How do some people get their drivers license's, doesn't everyone have to take the same test, or do some towns across America hand out licenses by grading on a curve, or can you just buy one at the local K-Mart, because it seems things on the road are getting worse and worse, and the people that seem to pull the most ignorant moves in traffic, never get stopped by the law, and somehow never seem themselves to get into an accident.
I saw a guy today pull up to take a left hand turn when the light turned red, he was about 1/3rd of the way into the intersection waiting for the light to turn red, he was going to make a textbook perfect left turn on red, the only problem was he was in the far right lane, he turned in front of 2 lanes of traffic trying to get through the light before it changed, and somehow he did not get in a wreck.
I saw a guy last night execute a U-Turn across 4 traffic lanes in front of myself and an 18 wheeler, the only problem was, Mr Genius underestimated the turn radius and couldn't complete the turn without backing up, the road had curbs on the sides of the road, well instead of quickly backing up and getting out of the way, he backs up like molasses in winter, and almost gets creamed by the 18 wheeler, then acts like the guy in the 18 wheeler had done something wrong, it didn't matter to him that the U-Turn was an illegal move in the first place on that particular road.
When did K-Mart start selling drivers licenses?
Its getting really bad out there lately!
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Holy sh<b></b>it lady.
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The problem is obviously with you. Haven't you learned patience and understanding in church?
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Too many stupid mofo's out there, no doubt about that. It's just amazing to watch sometimes.
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| Quote : The problem is obviously with you. Haven't you learned patience and understanding in church? |
I think that was also one of the things they taugh on turn the other cheek Sunday, Sorry DH I missed that service!
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Sometimes when you get to your destination you just have to sit for a minute, and ponder over the fact that it just wasn't your time to go!
I mean do these people even realize they just made a lifethreatening mistake, or for some reason do they think they did the right thing.
Sometimes they can do some of the most outrageously dumb moves, and then look at you like it was your fault they got in that position.
When you go to the highway department to get your license, they test your eyesight, test you with a written test, test you with an actual driving test, but they don't test to see if you're mentally competent to actually drive a car under real conditions, and not just a staged test.
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You're mistaken, K-mart doesn't sell licences. They are given out as prizes in Cracker Jack boxes, and occasionally in Happy Meals.
In Vancouver it is common practice in the oriental community for one family member to get a licence and share it with their siblings. Dong Sung Kim? is that male or female? The picture is so bad, it could be anyone.
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Well my day was shitty.
My wife, kids and I went shopping for shorts and t-shirts. On the way out of the store to my wife's one year old Cavalier I notice the sun glinting nicely off an eight inch crease above the front passenger wheel.
Anyway since we had a bunch of other stops to make and we were driving by the dealership body shop I stopped in to make an appointment to get the crease fixed and the scratch on the driver's door fixed. Ironically the scratch on the driver's door was caused in the same parking lot!
So I'm getting it fixed next week. Taking the car in on Monday morning and it will be ready for Thursday afternoon.
To get one crease and one scratch fixed and a rental car it's going to cost me $800.00. Since it's a leased car I really have no choice but to get the damaged fixed.
That's what I call an expensive day at the department store.
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I totally agree with you on the issue of idiots on the road. I have in 25 years of driving made a few mistakes myself but they were not NO BRAINIERS and did not cause an accident.
I have always thought a cop should pull the licence of the Ningkampoops right there and make the person take a cab home.
To get the licence back they should have to attend a 2 week course on driving skills they MUST pass in order to earn the licence back.
Drivers that are caught reckless driving should get an instant 1 year suspension right there on the side of the road cops discretion and then have to go to court and then the 2 weeks of drivers education that they MUST pass in order to get their licence back.
Many have said that driving is a privilege I might agree to that on the condition that it was a skilled users only club but since it is a necessity due to our culture simply in most cases to get to work I do Not agree with it as being a privilege. However they do need to make sure that the ones that are actually driving need to have some serious skills for driving.
Some people cant sing or paint or sky dive and some people simply should not be driving based on mental and physicals skills. Either your born with the ability or your not!!
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I somewhat agree. It is too easy to get a drivers license these days. Driver's Ed/Training is a complete joke. There are motorcycle safety courses that should have automobile safety courses modeled after them, and everyone must take one before getting a license.
