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One of the best cameras for the price range. Nothing much to dislike about the camera. It was perfected over 3 generations, so all the quirks should be out. (A10/20, A30/40, A60/70.) It has manual mode which is not available on many cameras in the same class at the A70. Manual mode is excellent for nighttime scenery pictures. www.dcresource.com www.dpreview.com are two good sites to look at digicam. DC resource's editor (jeff keller) says it the way it is. If he doesn't like it, he'd made sure it was heard.
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Only complaint is, as some review sites has shown in their sample pics and review, it tends to smear or blur some details. I noticed it wasn't as completely sharp as other less expensive cams, however this is the ultimate level IMO for excellent priced 3.2MP digicams, has tons of features.
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I never spoke of distortion or purple fringing, I am talking about the muddy detail sometimes found. Also, Imaging Ressource found it has very bad red-eye problems, even with Red-eye reduction on.
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I recently bought an Hp 3 mpix camera for $185 in a closeout sale. It has the shortcoming of a max (SD) 128mb memory stick, about 100 pics in hi res mode, but for the price it was a good buy and the picture quality is as good as the canon.
Digital cameras still suck indoors when compared to good 35mm cameras. There are no decent optics upgrades or connections for external flash etc.
Just keep your eyes open. Remember the memory sticks are expensive
Digital cameras still suck indoors when compared to good 35mm cameras. There are no decent optics upgrades or connections for external flash etc.
Just keep your eyes open. Remember the memory sticks are expensive
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There ARE Flash AND Lens connectivity add-ons. Some digicams DO allow it, like the A70.
As for indoors, dunno what to say, but the A70 is a true performer at extremely low light settings. It's although a matter of long shutter times.
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As for indoors, dunno what to say, but the A70 is a true performer at extremely low light settings. It's although a matter of long shutter times.
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i have a cannon A70 myself and i can say its VERY nice.
comming from a hobby photographer, used to using a fully manual SLR camera. i must say that the features and ease of use of the A70 are fantastic.
RED EYE, yes the cannon sucks at red eye reduction i have Many Many evil devil pics of myself and friends.
however i am a graphics designer and with a little PS or GIMP i can have a fully fixed face in a few minutes.
what was funny is when i took a photo of a friend the flash was so powerfull that when i was taking the photo and looking at her, i could see her red-eye with my naked eyes LOL.
other than that, the camera does have a slight distortion of shape around the edges of things (as shown in the grid test at the reviewing places that were linked to)
i have yet to see the purple fringe on things.
other than that its VERY VERY good. i am mighty pleased with it, it has cepear, B/W, and a few other saturation settings, it has moive mode, (nice but not for film makers LOL) its function modes such as night shot, action shot, etc... are very nice.
only crit about taking photos is it has a very big delay between pressing the button and taking the photo, and it doesn't always focus on the subject you are trying to focus it on in auto mode, and the screen would be to small to see if its in focus (although it does provide a square to show where its focusing so you can tell if its right before the photo is taken.
but yeah for budget its nice.
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comming from a hobby photographer, used to using a fully manual SLR camera. i must say that the features and ease of use of the A70 are fantastic.
RED EYE, yes the cannon sucks at red eye reduction i have Many Many evil devil pics of myself and friends.
however i am a graphics designer and with a little PS or GIMP i can have a fully fixed face in a few minutes.
what was funny is when i took a photo of a friend the flash was so powerfull that when i was taking the photo and looking at her, i could see her red-eye with my naked eyes LOL.
other than that, the camera does have a slight distortion of shape around the edges of things (as shown in the grid test at the reviewing places that were linked to)
i have yet to see the purple fringe on things.
other than that its VERY VERY good. i am mighty pleased with it, it has cepear, B/W, and a few other saturation settings, it has moive mode, (nice but not for film makers LOL) its function modes such as night shot, action shot, etc... are very nice.
only crit about taking photos is it has a very big delay between pressing the button and taking the photo, and it doesn't always focus on the subject you are trying to focus it on in auto mode, and the screen would be to small to see if its in focus (although it does provide a square to show where its focusing so you can tell if its right before the photo is taken.
but yeah for budget its nice.
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WTF?!?! I really hope you're just talking about the cheapest digital cameras. There are digital camera equivalents for pretty much every type of 35mm camera. From your most basic, up to digital SLRs. Nikon D100, Canon EOS 10D, etc, are digital cameras that do everything a film SLR will do.
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"sigh"
My dad suggested he will actually pay the extra to get the A70, over the D-560 from Olympus.
