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July 20, 2003 7:34:28 PM

Any oppinions about this cammera???
Thank you in advance

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July 21, 2003 6:44:37 AM

One of the best cameras for the price range. Nothing much to dislike about the camera. It was perfected over 3 generations, so all the quirks should be out. (A10/20, A30/40, A60/70.) It has manual mode which is not available on many cameras in the same class at the A70. Manual mode is excellent for nighttime scenery pictures. www.dcresource.com www.dpreview.com are two good sites to look at digicam. DC resource's editor (jeff keller) says it the way it is. If he doesn't like it, he'd made sure it was heard.
July 22, 2003 12:33:29 AM

Only complaint is, as some review sites has shown in their sample pics and review, it tends to smear or blur some details. I noticed it wasn't as completely sharp as other less expensive cams, however this is the ultimate level IMO for excellent priced 3.2MP digicams, has tons of features.

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July 23, 2003 3:29:37 AM

There is very few cameras that doesn't have purple fringing or image distoration. When compared to other cameras in this price range, this one has the most features for the money.
July 24, 2003 5:43:26 PM

I never spoke of distortion or purple fringing, I am talking about the muddy detail sometimes found. Also, Imaging Ressource found it has very bad red-eye problems, even with Red-eye reduction on.

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July 25, 2003 10:23:16 PM

I recently bought an Hp 3 mpix camera for $185 in a closeout sale. It has the shortcoming of a max (SD) 128mb memory stick, about 100 pics in hi res mode, but for the price it was a good buy and the picture quality is as good as the canon.

Digital cameras still suck indoors when compared to good 35mm cameras. There are no decent optics upgrades or connections for external flash etc.

Just keep your eyes open. Remember the memory sticks are expensive
July 26, 2003 5:00:23 AM

There ARE Flash AND Lens connectivity add-ons. Some digicams DO allow it, like the A70.

As for indoors, dunno what to say, but the A70 is a true performer at extremely low light settings. It's although a matter of long shutter times.

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July 26, 2003 5:53:53 AM

i have a cannon A70 myself and i can say its VERY nice.

comming from a hobby photographer, used to using a fully manual SLR camera. i must say that the features and ease of use of the A70 are fantastic.

RED EYE, yes the cannon sucks at red eye reduction i have Many Many evil devil pics of myself and friends.

however i am a graphics designer and with a little PS or GIMP i can have a fully fixed face in a few minutes.

what was funny is when i took a photo of a friend the flash was so powerfull that when i was taking the photo and looking at her, i could see her red-eye with my naked eyes LOL.


other than that, the camera does have a slight distortion of shape around the edges of things (as shown in the grid test at the reviewing places that were linked to)

i have yet to see the purple fringe on things.


other than that its VERY VERY good. i am mighty pleased with it, it has cepear, B/W, and a few other saturation settings, it has moive mode, (nice but not for film makers LOL) its function modes such as night shot, action shot, etc... are very nice.

only crit about taking photos is it has a very big delay between pressing the button and taking the photo, and it doesn't always focus on the subject you are trying to focus it on in auto mode, and the screen would be to small to see if its in focus (although it does provide a square to show where its focusing so you can tell if its right before the photo is taken.


but yeah for budget its nice.


Alltaken
July 26, 2003 9:13:29 PM

Quote:
Digital cameras still suck indoors when compared to good 35mm cameras. There are no decent optics upgrades or connections for external flash etc.

WTF?!?! I really hope you're just talking about the cheapest digital cameras. There are digital camera equivalents for pretty much every type of 35mm camera. From your most basic, up to digital SLRs. Nikon D100, Canon EOS 10D, etc, are digital cameras that do everything a film SLR will do.


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July 28, 2003 3:41:43 AM

"sigh"
My dad suggested he will actually pay the extra to get the A70, over the D-560 from Olympus.
I was pretty happy, but I had doubts. The cam's got excellent features. But upon looking again and again and in different websites, at the pictures, I can't help but feel they are sub-par. It's true, the picture has lots of "muddied" areas like the grass and trees. I found that the Olympus (yes!) is sharper.
Someone agree before I go thinking my overall good vision is going wrong!

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July 28, 2003 4:59:13 AM

Olympus D-560 is all automatic though, which limits features considerably. Manual mode comes in real handy at times (trust me, I've used it.)
July 28, 2003 2:01:12 PM

I found Canon IXUS V3 at a local shop. on paper it looks good, but I was unable to find any rewievs about on any sites. Does any one of you have such a cam?
July 28, 2003 10:27:54 PM

I know that, I've read tons of reviews on all digicams I've considered. And that is besides the point. What good are those features if my image in my eyes is simply NOT as good?