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We should all send letters to our governor's suggesting that from now on you have to pass a 2 week survival course in the amazon jungle before getting a driver's license.
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That's too easy... How about two weeks driving in the Chicago area during rush hours!!
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| Quote : You're mistaken, K-mart doesn't sell licences. They are given out as prizes in Cracker Jack boxes, and occasionally in Happy Meals. |
ROFLMAO!
| Quote : In Vancouver it is common practice in the oriental community for one family member to get a licence and share it with their siblings. Dong Sung Kim? is that male or female? The picture is so bad, it could be anyone. |
Now thats not funny! Thats actually scary, to think theres actually drivers out there with no driving skills what so ever, of course some of the drivers I've seen lately fall into the same classification, even with a legal drivers license.
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| Quote : To get one crease and one scratch fixed and a rental car it's going to cost me $800.00. Since it's a leased car I really have no choice but to get the damaged fixed.
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What ever happened to a person taking responsibility for their own actions, but today if theres no eye witness the person that caused the damage will get away from the scene as fast as they can. Theres a big difference between someone executing an idiotic move and somehow escaping damage, and blatantly damaging somones vehicle and leaving the scene of the crime, which before hand was an accident, but leaving the scene makes it a crime, at least in my state. More and more parking lots have security cameras today, did you check into that possibility, of finding out who actually did it?
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MI has No Fault Insurance... The only thing your responsible for is the deductible on your insurance.. They consider parking lots private property & aren't under the jurisdiction of the police to write tickets. They don't even come out to a parking lot to look. They just write your name down, if that. You call your insurance & they pay for it - the deductible.
Same thing if your in a wreck, even if some one is killed. You may get a ticket for being in the wrong, but all it's going to cost you is your deductible.
It's a sort of weird system we've had for a lot of years. Premiums are based off of the deductible. I carry $100 (Highest Cost) deductible. You can get it in $100, $250, $500, & $1000. If you run a beater, you just pay a flat No Fault Fee & if you wreck it your just out a car.... The other guy is covered by his deductible.. Hence - No Fault.
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| Quote : Some people cant sing or paint or sky dive and some people simply should not be driving based on mental and physicals skills. Either your born with the ability or your not!! |
If you really start thinking about the things some people simply can and cannot do, your statement could be a terrifying reality, how many people are actually driving the highways today, that are comparable to ticking timebombs, waiting for that certain situation, that will completely be out of their skill level and ability to control, resulting in a horrible accident.
Theres a certain amount of common sense that has to be applied to certain driving situations, say you're driving down the Interstate at the posted speed and it starts to rain, in some light rain situations you can continue driving the speed limit, but you still need to disengage your cruise control, because when it first starts raining the road is at its slickest traction base from the oils and roadgrime getting wet, but when its raining so hard theres an inch plus amount of water forming that cannot run off fast enough, you have to have the common sense to slow down, and if you don't you are certainly heading for disaster.
Most accidents under those same conditions happen because people are ignorant of the fact that they not only need to slow down, they also need to disengage their cruise controls, and leave them off during a rain.
I do think there would be far less accidents across this land if each driver were to go through an evaluation process, and be required to take a mandatory safety course, before being allowed to drive on the highway.
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I don't know why but I was hearing Twilight Zone music playing in my mind when I was reading your post!
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It's a weird system, for sure!! It's run by the state to keep costs down, whether it does or not is a matter of debate...
You get to many points on your license & you go into a High Risk Pool. The company's that do business in the state have to pick you up out of the pool. So until you loose your license, you still insurable, but it will cost more!!!
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| Quote : That's too easy... How about two weeks driving in the Chicago area during rush hours!! |
Man talk about memory lane, when I was in the Navy at Gunnery school in Great Lakes Illinois, a couple of my buddies and I, on liberty, took a Cab through Chicago siteseeing, I almost crapped my pants, the cabdriver got us to our destination, but he totally scared the crap out of all of us, if I didn't remember anything else about Chicago, I remembered the Cab ride.
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So if you get in an accident with an uninsured driver, all you pay is your deductable to get your car fixed, Right?