I was pretty happy, but I had doubts. The cam's got excellent features. But upon looking again and again and in different websites, at the pictures, I can't help but feel they are sub-par. It's true, the picture has lots of "muddied" areas like the grass and trees. I found that the Olympus (yes!) is sharper.
Someone agree before I go thinking my overall good vision is going wrong!
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My dad suggested he will actually pay the extra to get the A70, over the D-560 from Olympus.
I was pretty happy, but I had doubts. The cam's got excellent features. But upon looking again and again and in different websites, at the pictures, I can't help but feel they are sub-par. It's true, the picture has lots of "muddied" areas like the grass and trees. I found that the Olympus (yes!) is sharper.
Someone agree before I go thinking my overall good vision is going wrong!
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I know that, I've read tons of reviews on all digicams I've considered. And that is besides the point. What good are those features if my image in my eyes is simply NOT as good?
Somebody double-check for me.
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This had got to be the most nervous purchase I've ever been through, having to choose between two cameras switching features back and forth. (price aside)
I have an almost certain feeling I will buy one, and regret not getting the other, whichever it ends up being.
On one hand Olympus wins hands down the detail, especially DYNAMIC RANGE, which is noticeably weaker in the Imaging Ressource test results, for the A70. And this is exactly what the "muddy/blurry" problems are. On the other hand, feature-wise and even simply fun usability goes to the Canon for having sound options, background options and the myriad of features. On the special hand, Canon offers excellent night shots and has an AF Illuminator.
But the problem is, it's all great but in the end, the image quality is the most important factor in a digicam, and no feature in that Canon will fix the bad dynamic range AFAIK.
On the Olympus hand as well, you only need 2 batteries, which saves me some money. It does downsize the time of use by 2x , but I am no LCD surfer that stays for hours on it, so 102 minutes is plentiful for a "with LCD" mode. Heck, with no LCD, it lasts 190 hours, more than 10 times the Canon without LCD.
Not to mention it has a nice 1.8" LCD (I'll give it a test drive this weekend when I go to Future Shop and test the two digicams more carefully), though with 85K pixels only.
So, as you can all see, it is troublesome. I am really lost in what I should go for. I am tempted as hell to get the A70, despite the smaller LCD which I don't like, but the image quality suffers from bad dynamic range which muddies up trees and grass the most. (as well as having BAD red-eye even with Red-Eye reduction AND lots of purple fringing as seen clearly <A HREF="http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_a70-review/IMG_9732-pp.JPG" target="_new">here</A> [you can see both the muddy scenery and the purple fringing.) One wonders if perhaps a new firmware version is possible and available that could help this.
EDIT: If some A70 owner could provide some shots (maybe he might have a better firmware or such), of nature and people in the picture (I've yet to see that in reviews for it, and my goal is to find more pics showing family pics or people in it to see how it displays their skin tones, brightness and detail), I'd appreciate it.
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I have an almost certain feeling I will buy one, and regret not getting the other, whichever it ends up being.
On one hand Olympus wins hands down the detail, especially DYNAMIC RANGE, which is noticeably weaker in the Imaging Ressource test results, for the A70. And this is exactly what the "muddy/blurry" problems are. On the other hand, feature-wise and even simply fun usability goes to the Canon for having sound options, background options and the myriad of features. On the special hand, Canon offers excellent night shots and has an AF Illuminator.
But the problem is, it's all great but in the end, the image quality is the most important factor in a digicam, and no feature in that Canon will fix the bad dynamic range AFAIK.
On the Olympus hand as well, you only need 2 batteries, which saves me some money. It does downsize the time of use by 2x , but I am no LCD surfer that stays for hours on it, so 102 minutes is plentiful for a "with LCD" mode. Heck, with no LCD, it lasts 190 hours, more than 10 times the Canon without LCD.
Not to mention it has a nice 1.8" LCD (I'll give it a test drive this weekend when I go to Future Shop and test the two digicams more carefully), though with 85K pixels only.
So, as you can all see, it is troublesome. I am really lost in what I should go for. I am tempted as hell to get the A70, despite the smaller LCD which I don't like, but the image quality suffers from bad dynamic range which muddies up trees and grass the most. (as well as having BAD red-eye even with Red-Eye reduction AND lots of purple fringing as seen clearly <A HREF="http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/canon/powershot_a70-review/IMG_9732-pp.JPG" target="_new">here</A> [you can see both the muddy scenery and the purple fringing.) One wonders if perhaps a new firmware version is possible and available that could help this.
EDIT: If some A70 owner could provide some shots (maybe he might have a better firmware or such), of nature and people in the picture (I've yet to see that in reviews for it, and my goal is to find more pics showing family pics or people in it to see how it displays their skin tones, brightness and detail), I'd appreciate it.
