Avril Lavigne on Ashlee Simpson

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Well Avril Lavigne has chimed in about the Ashlee Simpson lip syncing
episode saying it was pathetic and that she would never do it and
making inferences about actually needing to have talent as a singer
etc and herself demostrating as much since she was 15.

She also says she knows of current female superstars who don't sing on
their recordings or live. I went to Ashlee Simpsons site and and
looked at her appearance schedule and I notice that almost none of
them are traditional concert/tour dates. I'd bet dollars to donuts
that she lip-syncs a lot. It all points to a contrived effort to
maximize return without her lack of ability getting exposed.

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andrewunix wrote:

> A lot of rock acts have writers' credits on all of their songs and never
> see a dime from royalties.

Hmm. If a writer retains all of his publishing rights, which is standard
for most recording contracts, he will see plenty of royalties on records
sold. The royalty a song writer collects is the "publishing" royalty.
This is separate from the the royalty paid for records sold.

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andrewunix wrote:

> :>I was under the impression that touring was how performers made better money
> :>than the percentage they get from the record sales/contract.
> : True, but Avril has writer's credits on most of her tunes and is
> : probably doing very nicely.
> A lot of rock acts have writers' credits on all of their songs and never
> see a dime from royalties.

Touring Acts make some of their best revenue off mechandising...then the take from
the house. CD income on rookie ( less than 2 cd's out) is probably in the low 30K
range these days. Avril, though, sold a gazillion CD's first time out...maybe
she's already paid off her debts from the first and second CD's.

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Avril GOOD!!

Ashlee BAD!!

and now back to things we remotely care about...
 

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It's very important to tour and get out there no matter what. Being a
pop-star is much like being a politician. You have to get yourself
out there, get press coverage. If not, there are others who will go
out and crowd you out. This is especially important in the pop
segment, where there is not much product differentiation.

Let's say there is a concert of 5,000. Well that's 5,000 boys and
girls talking about going to the concert to their friends, and talking
to them again after the concert is over. Assuming they talk to 5
people before and after the concert, that's 50,000 "talking events".
It also means about 2,000+ t-shirts in school the next day. The
t-shirts are a big profit center, and are walking billboards. You
also get coverage in the local music magazines and other outlets.
Plus it gives you a salable event. It's tough to talk about someone
who "has nothing going on" or "isn't doing anything". Look at the
teen mags. They like action and things that are going on.


Plus, you're only hot for so many years. Then it's touring that keeps
you in touch with the faithful. It's a good idea to habituate your
audience to coming out to see you when they are young, and then
continue that relationship.

There are exeptions to this. But and sales-pro knows that a product
that isn't pushed will eventually die on the vine.
 
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For what it's worth, they had a piece on SNL on 60 Minutes the other
night. They showed Ashlee Simpson singing in rehearsal (sounded like
she was actually singing) then rushing off in tears because she was
supposedly upset about her voice. This lends credence to the claim
that the lip-synching was only done because of the condition of her
voice. Or maybe it was her mental status.

You could tell she was lip-synching when she performed her first
number, every note was perfect. Usually when someone sings live
there's some pitchiness that creeps in there SOMEWHERE, even if
they're well regarded as capable singers.
 
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iarwain wrote:

>For what it's worth, they had a piece on SNL on 60 Minutes the other
>night. They showed Ashlee Simpson singing in rehearsal (sounded like
>she was actually singing) then rushing off in tears because she was
>supposedly upset about her voice.

That show was beyond weak though. Leslie Stahl let Lorne Michaels slide big
time on that issue.
 
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Mondoslug1 wrote:


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> That show was beyond weak though. Leslie Stahl let Lorne Michaels slide big
> time on that issue.

I think Lorne Michaels was as pissed as anyone by Simpson's
"performance". At least judging by the skits in last Saturday's show.
 
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<< andrewunix wrote:

> A lot of rock acts have writers' credits on all of their songs and never
> see a dime from royalties.

Hmm. If a writer retains all of his publishing rights, which is standard
for most recording contracts, he will see plenty of royalties on records
sold. The royalty a song writer collects is the "publishing" royalty.
This is separate from the the royalty paid for records sold.

--
Eric >>



Not quite correct. What I think you are referring to as "publishing rights" is
actually divided into 2 equal parts--the publisher's share and the writer's
share of the copyright. The composer of the song retains the "writer's" half
of this, and may give up none, some, or all of the publisher's share depending
on what sort of deal he makes.

In other words, a writer can give up his publishing rights and still receive
income from his writer's share.

I think the word you were looking for was "perfomance rights", which refers to
the money collected on behalf of composers and publishers for the public
performance of their music (tv, radio, jukeboxes, etc.) This income, collected
by performance rights societies such as ASCAP or BMI, is divided evenly between
the publishers and writers.

It may seem confusing but believe me, if you're a professional writer it's
worth it for you to get clear about all this.

-R
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Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. The fact that
she has NO social awareness what so ever and is self centered. Why
does someone go out of their way to say hey, "I don't lip-sync like
Ashlee and lots of others" ??? Why? She hopes that it will make her
more appearling to her fans and they will think, "Oh goodie.. She is a
real singer!!!" But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
who knocks someone down to make them selfs look better at anything. I
don't care about Ashlee a single bit.. I just think Avril's social
skills leaves something lacking for a pop star. And I say that even
though she presents some talent.
 
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They are both packaged "artists"

>But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
>who knocks someone down to make them selfs look >better at anything.
If this was true, there would be no "Enquirer".