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That is true in IL, but it is bullschit... It is an extra add-on to my policy for uninsured motorist, so I have to pay more. I might still pay my deductable, I am not sure. And I also heard that if someone who isn't insured totals my vehicle, MY insurance rates go up because I file a claim... I hope that isn't all true, but that is how it was explained to me!!
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Yes, that's it. The uninsured driver is in a world of sh-t though. You have to have a Proof Of Insurance to even get your plates. Your insurance company is reimbursed out ot the Uninsured Driver Fund that you pay a fee to through your plates, every time you buy them.
If your say a vegetable form a wreck. The persons insurance that hits you, just writes out a check for top rate they'll pay. In my case it would be $150k. After that you go into a Catastrophic Injury Fund, that you also pay into with your plates. You can be on that the rest of your life, if your injured that bad. They just raised the rates here because of the Catastrophic Injury Fund was running low!!!
You also give up the right to sue an individual driver & I haven't seen the fund be sued yet. It's been here for most of my adult life.
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No security cameras in the parking lot.
Not that it would make much of a difference because we have no fault insurance in Ontario and the damage caused to the car was less than $1000.00.
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| Quote : And I also heard that if someone who isn't insured totals my vehicle, MY insurance rates go up because I file a claim... |
Man if thats right, that really sucks, its like being punished even though you didn't do anything wrong.
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Does no fault insurance mean that if you were in a wreck, and it wasn't your fault that you couldn't sue to recoop damages, if the total damages exceeded what the insurance companies would pay?
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| Quote : Not that it would make much of a difference because we have no fault insurance in Ontario and the damage caused to the car was less than $1000.00. |
So if your deductable was $1000.00 its straight out of your pocket anyway, and if your deductable was $250.00 and you claimed the rest, then your insurance premiums would increase, looks like you were going to loose out anyway you look at it. That Sucks!!!
Especially for something that wasn't your fault, and you weren't even driving the car when it happened, seems like this kind of insurance programs would encourage hit and run behavior.
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Yes, that's right. Anything that exceeds the $100k ($100k is the min. anyone can have), you go into the Catastrophic Injury Fund. That's Public Liability.
Property Damage is the other part of it, this is funny, I have $1,000,000 on that. That covers anything you hit such as a building / business, anything but another vehicle, = Property Damage.
There is no suing. That right is given up. I have heard of people taking someone to Small Claims Court to try & recover there deductible, but the ones I know that did that, didn't recover it.
I've never had my rates go up over a wreck. I had them go up because I had a van stolen once under No Fault. We bickered a lot over the value of the van & when we finally settled it, (6 months) they canceled me because of Losses Incurred, they said. So I went to another company & with no points on my record, I actually got cheaper insurance. Points on your record drives up your rates & fast!!
If your interested, do a Google on MI No Fault Insurance. There's a lot of info there. I couldn't pick any one site for you there. There are some calculators for rates, I believe. I'd like to know how much cheaper No Fault is, if it really is.
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So did the entire state decide to adopt this No fault insurance program? It may be coming but we don't have that in SC.
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I guess the entire state would have to adopt it or it wouldn't work.
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It's all State run. It was voted on by the people, years ago. Started sometime in the 70's, so it works, but it's always funny to explain it to someone that doesn't have it.
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Don't go crackin on me now, I'd heard talk of no fault insurance, but wasn't aware of how it actually worked, we have additional coverage for Uninsured Motorist and Underinsured Motorist, but not no fault, you can definitely get your ass sued in SC.
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It's mandatory for anyone that drives here. Well, unless your like a GM. They're self insured. With all there lawers & assets they can & do, insure themselves.
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Well that doesn't seem fair!
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I didn't mean to crack on you at all. I was just trying to explain a thing that even I find weird & hard to figure myself.
I think it's fine. Never a problem with it. Get in a wreck. Cop issues tickets or not. That day, call your insurance, take it into one place to have the damage estimated by there assessor & they'll write a check on the spot. Any body shop in the state will fix it for that quote + your deductible. It streamlines everything.
When I got my van stolen that was a hassle. It wasn't so much the no fault, it was the value I had in it at the time I had to fight for. I bought it as a shell & fully customized the whole truck. That was in 78. Paid $5800 for it new, but I had $10,000 into it easy.
