so we will
see.

My ultimate goal is to find an inexpensive used projector and use that in a
simple mocked up cockpit. I could retire and play these until I'm dead (and
I'm only 32). But for now the 15" LCD will have to do. I have a 19" KDS
Trinitron monitor as well, but unless this thing will be stationary, I hate
to have to lug a 19" monitor around.

Thanks!
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 1:46:20 PM

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 09:46:19 -0400, "HockeyTownUSA"
<magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote:


>(7) 15" LCD ProView Monitor (1024x768)

> - F-15

JF15 won't look so great on that LCD running at 640x480. I would try
to get a CRT monitor if I was you. I've ran JF15 on my 17" 1280x1024
LCD and it looks horrid at 640x480 due to interpolation. Luckily, I
have another PC with a good old fashioned 19" CRT.
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 4:03:20 PM

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"HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:j5-dnTkU4I0TzPffRVn-2Q@comcast.com...
> For older flight sims I just bought the final component for my Windows 98
> box for playing those older games. Most of this stuff is stuff I've
> collected over the last couple of years with spare change or trading stuff
> with other people. But I can finally have a 1999 and prior box that will
> have a native 3Dfx card and Windows 98SE.
>
> Anyways, here's the setup:
>
> (1) Shuttle SN41G2
> http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/brb_OverView...
> (2) Ahtlon XP 1800+
> (3) 512MB Crucial PC 2100 DDR
> (4) Voodoo 5500 AGP (yay!)
> (5) Onboard ALC650 5.1 audio
> (6) 45GB Ultra 100 HD
> (7) 15" LCD ProView Monitor (1024x768)
>
> Flight Gear:
> (1) CH Fighterstick USB
> (2) CH Pro Pedals USB
> (3) CH Pro Throttle USB
> (4) Saitek PC Dash 2 (also known as P8000)
>
> I plan on adding all the classics:
>
> - Jane's Sims:
> - ATF Gold
> - Longbow 2
> - F-15
> - USAF
> - IAF
> - Fleet command
> - WWII Fighters
> - 688(i)
> - F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)
> - Comanche 4
> - Total Air War
> - MiG Alley
> - F/A-18 Korea
> - Flanker 2.0
> - European Air War
> - A-10 Cuba!
> - B-17 Flying Fortress The Mighty 8th
> - Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
> - Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2 (love that one)
> - EEAH/EECH (however I have that running great on my current PC)
> - Falcon 4 1.08 (yes, yes, yes I know there's SP4 and FF3, but that's for
> my newer machine)
> - Flying Corps Gold
> - Red Baron II (3D)
>
> And a few other non-flight sims:
> - Need for Speed Porsche Unleashed
> - Descent 2
> - Descent 3
> - Crimson Skies
>
> If anyone has any suggestions before I deep dive into this project, I'd
> greatly appreciate it. Most appreciative would be if anyone knows if there
> is a trick to get some of these sims running without the CD. I would LOVE
> to be able to run all of this without the need for a CD. I think I have
> no-CD fixes for most, but not sure about others. Hopefully the AthlonXP is
> powerful enough for everything. I also hope that a 45GB HD will be enough!
> I may have to consider going to an 80GB HD (just don't want to blow more
> money than I have to), but most of these are less than 500MB installed, so
> we will see.
>
> My ultimate goal is to find an inexpensive used projector and use that in
> a simple mocked up cockpit. I could retire and play these until I'm dead
> (and I'm only 32). But for now the 15" LCD will have to do. I have a 19"
> KDS Trinitron monitor as well, but unless this thing will be stationary, I
> hate to have to lug a 19" monitor around.

I've seen plans for building projectors from 15" LCD monitos on the web. I
haven't tried any of them., but here's a link, to some thing I'd like to
try.

http://www20.tomshardware.com/howto/20041113/index.html.

>
> Thanks!
>

Good Luck, and have fun
Athos
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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 7:02:43 PM

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SB card versus that onboard one?
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 7:02:44 PM

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"4-Example" <Id-rather@n0t.say> wrote in message
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> SB card versus that onboard one?
>

Well, in my experience, onboard audio works fine, and is not as big of a CPU
hit as previously thought. At worst, probably a 10% hit, but from my
experience 5% or less hit to frame rate. If I was running the latest games
on it, I would definitely consider it, however as I peruse the system
requirements of these games, I realize that most of these games require a
800MHz processor at most, I think the 1800+ won't suffer.