Somebody double-check for me.

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July 29, 2003 7:09:10 PM

This had got to be the most nervous purchase I've ever been through, having to choose between two cameras switching features back and forth. (price aside)
I have an almost certain feeling I will buy one, and regret not getting the other, whichever it ends up being.

On one hand Olympus wins hands down the detail, especially DYNAMIC RANGE, which is noticeably weaker in the Imaging Ressource test results, for the A70. And this is exactly what the "muddy/blurry" problems are. On the other hand, feature-wise and even simply fun usability goes to the Canon for having sound options, background options and the myriad of features. On the special hand, Canon offers excellent night shots and has an AF Illuminator.

But the problem is, it's all great but in the end, the image quality is the most important factor in a digicam, and no feature in that Canon will fix the bad dynamic range AFAIK.

On the Olympus hand as well, you only need 2 batteries, which saves me some money. It does downsize the time of use by 2x , but I am no LCD surfer that stays for hours on it, so 102 minutes is plentiful for a "with LCD" mode. Heck, with no LCD, it lasts 190 hours, more than 10 times the Canon without LCD.
Not to mention it has a nice 1.8" LCD (I'll give it a test drive this weekend when I go to Future Shop and test the two digicams more carefully), though with 85K pixels only.

So, as you can all see, it is troublesome. I am really lost in what I should go for. I am tempted as hell to get the A70, despite the smaller LCD which I don't like, but the image quality suffers from bad dynamic range which muddies up trees and grass the most. (as well as having BAD red-eye even with Red-Eye reduction AND lots of purple fringing as seen clearly <A HREF="http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_a70-r..." target="_new">here</A> [you can see both the muddy scenery and the purple fringing.) One wonders if perhaps a new firmware version is possible and available that could help this.

:eek: 

EDIT: If some A70 owner could provide some shots (maybe he might have a better firmware or such), of nature and people in the picture (I've yet to see that in reviews for it, and my goal is to find more pics showing family pics or people in it to see how it displays their skin tones, brightness and detail), I'd appreciate it.
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July 29, 2003 8:02:20 PM

[smartass comment]

Well, ya know, if you'd gotten off your butt and gotten a job this summer, you'd have more money and then you could get a better cam than either of them.

[/smartass comment]

32 days and counting.....
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July 29, 2003 8:47:30 PM

*cries uncontrollably* Meanie Ruben-wannabe!

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July 29, 2003 8:53:19 PM

Uh-oh, I'm a meanie now. Great, are we going to have to get you your own school now, too, Ede? Like the gay kids. And your own forum, so you won't have to put with meanies?

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July 29, 2003 9:19:18 PM

LOL, methinks YOU should get YOUR own school, mr. Ruben-lover. Yeah yeah, a school for Ruber-wannabeees! You like the sweaty smell of his fans just like him! :tongue:

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July 29, 2003 11:09:01 PM

Sheesh, I point out the REAL Ruben-lover and you still won't stop busting my chops about that mofo. I just don't get it.

Ya bastard!

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July 30, 2003 1:01:18 AM

On a more serious note, somebody help me with my digicam problem, I'm about to bust a cap!

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July 30, 2003 1:30:16 AM

Well, if I could make ya do something, it'd be to save up for something more like the Olympus C5050.

But that would require going back to the job discussion and making you have to tell us all to leave you the hell alone about the summer job peer pressure. :wink:

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July 30, 2003 11:58:54 PM

What's your digicam Aub?

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July 31, 2003 2:18:29 AM

Well I have an Olympus that's a 2 or 3 years old. Don't recall the model at the time and I don't feel like getting it out of the closet, to be honest. I'm waiting til I can afford a real digital like a Nikon D100 or something (i.e. an slr). That's the only kind of camera I'm really willing to spend money on. My digital was a hand-me down.

Have used my dad's D100 and Olympus D5050, though.

Anything other than an SLR (film or digital) isn't going to give me what I need.

31 days and counting.....
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July 31, 2003 10:03:35 AM

http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/lifedrawing.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/nick.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug2.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug3s.jpg



there are some photos taken with the A70

they are shrunk down but i'll look at the big version zoomed right in (on my ICC adjusted 19" flatscreen, so its correct colour) to see if they have bad edges.


the only bad thing you may be able to see is the REDEYE, some of them may not have had the red-eye reduction on, but honestly with red-eye removal it still coms out pretty red.

ok here are some FULL SIZED ones that i uploaded for you (you better thank me coz i'm on a 56K and these are straight from the camera LOL)


warning big files

http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0001.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0002.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0066.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/101_0142.JPG


ok now i didn't see any issues on those ones really (except crap photographer)

so i hope that helps.


