help with multiple input devices

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I have asked this on the Cubase group as well but I know that many of you
have experience with this so I thought I would throw it out there.

Is it possible to use the 8 inputs on a Delta 1010 and the 2 inputs on a USB
Audiophile to record to 10 discreet tracks in Cubase, simultaneously? Both
of these devices have ASIO 2 drivers, and the PC hardware is top of the line
(almost) as far as memory, processing, disks, etc., running a dedicated,
clean install of XP Pro.

We would be using the Insert jacks on the 10 channels as direct out's from
our Mackie board into the 10 inputs (8 and 2) on the two sound cards.

I know that Device Manager in Cubase lets you see multiple devices, I have
just never tried recording on multiple devices at the same time. In my head
the only thing I can think of that would cause problems is synchronization
between the two sound cards? There's got to be a way to do it because
M-Audio supports up to 4 Delta 1010's in one PC. I called them but the tech
support guy didn't seem to know much abou tit.

Also, any advice, tips, etc. from anyone's practical experience at
multi-tracking like this would be great.

-Ben

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Ben Hanson wrote:
>
> Is it possible to use the 8 inputs on a Delta 1010 and the 2 inputs on a USB
> Audiophile to record to 10 discreet tracks in Cubase, simultaneously?

Try it.

>
> I have just never tried recording on multiple devices at the same time.

Well, how about actually trying it...?

>In my head the only thing I can think of that would cause problems is synchronization
> between the two sound cards?

From your description, you aren't making a recording in your
head. How about actually setting up your theory and
attempting to get some practical results? If it doesn't
work, then you have an issue to describe to others - such as
tech support people - who know absolutely nothing about what
is in your head (or in your computer/workstation).

> Also, any advice, tips, etc. from anyone's practical experience

Why not create your own practical experience?

In the time spent to theorize about it, write up a question
to a newsgroup, and wait for some answers, you could have
set it up and TRIED it.

Making music is a lot like making love. Would you post a
question to a newsgroup about whether or not your theory of
lovemaking would work, or would you just slam a willing
somebody down on a bed and TRY it?

Spend your time wisely...



TM

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Hey Arny, thanks for the response. Does the Delta 66 have digital in/out
using BNC or RCA jacks? The Audiophile USB uses RCA jacks but the Delta 1010
uses BNC connectors so I guess I will need a special cable to connect them.

Regarding the MME vs. ASIO drivers, I have heard that you cannot use
multiple input devices with the ASIO drivers anyways, you have to use the
MME drivers for multiple input devices. Do you use the Full Duplex drivers?
Do you have any latency issues with multiple devices not using the ASIO
drivers?

About the cables you made. I just have 10 standard 1/4 TRS cables. I was
just going to plug them in to the first click at the Insert jacks and the
Delta inputs. This should work too right?

-Ben

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Ben Hanson" <transparency_76@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I have asked this on the Cubase group as well but I know that many of
> > you have experience with this so I thought I would throw it out there.
> >
> > Is it possible to use the 8 inputs on a Delta 1010 and the 2 inputs
> > on a USB Audiophile to record to 10 discreet tracks in Cubase,
> > simultaneously? Both of these devices have ASIO 2 drivers, and the PC
> > hardware is top of the line (almost) as far as memory, processing,
> > disks, etc., running a dedicated, clean install of XP Pro.
> >
> > We would be using the Insert jacks on the 10 channels as direct out's
> > from our Mackie board into the 10 inputs (8 and 2) on the two sound
> > cards.
>
> That works. I made up some cables that solder together the tip and ring
> connectors of the TRS I plug into the console insert jack. The ring of the
> TRS I plug into the console insert jack is connected to the tip of the TRS
I
> plug into the 1010 input jack. The wire from the ring of the TRS I plug
> into the 1010 input, is connected to the sleeve of the TRS I plug into the
> console insert jack.
>
> > I know that Device Manager in Cubase lets you see multiple devices, I
> > have just never tried recording on multiple devices at the same time.
> > In my head the only thing I can think of that would cause problems is
> > synchronization between the two sound cards? There's got to be a way
> > to do it because M-Audio supports up to 4 Delta 1010's in one PC. I
> > called them but the tech support guy didn't seem to know much abou
> > tit.
>
> I currently record 12 tracks from a Delta 1010 and a Delta 66 concurrently
> using Adobe Audition, which only supports MME, not ASIO. So my experience
is
> relevant, but not exactlty like yours.
>
> You are wise to worry about synchronization, because it is an issue that
> needs to be managed. But, its not usually a problem as long as you have
some
> SP/DIF I/O ports to sacrifice. What I do is plug the SPDIF output of the
> 1010 into the SPDIF input of the 66 and set the 66 to synch off of its
SPDIF
> input, in the Delta 66 control panel.
>
>

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Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Ben Hanson" <transparency_76@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:419b9dd3$1@mustang.speedfactory.net
>
>>Hey Arny, thanks for the response. Does the Delta 66 have digital
>>in/out using BNC or RCA jacks?
>
> RCA
>
>>The Audiophile USB uses RCA jacks but
>>the Delta 1010 uses BNC connectors so I guess I will need a special
>>cable to connect them.
>
> Not really, Radio Shack has a BNC/RCA adaptor.

The RCA jack is for S/PDIF, the BNC is for word clock. I don't think you
can plug them into each other and obtain sync, can you? I guess I have
never tried it, but I've never heard of that being the case.

--
Eric

www.Raw-Tracks.com

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You mean a cable with a 1/4 TRS on one end splitting out to two 1/4 ends,
one carrying the tip and one the ring, right? I do have some of those, as I
currently use them to hook up compressor's on the vocalists' channels on the
Mackie to the Insert jacks. It's jsut that with the feed to the 1010, I
wasn't really concerned with having it loop back to the board at all, just
to the 1010 input.

-Ben

"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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> "Ben Hanson" <transparency_76@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Hey Arny, thanks for the response. Does the Delta 66 have digital
> > in/out using BNC or RCA jacks?
>
> RCA
>
> > The Audiophile USB uses RCA jacks but
> > the Delta 1010 uses BNC connectors so I guess I will need a special
> > cable to connect them.
>
> Not really, Radio Shack has a BNC/RCA adaptor.
>
> > Regarding the MME vs. ASIO drivers, I have heard that you cannot use
> > multiple input devices with the ASIO drivers anyways, you have to use
> > the MME drivers for multiple input devices.
>
> I can't comment one way or the other.
>
> > Do you use the Full Duplex drivers?
>
> Yes.
>
> >Do you have any latency issues with multiple devices not using the ASIO
> >drivers?
>
> No.
>
> > About the cables you made. I just have 10 standard 1/4 TRS cables. I
> > was just going to plug them in to the first click at the Insert jacks
> > and the Delta inputs. This should work too right?
>
> It works but its not what I'd call a stable, bulletproof solution.
>
> A commercially-availble solution is composed of a standard insert cable
> plugged into a TS wye.
>
>

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"Ben Hanson" <transparency_76@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You mean a cable with a 1/4 TRS on one end splitting out to two 1/4
> ends, one carrying the tip and one the ring, right?

Yes. Just plug both ends into a 1/4" "Y" adaptor.

>I do have some of
> those, as I currently use them to hook up compressor's on the
> vocalists' channels on the Mackie to the Insert jacks. It's jsut that
> with the feed to the 1010, I wasn't really concerned with having it
> loop back to the board at all, just to the 1010 input.

Then you don't need to partially seat the plug in the console insert jacks.
You can seat it all the way.