> I just think Avril's socialskills leaves something lacking >for a pop
star.
I'm sure you were a real diplomat as a teenager too, I know I was. ;-)

Personally, I blame it all on Auto-tune, but as they say,
Technology changes everything.
Tom





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> Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. The fact that
> she has NO social awareness what so ever and is self centered. Why
> does someone go out of their way to say hey, "I don't lip-sync like
> Ashlee and lots of others" ??? Why? She hopes that it will make her
> more appearling to her fans and they will think, "Oh goodie.. She is a
> real singer!!!" But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
> who knocks someone down to make them selfs look better at anything. I
> don't care about Ashlee a single bit.. I just think Avril's social
> skills leaves something lacking for a pop star. And I say that even
> though she presents some talent.
>
 
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On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:46:47 GMT, "Tommy B" <mrtomm@earthlink.net>
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>They are both packaged "artists" <snip>

That says it all right there, especially the quotes around the noun,
"artist." Put both of these in a "live in the studio" situation
cutting directly to master, and they're both talentless goofs.

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johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:

> I just think Avril's social skills leaves something lacking for a pop
> star.

Social skills?

What the hell is that about?
 
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<johns33040@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. The fact that
> she has NO social awareness what so ever and is self centered. Why
> does someone go out of their way to say hey, "I don't lip-sync like
> Ashlee and lots of others" ??? Why? She hopes that it will make her
> more appearling to her fans and they will think, "Oh goodie.. She is a
> real singer!!!" But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
> who knocks someone down to make them selfs look better at anything. I
> don't care about Ashlee a single bit.. I just think Avril's social
> skills leaves something lacking for a pop star. And I say that even
> though she presents some talent.
>


Fancy that. She sounds just like a teenaged girl.
 
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On 7 Dec 2004 02:33:26 -0800, johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:

>Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. The fact that
>she has NO social awareness what so ever and is self centered. Why
>does someone go out of their way to say hey, "I don't lip-sync like
>Ashlee and lots of others" ??? Why? She hopes that it will make her
>more appearling to her fans and they will think, "Oh goodie.. She is a
>real singer!!!" But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
>who knocks someone down to make them selfs look better at anything. I
>don't care about Ashlee a single bit.. I just think Avril's social
>skills leaves something lacking for a pop star. And I say that even
>though she presents some talent.

She's only about 18, what do you expect.

Al
 
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Jazz Meister <jazzman@jazz.net> wrote:
>johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:
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>> I just think Avril's social skills leaves something lacking for a pop
>> star.
>
>Social skills?
>
>What the hell is that about?

That's right. That's what managers and handlers are for, so that stars
shouldn't need any social skills.
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Scott Dorsey wrote:

> That's right. That's what managers and handlers are for, so that stars
> shouldn't need any social skills.

In fact, not having any almost seems like a prerequisite. :)
 
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> On 7 Dec 2004 02:33:26 -0800, johns33040@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. The fact that
> >she has NO social awareness what so ever and is self centered. Why
> >does someone go out of their way to say hey, "I don't lip-sync like
> >Ashlee and lots of others" ??? Why? She hopes that it will make her
> >more appearling to her fans and they will think, "Oh goodie.. She is a
> >real singer!!!" But the fact is that most people look down on anyone
> >who knocks someone down to make them selfs look better at anything. I
> >don't care about Ashlee a single bit.. I just think Avril's social
> >skills leaves something lacking for a pop star. And I say that even
> >though she presents some talent.
>
> She's only about 18, what do you expect.
>
> Al

I think one of the fun things about being a pop star would be not needing to
have any social skills.

jb
 
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On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 14:12:32 -0500, "Roger Christie"
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>Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing its idiot.
><johns33040@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Here is the obvious annoying thing about Avril Lavigne. <snip>
>
>Fancy that. She sounds just like a teenaged girl. <snip>

....also with no talent.

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> On Tue, 07 Dec 2004 13:46:47 GMT, "Tommy B" <mrtomm@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>>They are both packaged "artists" <snip>
>
> That says it all right there, especially the quotes around the noun,
> "artist." Put both of these in a "live in the studio" situation
> cutting directly to master, and they're both talentless goofs.

Put both of them in that situation & my money'd be on Avril.

Neil Henderson
 
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> She's only about 18, what do you expect.

Behavior that I often see from 16-year-olds that aren't celebrities?
 
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On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 09:04:50 -0500, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com>
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>"play-on" <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote in message
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>> She's only about 18, what do you expect.
>
>Behavior that I often see from 16-year-olds that aren't celebrities?
>

I don't know how many teens you know but Avril doesn't seem that out
of line to me. She also displays a lot more talent than Ashlee
Simpson IMO.

Al
 
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On 2004-12-08, play-on <playon@ATcomcast.net> wrote:

> I don't know how many teens you know but Avril doesn't seem that out
> of line to me. She also displays a lot more talent than Ashlee
> Simpson IMO.

I don't see how people think this is any kind of new phenomenon.

I'm sure in 1920, Montparnasse had Chanteuses who weren't as attractive
as Kiki, didn't have Man Ray promoting them, didn't take their clothes
off, etc.

And no doubt, a lot of really talented people couldn't understand why
some whore can make it and they can't...

Nothing new under the sun.

The radio, and the phono, gave a brief period where only the sound
mattered.
 
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"I'm sure you were a real diplomat as a teenager too, I know I was.
;-)"

well no one's perfect as a teen.. Lol, on the Auto-tune. It makes it
harder to tell which recordings are with auto-tune and arne't. I can
hear it on some songs when it is too-quick to pitch adjust some
singers. The worst singers tend to sound almost electronic sounding
because the more it corrects pitch the more fake it sounds... (hard to
explain)... but yeah, tech changes things
 
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