Alltaken
July 31, 2003 11:26:41 PM

Holy crap the third high-res pic is infested by the red-eye! :eek: 

That seriously does make things bad.

Other than that, image quality is ok. I could've settled better with 1024*768 pics btw, since I don't use a bigger res, and regular 3Mpix pics are just huge and non-sharp. Anyways, thanks for the upload!

Man that still makes me too confused. My points on why I think each has goods still stand, so either way, I am still just annoyed by how I can't choose a more perfected camera. (image quality medium for A70 yet it has excellent night shots) Shame every night shot test they do has to use long shutter speeds. I just want to see if the A70, using fast shutter like 0.5sec at night, at ISO400 can actually do a good job still. If it doesn't, I think I might settle with the Olympus since it won't be that different.

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July 31, 2003 11:27:34 PM

I saw the C5050 at Imaging Ressource, dear god it's almost only positive! This is like a really nice digicam and prolly indeed one of the best for its range.

No I ain't workin' for THAT... :wink:

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August 1, 2003 4:41:02 AM

Hey, don't blame me. I've tried to tell ya.

30 days and counting.....
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August 1, 2003 4:42:25 AM

Hmm you seem to have lots of pics, of friends and such. Dunno if you're one of them.

But if you are in one of them pics, was wondering if you wouldn't mind getting them into the THGC album? I'd appreciate it as part of making the Album community grow, and what better people to ask than the digicam freaks! :wink:

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August 2, 2003 4:40:35 AM

the pic probably didn't have red-eye removal turned on.

i don't really use it.

and BTW you need full res to see the edges of things otherwise its scaled down and averaged, defeating the purpose.


Alltaken
August 2, 2003 8:56:25 PM

Hey dude, just wonderin' if you had read my post above?

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August 3, 2003 12:12:14 PM

yeah ok i saw that, and i was one of the guys LOL. Long blond tiped hair LOL

ok the red-eye reduction works BRILLIENTLY i have some photos i took with my A70 and the eyes are almost perfect except for a tiny tiny redish hint.

i will upload if you need


oh and i'll put somthing on the comunity album some time soon

Alltaken
August 3, 2003 9:08:59 PM

Yeah, one pic or two with R-E reduction would be swell. You don't need to make them at 3.2Mpix size though, 1024*768 is more than fine (and often is more than twice smaller).

So the blond haired fool is Alltaken, heheh. :wink:

R-E wouldn't be a problem if the reduction works to reduce it to minimal, I'll say. No digicam so far in my price range can display no R-E. But it's just the reviews that said the R-E reduction lamp didn't do jack. In any case I believe the trick they often ask you to do, is not look at the flash, stare slightly away from it.

So I went yesterday to FutureShop and had a much more in-depth hands-on on the digicams. Asked them to pop a mem card in the Olympus (wanted to do it on the A70 but the guy waited a good while as I tried the Olympus that I bet he got pretty tired and would kill me if I asked to try the A70 more :tongue: hehe) and got to really try it out. I liked the 1.8" screen, heck the 85 000 pixels are unnoticeable, it's almost as sharp as the 50% more detailed 1.5" screens that bear ~120 000, like the Sony DSCP-71. However I always thought the A70's was rather weak (set aside the menu display, as it was extremely readable and by far the best), and I just checked on Canon's site, apparently I was wrong, it's 78000 pixels, far less than usual. I did notice it being a tad less detailed when it was in record mode, but it was still more than fine IMO, just sometimes liked to go out of focus and brighten too much before adjusting and creating blurry images.
Now, so far, it seems to me the A70 is the way to go. While I still find the D-560Z's image quality to be sharper, the A70's features are wise and plentiful (and fun), and it has AF illumination with excellent night shots. What I am thinking is most likely that Photoshopping will be needed in any landscape shot I deem needed to be important.
So, there is likely a high chance of the A70 being the buy. I am buying this Saturday, so we'll see. That had better be worth the 499$ CDN spent on the cam alone.

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August 12, 2003 2:38:12 AM

Well, I went and got the A70!

Never found so much fun in such a small package. Movie mode is nothing short of stunning. High-Quality and really allows a lot to be seen. Too bad it's in friggin' AVI. Will have to find converters.

Image quality is ok and sometimes impressive. It's the functionality that will make them awesome. So I am trying to tamper around, as I can find a lot of sweet spots. Night shot mode impressed me.

All in all, definitely worth the price, and I bought a 128MB card. Will prolly return it for a 256MB one that costs the very same (60$) at Costco!