Thanks though. I do have an older SB16 sound card, but don't know if that
will be any better than the onboard one.
Anonymous
April 24, 2005 1:26:07 AM

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"HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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> - ATF Gold
> - A-10 Cuba!

These two will also run fine on a current system with XP.

> - F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)

Although I still think it looks best on a Voodoo 5.

> - MiG Alley
> - B-17 Flying Fortress The Mighty 8th
> - Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2 (love that one)
> - Crimson Skies

I don't know why you'd want to run these on a retro box since they run
better on the latest hardware.


> - Falcon 4 1.08 (yes, yes, yes I know there's SP4 and FF3, but that's for
> my newer machine)

Falcon 4 1.08 with RP5 works great with a Voodoo 5.
April 24, 2005 11:19:03 AM

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"mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in news:LdFae.1943$pk5.1528
@fed1read02:

>> - F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)
>
> Although I still think it looks best on a Voodoo 5.

Why? It's a D3D game, not glide. Now F-15, big difference.

Chuck

--
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Anonymous
April 24, 2005 12:37:52 PM

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"mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "HockeyTownUSA" <magma@killspam.comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:j5-dnTkU4I0TzPffRVn-2Q@comcast.com...
>
>> - ATF Gold
>> - A-10 Cuba!
>
> These two will also run fine on a current system with XP.
>
>> - F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)
>
> Although I still think it looks best on a Voodoo 5.
>
>> - MiG Alley
>> - B-17 Flying Fortress The Mighty 8th
>> - Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 2 (love that one)
>> - Crimson Skies
>
> I don't know why you'd want to run these on a retro box since they run
> better on the latest hardware.
>
>
>> - Falcon 4 1.08 (yes, yes, yes I know there's SP4 and FF3, but that's for
>> my newer machine)
>
> Falcon 4 1.08 with RP5 works great with a Voodoo 5.
>


Thanks for your input. I know some of these will run great on a modern PC,
but I want to capture as many as I can that will run on this hardware since
I will be setting up a "flight sim station" to play these on. The few sims
that "need" my current PC system is IL-2/Pacific Fighters, LO-MAC, and
Falcon 4 with FF3.
April 24, 2005 3:19:10 PM

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"mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
>
> Falcon 4 1.08 with RP5 works great with a Voodoo 5.



But only if you're not using a DirectX version above 6, is that right ?
Iirc, F4 had problems with dx above 6 until eRazor's patches.
Anonymous
April 24, 2005 8:13:55 PM

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"Chuck" <Nonyabiz@all.com> wrote in message
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> "mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in news:LdFae.1943$pk5.1528
> @fed1read02:
>
>>> - F/A-18 (however that will probably run best on my current machine)
>>
>> Although I still think it looks best on a Voodoo 5.
>
> Why? It's a D3D game, not glide.

I think I just preferred the drabber colors of the V5 and the HUD was still
easy to read while using 4X FSAA . I never was happy with how it looked on
my GF4 ti4200 but much happier now that I have an ATI 9800 Pro.
Anonymous
April 24, 2005 8:31:50 PM

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"JP" <jp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in message
> news:LdFae.1943$pk5.1528@fed1read02...
> <snip>
>>
>> Falcon 4 1.08 with RP5 works great with a Voodoo 5.
>
>
>
> But only if you're not using a DirectX version above 6, is that right ?
> Iirc, F4 had problems with dx above 6 until eRazor's patches.
>
I'm using 9.0c
April 25, 2005 1:02:51 AM

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"mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JP" <jp@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:VHPae.152$ng3.1570@eagle.america.net...
> >
> > "mbeaver" <mbeaver14@no.spam.cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:LdFae.1943$pk5.1528@fed1read02...
> > <snip>
> >>
> >> Falcon 4 1.08 with RP5 works great with a Voodoo 5.
> >
> >
> >
> > But only if you're not using a DirectX version above 6, is that right ?
> > Iirc, F4 had problems with dx above 6 until eRazor's patches.
> >
> I'm using 9.0c


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