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Would someone please explain to me, in the most elementary terms possible,
how to best browse the web with my T3?

I currently have Sprint Wireless. My phone is not on the list of Bluetooth
Phones and none of the phones on the Sprint web site are either.

I would switch to ATT Wireless, but none of their phones are on the list
either.

I do not understand Bluetooth
I do not understand WiFi
I do not understand a wireless expansion card (I think that's what I read).

I'd like to be able to browse while on the road. I'd like the most
reliable, rapid method.

I currently use Earthlink dialup for my PC ISP.

I've read everything in the support documentation but I'm scared to pursue
what I don't understand. I'd like to make a smart decision to do this
economically and get the best result.

I'll be so appreciative is someone can give me the direction I desperately
need. Thanks in advance.

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"Galley" <Galley@Spam-Jammer.galleytech.com> wrote in message
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> If you can find a cable for your phone, then you should be able to use you
> Sprint PCS phone as a modem. You can buy one here:
> http://www.thesupplynet.com/pda-cables.cfm
>
> --
> "I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet"
> Galley

Wow, just that simple. Thank you so much, Galley. I just ordered.

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"Alan Hoyle" <alanh@unc.edu> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:45:01 GMT, Joanne wrote:
> > Would someone please explain to me, in the most elementary terms
possible,
> > how to best browse the web with my T3?
>
> > I currently have Sprint Wireless. My phone is not on the list of
Bluetooth
> > Phones and none of the phones on the Sprint web site are either.
>
> > I would switch to ATT Wireless, but none of their phones are on the list
> > either.
>
> > I do not understand Bluetooth
> > I do not understand WiFi
> > I do not understand a wireless expansion card (I think that's what I
read).
>
> > I'd like to be able to browse while on the road. I'd like the most
> > reliable, rapid method.
>
> > I currently use Earthlink dialup for my PC ISP.
>
> > I've read everything in the support documentation but I'm scared to
pursue
> > what I don't understand. I'd like to make a smart decision to do this
> > economically and get the best result.
>
> > I'll be so appreciative is someone can give me the direction I
desperately
> > need. Thanks in advance.
>
> I have a Sony Ericsson T616 with AT&T wireless service. I connectit
> with my Palm T|T via Bluetooth and it works fine. Setting it up was
> easy with the Palm PhoneLink app included on the "extra software" CD
> that came with my T|T. With AT&T Wireless (and indeed most cell-phone
> data services), you won't need to use your Earthlink connection to
> connect to the net..
>
> The best way to think of Bluetooth is as a replacement for cables.
>
> -alan
>
> --
> Alan Hoyle - alanh@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
> "I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
> Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.

Thanks, Alan. I'll save this post. The cable to my wireless makes sense to
me. Bluetooth replacing cables makes sense to me. Not needing my Earthlink
account makes no sense to me.

Sorry to be so dense about all this.

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Joanne wrote:

> Thanks, Alan. I'll save this post. The cable to my wireless makes sense to
> me. Bluetooth replacing cables makes sense to me. Not needing my Earthlink
> account makes no sense to me.
>
> Sorry to be so dense about all this.
>
>
>

Your mobile phone provider connects you to the net. They are essentially acting
as an ISP just like Earthlink do. You do not need a separate ISP such as Earthlink.

--
Ben Thomas

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Joanne wrote:

> "BenOne©" <nosp@m.thanks.mate> wrote in message
> news:36c39c.71v.ln@192.168.11.2...

>>Your mobile phone provider connects you to the net. They are essentially acting
>>as an ISP just like Earthlink do. You do not need a separate ISP such as Earthlink.

> Wouldn't I be paying for a second ISP subscription then? I would never be
> on the Earthlink dialup on the computer and the PDA simultaneously.
> Wouldn't that only require one subscription?

Technically, it would require zero subscriptions, since a subscription is
a financial arrangement between you and an ISP and has nothing whatsoever
to do with how the internet works.

Actually, it's all about costs and engineering. Yes, in theory the
cell phone company could let you dial up Earthlink from your cell phone
via normal telephone call, and thereby use them as your ISP. In fact,
people used to do this before cell phone companies provided data access.
But cell phone line quality is lower than regular line quality, generally,
so speeds were limited to something like 10% or 20% of what you'd normally
see on a modem.

But let's say that weren't the case and you could still get full speed
through a modem going through you cell phone to Earthlink. The problem
is, it's actually *more* expensive for the cell phone company to do
this than it is for them to just connect you up to the internet. For
a normal phone call on a cell phone, the company has to maintain a
radio connection to their tower, but they also have to hook up your
conversation through a traditional phone line. So every internet
session would use a phone line, and phone lines are expensive. If,
however, they just get a single big fast internet connection and
terminate that at their facility, they can hook up to that for cheap.
Thousands of people can share the same internet connection easily.

So basically, the Earthlink account you have is a resource you have
available, but it doesn't do you any good because using it would
provide you with inferior service and would actually cost more than
using the internet service that your cell phone company provides.

It's kind of like being in Los Angeles, wanting to be in Chicago,
and having an airline non-refundable, non-exchangeable airline
ticket in your hand good for a trip from New York to Chicago. Yes,
you *could* buy a ticket from LA to New York so you could use the
ticket you already have, but it would actually be cheaper and
quicker to just buy a ticket straight from LA to Chicago. (Plus
this would waste less airplane fuel.)

- Logan

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Tony Clark wrote:

> "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:Kjctc.6249$lY2.2910@fe1.texas.rr.com...

>>Actually, it's all about costs and engineering. Yes, in theory the
>>cell phone company could let you dial up Earthlink from your cell phone
>>via normal telephone call, and thereby use them as your ISP. In fact,
>>people used to do this before cell phone companies provided data access.
>>But cell phone line quality is lower than regular line quality, generally,
>>so speeds were limited to something like 10% or 20% of what you'd normally
>>see on a modem.