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August 12, 2003 9:02:21 AM

yeah i bought a 128 card for about $35

it has yet to run out.

as for convertors they are easy to find, what do you want to convert them into. (p.s. they are not actually avi's of you don't want them to be, they are ".thm" or somthing, and can be watched in quicktime.

but it think thats with funny software downloady crap, they are converted to avi automatically on download i belive.


Alltaken (but yes its a damn nice camera)
August 12, 2003 9:10:41 AM

Congrats! Getting a digital camera is great. It makes taking regular day to day pictures a lot more easy and fun.

After taking 20 rolls of film and barely getting any good pictures I am a big believer in digital.

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August 13, 2003 5:36:48 AM

Totally man.

It's great that I can immediatly fetch friends pics, or show family things they want to see. Plus the movie mode is outstanding, I can really show a lot.

Besides, our film camera had a burnt glass for the flash! (you'd see some burn marks on the cover of the flash), and low-light shots were horrible.

Now it's a totally different thing. I haven't even run into red-eye problems yet.

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August 13, 2003 5:39:21 AM

Yeah, they are AVI on the comp. Would be nice to have some compression converter. Dunno what is better compressed and can be read by most WMP players. DivX would ask for Codec.
12 seconds for ~12MB of 640*480 just isn't too nice.

My only qualm so far is the download speed. The USB seems to lag a bit, and doesn't look like it does 600KB/sec.

One thing though, the camera does have a learning curve. It can be a point n' shoot, but the AUTO function has problems IMO. You HAVE to spend time playing around, learning what it can do, to get the right pics anytime. It's harder, but I like it.

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August 13, 2003 6:46:02 AM

I suck at using my camera. I admit it. I have seen what can be done with it but I haven't reproduced it.

Olympus at least has tutorials and guides to do some snazy stuff. I'm sure Canon has the same thing.

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August 14, 2003 6:10:46 AM

Haven't seen it yet. The 200 page manual might, but I have skimmed through it fairly well.

I am looking around to find some tips online for outdoor pics.
I have taken some today and boy was it bad. We had for the first time around 80% clear skies. Sun was out there. But, the camera took so much light its white balance screwed most pictures. The white overrode the blue, the sky turned cloudy-looking if not just completely white. That's not without mentioning the purple fringing. The result was also mostly bright in other parts of the pic (which include a building and grass whom both had problematic color)
I didn't try the Daylight WB yet. But the outdoor pic was horrible in AUTO mode. I hope sincerly that this issue can be fixed by tweaking, as white skies during beautiful blue-sky days is not encouraging.
Furthermore there was more barrel distortion than I wanted in most pics with straight vertical objects (the monitor shot was a great example)

For now my main pro-cons with the cam's images are as follows:

PRO: -Despite the smoothing, the cam produces fairly nice shots, and indoors rock.
- Red-Eye has yet to appear. I assume people always look at the orange lamp.

CONS:
- Problematic skyline pictures
- Color balance sometimes isn't right
- Flash seems to add too much contrast or overexposes indoor pics. I will try to learn more about picture taking, maybe that's why I see it that way.
- Purple fringing all too clear
- Focus tends to screw some parts of zoomed objects.
- Very apparent barrel distortion when taking shots with vertical objects.

Wish Canon would try to fix some of these issues and make AUTO mode really something that puts the average newbie at ease. Then again the A70 has never been touted for image quality above features.

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August 14, 2003 6:13:04 AM

Oh and in case you did not notice, I suck at using my camera too! :wink:

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August 16, 2003 8:29:42 AM

I need to buy a tripod so that I can get some better pics.

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August 16, 2003 8:52:02 PM

Yeah I've been considering that. Would like to make a panorama of my town, from our balcony, show it to cousins in Lebanon and the like.
My uncle has a very good quality one, so I'll likely borrow it.

Oh and Auburn you bastard, you thought you would get away with a post temporarily there huh? I'm onto you! :tongue:

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August 16, 2003 9:10:10 PM

Quit taking acid.

14 days and counting.....
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August 21, 2003 3:37:30 PM

Hey Ede, did ya ever take a picture of that elevator?

9 days and counting.....
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August 21, 2003 7:50:13 PM

Wot?!

ROFL!

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August 21, 2003 8:13:39 PM

You know, as a momento of your adventure.

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August 23, 2003 2:27:21 AM

My camera doesn't have such a wide angle to start, but I could go for a movie recording.
Will show you just how utterly dumb 4 people in there can be.

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August 23, 2003 3:45:44 AM

That might be quite a long video, to capture all of that.

8 days and counting.....
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August 23, 2003 5:26:42 AM

I must concede to you, you know your comebacks there Auby...









*bows............and takes a look under the skirt*
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August 25, 2003 11:55:47 AM

I have no idea what you're talking about.

5 days and counting.....
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