F4AF: No need for me to waste another minute of my time wi..

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<paulwilliamsonremove@removespamcop.net> wrote in message
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> Got everything working with all my CH USB gear in the Control Manager.
> Tested it in settings section the game. I selected "dog fight". Of
> course, my controllers don't work in the mission. Of course, I end up
> crashing into the ground. The printout for the key commands list the
> escape button as how to cancel a mission. Of course it doesn't work
> either.
>
> I see the writing on the wall. I am not going to waste another second
> of my time with this game. At least I spent $40 and supported this
> genre. I've been flying Flight sims, 90% combat sims, for 10 years
> now.
>
> Yes, I did patch the game.
>
> No need to proceed any further with this POS and I'll never read
> another review from Andy Mahood again!
>
> -pw
>
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Don't get frustrated. Falcon is not easy to learn even for the seasoned
pilot. I, too, was quite flustered and, quite frankly impatient. I then
started over from scratch without programming my CH USB gear and used the
key commands for a while. Once I figured out what keys were most commonly
used, then I started to program my HOTAS.

Patience is the biggest virtue with this sim. Also, be sure to take your
time with the training missions. If you don't have the patience or time for
this, then to be honest with you, don't bother to play it. I played Falcon 4
on and off over the seven years prior to Allied Force with much frustration
and realized mainly due to buggy software or unclear documentation from the
many many optional installs. F4AF thankfully offers a very well written
manual, along with a stable environment (read: no CTD's! yay!) that gives
those familiar with some familiarity with flight sims the opportunity to
learn the basics enough to fly missions.

The ESC key will exit out of the 3D world (i.e. in the Falcon cockpit).
However, one bug is that if you have the command menu open, like giving
commands to wingmen, AWACS, ATC, etc, and you eject, you can't close the
command menu, and can't "ESC"ape out. However, once your pilot lands with
his chute, the "Exit" menu pops up. I usually time acclerate to get my pilot
to the ground to get out of the mission.

I have a CH HOTAS config to download, link below, if you're interested, but
I find people have different preferences and do better programming their
own. However, if looking at my CH setup will help, I have posted it here for
your reference:

http://home.comcast.net/~fighterpilot/temp/chf4af.zip

Enjoy!

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>
> BOO HOO.
>
> Sounds like you might be technically challenged...not being able to get
> your $600 controller system working in the game and all. I never had a
> problem with my X45 gear, and I'm a certified dumbass.

Glad you got your stuff working in the game, but my X36USB and X52 DO NOT
work natively in F4AF... most of the buttons are not recognized...
Everything is fine in Windows and other games.
John

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>
>Don't get frustrated. Falcon is not easy to learn even for the seasoned
>pilot. I, too, was quite flustered and, quite frankly impatient.

Hey hockytown (usa)! Looks like you are going to get to see your
RedWings play this year over there in MI!

> I then
>started over from scratch without programming my CH USB gear and used the
>key commands for a while. Once I figured out what keys were most commonly
>used, then I started to program my HOTAS.

I am a seasoned pc pilot and realize how hard this sim is (I had the
original, plus many, many more going back to the early 90s. Hornet
Korea and EAW being my all time favorites). My frustration has
nothing to do with combat, etc.... When the keycard (that has to be
printed out) says the Escape key is supposed to exit the mission, and
it doesn't, and when my controllers test and calibrate in the CH CM
and in the game, I don't think I want to continue with the 700+ page
manual. Know what I mean? What else could be wrong? I have read
about a few! Seasoned I am <g>

>
>Patience is the biggest virtue with this sim. Also, be sure to take your
>time with the training missions. If you don't have the patience or time for
>this, then to be honest with you, don't bother to play it. I played Falcon 4
>on and off over the seven years prior to Allied Force with much frustration
>and realized mainly due to buggy software or unclear documentation from the
>many many optional installs. F4AF thankfully offers a very well written
>manual, along with a stable environment (read: no CTD's! yay!) that gives
>those familiar with some familiarity with flight sims the opportunity to
>learn the basics enough to fly missions.
>
>The ESC key will exit out of the 3D world (i.e. in the Falcon cockpit).

The key map says the escape key exits the flight (page 10, under
"Sim" )

>However, one bug is that if you have the command menu open, like giving
>commands to wingmen, AWACS, ATC, etc, and you eject, you can't close the
>command menu, and can't "ESC"ape out. However, once your pilot lands with
>his chute, the "Exit" menu pops up. I usually time acclerate to get my pilot
>to the ground to get out of the mission.

I didn't get that far. In fact, I had to bring up the Task Manager to
quit the game. I couldn't get back to a menu.

>
>I have a CH HOTAS config to download, link below, if you're interested, but
>I find people have different preferences and do better programming their
>own. However, if looking at my CH setup will help, I have posted it here for
>your reference:
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~fighterpilot/temp/chf4af.zip
>
>Enjoy!

I will love looking at it! Thanks so much! Go Red Wings ( I don't
have a NHL team as I don't like hockey but I was born somewhere
outside of Detroit 47+ years ago). I have been to a couple of
Hartford Whaler games though <BG>

New policy of mine: Let myself cool off before posting a rant :-)
Thanks for being civil, unlike a couple others here (cough, cough!)

-paul

>
-pw

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On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 22:25:35 -0600,
paulwilliamsonremove@removespamcop.net wrote:

>At least I spent $40 and supported
U got ripped off. It sales for 29.99

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Exactly..

<me@home.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 04:49:29 GMT, James Calivar
> <amheiserbush@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> F4:AF, then went crying boohoo beacause now your wingmen
>>are doing things you wouln't expect in FF3.
> My wing men have never made it to target with me. They keep returning
> to base on their own , just like in F4
> The more I play this thing the more it looks like F4... bugs and all.

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"Lee Hutchinson" <Blaklist@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> My X35/35 USB work fine with it
>
> "John A. Mason" <jamason56@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > BOO HOO.
>> >
>> > Sounds like you might be technically challenged...not being able to get
>> > your $600 controller system working in the game and all. I never had a
>> > problem with my X45 gear, and I'm a certified dumbass.
>>
>> Glad you got your stuff working in the game, but my X36USB and X52 DO NOT
>> work natively in F4AF... most of the buttons are not recognized...
>> Everything is fine in Windows and other games.
>> John
>>
>>
>
>

My X52 works fine too :-) Just downloaded the Falcon 4 profile from the
Saitek website and tweaked it to suit my preferred layout.

I reckon there must be a problem with the seat to stick interface ;-)

ETV