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Eden on 07/29/03 03:29 PM.</EM></FONT></P>
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Well, ya know, if you'd gotten off your butt and gotten a job this summer, you'd have more money and then you could get a better cam than either of them.
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Well, ya know, if you'd gotten off your butt and gotten a job this summer, you'd have more money and then you could get a better cam than either of them.
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32 days and counting.....
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Uh-oh, I'm a meanie now. Great, are we going to have to get you your own school now, too, Ede? Like the gay kids. And your own forum, so you won't have to put with meanies?
32 days and counting.....
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32 days and counting.....
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LOL, methinks YOU should get YOUR own school, mr. Ruben-lover. Yeah yeah, a school for Ruber-wannabeees! You like the sweaty smell of his fans just like him! :tongue:
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Sheesh, I point out the REAL Ruben-lover and you still won't stop busting my chops about that mofo. I just don't get it.
Ya bastard!
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Ya bastard!
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Well, if I could make ya do something, it'd be to save up for something more like the Olympus C5050.
But that would require going back to the job discussion and making you have to tell us all to leave you the hell alone about the summer job peer pressure.
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But that would require going back to the job discussion and making you have to tell us all to leave you the hell alone about the summer job peer pressure.
32 days and counting.....
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Well I have an Olympus that's a 2 or 3 years old. Don't recall the model at the time and I don't feel like getting it out of the closet, to be honest. I'm waiting til I can afford a real digital like a Nikon D100 or something (i.e. an slr). That's the only kind of camera I'm really willing to spend money on. My digital was a hand-me down.
Have used my dad's D100 and Olympus D5050, though.
Anything other than an SLR (film or digital) isn't going to give me what I need.
31 days and counting.....
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Have used my dad's D100 and Olympus D5050, though.
Anything other than an SLR (film or digital) isn't going to give me what I need.
31 days and counting.....
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http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/lifedrawing.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/nick.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug2.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug3s.jpg
there are some photos taken with the A70
they are shrunk down but i'll look at the big version zoomed right in (on my ICC adjusted 19" flatscreen, so its correct colour) to see if they have bad edges.
the only bad thing you may be able to see is the REDEYE, some of them may not have had the red-eye reduction on, but honestly with red-eye removal it still coms out pretty red.
ok here are some FULL SIZED ones that i uploaded for you (you better thank me coz i'm on a 56K and these are straight from the camera LOL)
warning big files
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0001.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0002.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0066.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/101_0142.JPG
ok now i didn't see any issues on those ones really (except crap photographer)
so i hope that helps.
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http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/nick.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug2.jpg
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/doug3s.jpg
there are some photos taken with the A70
they are shrunk down but i'll look at the big version zoomed right in (on my ICC adjusted 19" flatscreen, so its correct colour) to see if they have bad edges.
the only bad thing you may be able to see is the REDEYE, some of them may not have had the red-eye reduction on, but honestly with red-eye removal it still coms out pretty red.
ok here are some FULL SIZED ones that i uploaded for you (you better thank me coz i'm on a 56K and these are straight from the camera LOL)
warning big files
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0001.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0002.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/100_0066.JPG
http://doug.mud-puddle.co.nz/101_0142.JPG
ok now i didn't see any issues on those ones really (except crap photographer)
so i hope that helps.
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Holy crap the third high-res pic is infested by the red-eye!
That seriously does make things bad.
Other than that, image quality is ok. I could've settled better with 1024*768 pics btw, since I don't use a bigger res, and regular 3Mpix pics are just huge and non-sharp. Anyways, thanks for the upload!
Man that still makes me too confused. My points on why I think each has goods still stand, so either way, I am still just annoyed by how I can't choose a more perfected camera. (image quality medium for A70 yet it has excellent night shots) Shame every night shot test they do has to use long shutter speeds. I just want to see if the A70, using fast shutter like 0.5sec at night, at ISO400 can actually do a good job still. If it doesn't, I think I might settle with the Olympus since it won't be that different.
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That seriously does make things bad.
Other than that, image quality is ok. I could've settled better with 1024*768 pics btw, since I don't use a bigger res, and regular 3Mpix pics are just huge and non-sharp. Anyways, thanks for the upload!
Man that still makes me too confused. My points on why I think each has goods still stand, so either way, I am still just annoyed by how I can't choose a more perfected camera. (image quality medium for A70 yet it has excellent night shots) Shame every night shot test they do has to use long shutter speeds. I just want to see if the A70, using fast shutter like 0.5sec at night, at ISO400 can actually do a good job still. If it doesn't, I think I might settle with the Olympus since it won't be that different.
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