> Does the phrase "baffle 'em with bullshit" ring a bell?

Well, I thought about throwing in an explanation of the difference
between packet-switched and circuit-switched networks[1], but I
decided against it...

- Logan

[1] which actually *is* relevant!

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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Tony Clark wrote:
>
> > "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:Kjctc.6249$lY2.2910@fe1.texas.rr.com...
>
> >>Actually, it's all about costs and engineering. Yes, in theory the
> >>cell phone company could let you dial up Earthlink from your cell phone
> >>via normal telephone call, and thereby use them as your ISP. In fact,
> >>people used to do this before cell phone companies provided data access.
> >>But cell phone line quality is lower than regular line quality,
generally,
> >>so speeds were limited to something like 10% or 20% of what you'd
normally
> >>see on a modem.
>
> > Does the phrase "baffle 'em with bullshit" ring a bell?
>
> Well, I thought about throwing in an explanation of the difference
> between packet-switched and circuit-switched networks[1], but I
> decided against it...
>
> - Logan
>
> [1] which actually *is* relevant!

I asked for the remedial version and I truly appreciate the self restraint
used to avoid the technical explanation.

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Sincerely,
Joanne

If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!

Play - http://www.jobird.com
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"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
news:0Eetc.1865$mQ4.957@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> Tony Clark wrote:
>
> > "Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
> > news:Kjctc.6249$lY2.2910@fe1.texas.rr.com...
>
> >>Actually, it's all about costs and engineering. Yes, in theory the
> >>cell phone company could let you dial up Earthlink from your cell phone
> >>via normal telephone call, and thereby use them as your ISP. In fact,
> >>people used to do this before cell phone companies provided data access.
> >>But cell phone line quality is lower than regular line quality,
generally,
> >>so speeds were limited to something like 10% or 20% of what you'd
normally
> >>see on a modem.
>
> > Does the phrase "baffle 'em with bullshit" ring a bell?
>
> Well, I thought about throwing in an explanation of the difference
> between packet-switched and circuit-switched networks[1], but I
> decided against it...
>
> - Logan
>
> [1] which actually *is* relevant!

Exactly. Take a look at this page for data rates on cellular networks.

http://www.rfcafe.com/references/e [...] _rates.htm

As you can see you can achieve data rates in excess of 2X land-line V90
modems.

Also, there are cellular companies that allow you to connect to your ISP
using your cell phone as a modem. It's not that your cell phone is really a
modem, in the strict sense of the word, but rather that the provider
supports this connection with additional equipment in their network. I might
also add that the issue isn't phone lines. Makeing a voice call to a land
line takes the same number of phone lines as making a data call to a
land-line modem.

Lastly the costs to the consumer are often higher because they usually have
a service contract with an ISP for their home or work computers and now they
have to supplement that with a data plan on their cellular service. This can
be rather expensive. Take ATT for example. You pay a base rate for a small
amount of data transfer and then pay a per kbyte charge after that. Your
airline example doesn't hold up because in fact it may be cheaper to buy a
ticket from LA to NY than from LA to Chicago. Likewise the LA/NY flight
might be faster because it's a non-stop and the LA/Chicago may have a
layover in Denver.

TC

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"David W. Poole, Jr."
<JosephineCrapfloIsAnIrrefutableLiar.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com> wrote in
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> On Thu, 27 May 2004 05:39:53 GMT, Galley
> <Galley@Spam-Jammer.galleytech.com> was understood to have stated the
> following:
>
> >I assumed your phone had wireless Internet access. I get unlimited
access
> >through Sprint PCS Vision.
>
> I used Sprint's quick network connect with my IIIc some years ago. Do
> they have offer SMTP services now? I had two cellular connection
> configurations on the IIIc; one for QNC via Wireless, the other for
> AT&T dialup via wireless. The latter was used only when I wanted to
> export email since it was much faster to use QNC for everything else,
> but QNC didn't have SMTP.

Sprint wireless is $5 a month with the first 2 months free. I got a better
phone plan in the process so I'm paying the same for unlimited minutes after
9 and all weekends plus 500 anytime rather than 300.

The cable arrived but was incorrect so I had to have customer service send
the correct one and return the wrong one. The correct one is $30 less than
the wrong one, so I'm happy about that too.

I'll be getting back here to let you know that all is well, or what to do
next. You all have been very helpful.

I still want to understand how to set up Bluetooth. But that's not till I
get this puzzle working.

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Sincerely,
Joanne

If it's right for you, then it's right, . . . . . for you!!!

Play - http://www.jobird.com
Pay for Play - http://www.jobird.com/refund.htm
Looking for Love? - http://www.jobird.com/hearts.htm

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On Sun, 30 May 2004 23:10:26 GMT, BenOne?? wrote:
> Joanne wrote:

>> The cable arrived but was incorrect so I had to have customer service send
>> the correct one and return the wrong one. The correct one is $30 less than
>> the wrong one, so I'm happy about that too.
>>
>> I'll be getting back here to let you know that all is well, or what to do
>> next. You all have been very helpful.
>>
>> I still want to understand how to set up Bluetooth. But that's not till I
>> get this puzzle working.

> Joanne,

> You don't need a wire if you have bluetooth on both Palm and phone. Do you?

Since she's on Sprint, it is highly unlikely that she's got a phone
with Bluetooth. The Sony Ericsson T608 is the only phone BT phone
that works on Sprint's CDMA network, and they are pretty rare (their
stores and website never carried them).

-alan

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"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
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Joanne wrote:


> I don't think so. It's not one of those listed on the T3 setup. It is a
> Sanyo SCP 4500.

Then you don't need to worry about bluetooth at all.


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limit.