That's another funny thing about the no fault. Anything bolted into the van was covered by auto insurance. Anything loose, like my tapes, at the time, was covered on my home owners insurance. I had a bunch of chains & tools & such I had to get out of my home owners insurance, with another deductible..
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| Quote : I didn't mean to crack on you at all. I was just trying to explain a thing that even I find weird & hard to figure myself. |
I wasn't saying that you were crackin on me, I was saying excuse my ignorance on this subject, if I ask you some questions that seem stupid, because we do not have no fault insurance in the state I live in, and sometimes here at THGF when you let someone know you don't know anything about a particular subject, the smartassed answers start, but you haven't done that to me before, as far as I remember.
To a certain extent no fault insurance seems like a good idea, what downsides are there to it, theres always a downside somewhere.
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I call that one of the bonuses one receives for the privledge to own and drive a car.
You have to buy insurance but it really only comes in need when you wreck your car, other persons property or cause a disabling injury to another person.
The little incidentals like scratches and dents and vandalism are just the perks to owning a car.
My comprehensive deductable is $100 and collision deductable is $500.
Eight years ago my truck was vandalized. The side view mirrors were kicked off. It cost $350 to repair. I went through my insurance. The following year I had the windshield replaced in my wife's car. The next year I had to fight with the Insurance company to keep my comprehensive coverage.
Comprehensive is a great insurance. They sell it to you, make money but if you make a couple claims they want to take it away.
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| Quote : Comprehensive is a great insurance. They sell it to you, make money but if you make a couple claims they want to take it away. |
Seems like there should be a law against that.
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The down side is the funds that run it. If they get low, all rates raise. Such is the case with the Injury Fund. To many injured for the fund to cover the costs. The legislature is always doing something with it.
Originally it was to cut insurance costs. It's been so long now, that i doubt it's any cheaper that any other program in another state has. It could cost more, for all I know. When it started, if you didn't want to have insurance for yourself, you could pay $35 for No Fault to cover the other guy. You'd just loose your car. That went away after the first year.
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One of the things they're trying to stop here in MI is the insurance companies are using your credit information to set your rates. They say if you don't pay your bills on time, your more prone to have a accident, because you don't pay attention. Lot's of things going on about that now. They're trying to out law it.
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| Quote : Originally it was to cut insurance costs. It's been so long now, that i doubt it's any cheaper that any other program in another state has. It could cost more, for all I know. When it started, if you didn't want to have insurance for yourself, you could pay $35 for No Fault to cover the other guy. You'd just loose your car. That went away after the first year. |
That sounds like a bad idea to me!
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Like everything else, once government gets involved, hang on to your wallet!!!
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We're not gonna see it happen as long as the insurance companies have a say. The insurance companies get laws written for them in exchange for cold hard cash. The politicians are lining their pockets with legal bribes via political contributions and the insurance companies get exactly what they want. Notice that driving without insurance, even if you were pulled over for the most minor offense, carries a much heavier penalty than some more serious offenses, like ohhhh drunk driving or even driving without a license. The whole system stinks IMHO, but the alternative is the bus, so GIVE IT TO ME INSURANCE COMPANIES!! I'M BENT OVER, LUBED, AND READY!!!
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In Michigan you need full coverage to get a loan or lease on a car, most people have a $500 deductable, many shops will overbill by $500 and tell you "we pay your deductable".
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BS, cops have no discretion, they need no discretionary power. I got pulled over because I had a bad strut causing a wheel to lean in turns. I could turn a slow circle in the parking lot and have the tire squeel. But it was a temporary car and I was cautious, so no problem. Except tha some smart ass cop pulled me over and gave me a ticket: NOT an equipment violation either (which would have forced the fix/fine/scrap option for a car I was scrapping anyway), nope, I got a careless driving ticket. Took proof of the equipment failure into court, judge stated it didn't matter. Hired a cheap lawyer and got kicked down to a 5MPH over speeding ticket, even though I was turning left at 15MPH in a 25MPH zone.
Give that cop discretionary power? Their lying faces are already too much discretionary power without adding anything else.
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